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Corleone · 05-02-2004, 08:00 AM

50 ppl saying us is not the no1 hehe

ControlThy · 05-02-2004, 08:02 AM

BigFish,

Can you please tell me who make it possible for the US to lend as much as they do? (and don't answer 'the banks'

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BigFish · 05-02-2004, 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Webby
BigFish:

The "objective fact" is the US is owned to a large degree by other nations and is indebted to them to the tune of $44,200 billion - or was up to last year and is definately much more now. The equation was that this amounted to 94% of all US homes and assets within them. By now, I'd reckon every homeowner in the US is technically bankrupt to the outide world.

On the companies you mention - they are not "US owned" - what gives you that idea?? Some were originated in the US. VISA is not a US owned entity - it is owned by the 6 or 8 global banking regions. Paypal is "owned" by their bankers - and who are they?? Guess!! Who is going to "own" the largest segment of Google?? Guess!!

That's your obective fact? You're saying if the U.S. defaults on the debt, then the other countries will just take over the U.S.?? Are you kidding? On the other companies, THEY ARE U.S. owned. You need to differentiate between DEBT, CAPITAL, and EQUITY. And what do you mean some originated in the U.S. All of them orginated here kid.

{fusion} · 05-02-2004, 08:07 AM

you guys just have loads of cash and know how to outsource

Webby · 05-02-2004, 08:19 AM

ControlThy:

Quote:

Can you please tell me who make it possible for the US to lend as much as they do?

Na!! Don't EVEN THINK OF GOING THERE!!!

If you are talking about "US Aid" - almost all Western countries give more aid as a % GDP than the US. The other strange thing is .. this "aid" is always tied to some deal :-)

An example.. 100 million to Zambia as "aid" - in comes a deal on condition of the aid which means "We give you $100 million in aid and you give us $200 million in diamonds" (or whatever). I'd be please to give aid all day long on those terms

The other irony is... who damned financed the aid in the first place - cos the US ain't got any "real" money? Guess!!

Nice one was the "aid to Israel... to "support an ally". Pull that aid contract out and it says "We will give you $X billion aid and in turn you will give us a nice contract worth $X billion for us to supply you will gunships and arms" Pathetic hyprocracy from a load of arms dealers purporting to be a nation of the "righteous"

Sadly.. that supposed "on-the-side-of-God" benevolent aid bullshit is a misused term for "greedy consuming assholes" :-)

BigFish · 05-02-2004, 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ControlThy
BigFish,

Can you please tell me who make it possible for the US to lend as much as they do? (and don't answer 'the banks' )

What do you mean don't answer banks? You think everyone stuffs money under their mattresses or something?

Donny · 05-02-2004, 08:35 AM

I wish to God I could get my ex-wife to let me take my son to another country, away from the pressures that exist in this one. I love this country. But when you have a child and love that child, this country becomes a very scary place. I'd rather see my son live a nice, tranquil life as a postman in a country with no enemies, than to live the life of a billionaire in this country. We have been creating more enemies every single day.

I will stand behind my President, no matter who he is, even if I disagree with his policies. That is the right thing to do in a Democracy. Once you make a decision (selection, some say), you need to stand behind your decision. It's almost time to make a decision again about who will lead. I'll make my vote, then stand behind the decision made by the country.

BUT: the rights that are being taken from me on an almost daily basis, along with the enemies my government is making, scare the shit out of me for my son's sake.

Webby · 05-02-2004, 08:37 AM

BIgFish:

Quote:

You're saying if the U.S. defaults on the debt, then the other countries will just take over the U.S.??

DUH?? Who said anything about the US defaulting on it's debts?? Or "other countries will just take over the US"?? They don't want to take over the US - they want paid.

If that happens, the US will be supported further - it's what happens to corps that get in the shit.

The only difference is.. and that's happening now - the lenders are becoming "wary" and want more "precise" figures - like... simple facts.

Never get this silly idea that any country is infallible - that includes the US. The fact that others have been invited to be shareholders means they want dividends in return - so keep working hard!

OK.. I've done a number of predictions over the last few years on GFY - even when I got flamed for saying so :-) BUT- they have all come to pass. Here is one - within the next one to two decades (unless there is some "miracle"!) - the US $ will be worth half of it's current value, or less and the ripple effect will be substantial. The US economy will be "nothing" on even it's current low level and, in effect, be a "service economy". I'd reserve that job at McDonald's while you can :-)

That's me finished talking shit! I'm off!!

Webby · 05-02-2004, 08:58 AM

DonovanPhillips:

Quote:

I wish to God I could get my ex-wife to let me take my son to another country, away from the pressures that exist in this one. I love this country. But when you have a child and love that child, this country becomes a very scary place. I'd rather see my son live a nice, tranquil life as a postman in a country with no enemies, than to live the life of a billionaire in this country. We have been creating more enemies every single day.

Hell.. I can hear ya loud and clear and understand where you are coming from!

I don't live in the US now, but my experiences were not bad at that time tho I was shown some "not so good stuff" by .. "government officers" who ... I can remember the words *exactly* today from one of them. "I don't think any human being was mean't to witness this". But otherwise I liked the place.

Bottom line??? It's ALL about lifestyle and what "you" want!! :-) Some places are so far apart from "civilized societies" it is hard to believe they still exist.

We are based in one at the moment - and have to say the people are "genuinely" friendly and even the cops are friends who will get their jackets off to help. The whole aura is nothing like the US - it's the other extreme. There are actually more teachers than cops - it's just "different" and much more laid back.

I bought a lump of land here - we can see LOADS of wildlife - three types of monkeys, parrots, tucans and lots of other stuff. Right now - it's time to go on the horse along a totally deserted beach with palms along the shoreline - just a great place for kids!! :-) I wish to hell I'd made a move years ago! *lol* Ya have one life and every year/day matters :-)

It's also "excellent" for any webmaster!! Ya gotta do some persuading with your ex!!

Webby · 05-02-2004, 09:08 AM

Other bit Donovan is that you meet far more interesting people!:-)

They have often already "achieved" elsewhere and "escaped" - a few are "webmasters". one is a heart surgeon who invented some valve, another is a hahahahahar, another a movie producer. There is a "trio" who make a load of these TV ad's that get awards - they ship out to New York/London, shoot the ads and escape back to "paradise" :-) One is a war photographer - he is currently raking over the rubble in Falujah :-) It hits you in the face that this lot is "different" and they all have a story to tell :-)

It kinda makes it "interesting" in the bar!!

jimmyf · 05-02-2004, 09:21 AM

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Originally posted by BigFish
Quit arguing "subjective" points and talk about "objective" facts. You always go on and on like a little housewife about points that can be argued EITHER way for years and years. Money makes the world go round. Whoever has the most money is always number one, period. With a little more than 3% of the world population, the U.S. makes up for more than 50% of the world income. United States breeds entrepreneurship. It is shown by your dependence and continued dependence on United States companies. Let me remind you again!!!

GFY - American
Google - American
Yahoo - American
Visa - American
Mastercard - American
Paypal - American

BTW, is your processor Intel or AMD? If it's an Apple computer, then that's ok too since they're all AMERICAN.

but true

Roger · 05-02-2004, 09:27 AM

There are many different factors. Sure hard work is among them but it's not one of the most important things.

1) They're not shy about spending money to attract successfull foreigners to the US.
2) They get cheap labor from Mexico.
3) They have good business and marketing skills.
4) They need to work hard in order to be able to survive unlike around here where you get important things for free.
5) Unlike many other countries, until recently they didn't feel threatened by buying cheap products from other countries, outsourcing and so on. If they now feel threatened and change there policy on the economy, it won't be good for the US.
6) A strong dollar brings lots of development and research.

In short when it comes to businesses, they have a whole lotta less restrictions than other western countries and they won't penalise you for making more money. Now that's what's most important. If they change to change course and go with conservatism instead like other countries, it'll be a disaster for the US. Being scared won't get you far.

Raf1 · 05-02-2004, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Webby
The US does spend .30 cents on the tax dollar in equipping itself with defenses that no country even can be bothered doing. Example - a load of metal that flies to allegedly oppose some "foe" who has another "state of the art" aircraft like this. The trouble is, no nation has this type of weapon - so what's the point?

The US people work harder and longer hours than any other western nation. I suppose they must to support the "defense expenditure" :-)

The US is also an extemely immature country. Actions of all kinds are started and no thought to the implications thereafter. The current Iraqi "war" is a typical example. "Where do you want to go today? Iraq? OK.. let's roll!" Then a declaration "OK.. we've done that - what's next?" This happens, not just related to "wars", but in many facets of decision making.

The US is also governed on the basis of "fear" - it has been like this with "demons" for decades. Tell the masses someone is an "enemy", pump up the "anti" up and people believe it. "Unpatriotic" is the allegation if they don't. (Simple example is "Freedom Fries" over that other enemy, the French *lol*) I've heard, "My country right or wrong" - I've never ever heard such a load of crap from anyone in any other nation. It's the doctrine that usually only comes from "real terrorists" and fanatics.

The purpose of the fear factor is "meaningful" in that it justifies a lot when the occasion arises and on the economic front is useful, since stuff like "wars" are good for a failing economy. In fact Brown Brothers/Bush family have known for decades "war business is good business" - they even helped "tool up" the Third Reich for the "war business".

Further examples of the immaturity or adolescent behavior is in "foreign policy". A fair number of other nations have screwed up with relationships - but none have managed to achieve the rate of the US. On Monday, X is an "ally" - by Thursday, X is the devil incarnate and on some "terrorist list" or due for "sanctions". That conduct gives the word "fickle" a bad name :-)

There is also a serious "communication" problem with the US and .. almost nada comprehension of *any* other nation. I've seen this *so* often while in the US - there is *no clue* about anything outside the state some people live in - nevermind knowing about any country - or even where it is.

Time will tell, but I have this nasty feeling there is a watershed being reached over the US and several other nations have started subtle "adjustments" already - clearly with the intention of "hand washing" and knowing there will be yet another "problem" in future with the adolescent kid on the block.

Finally *g*... There is another "problem" from the silly behavior in that the US as now created far more "real enemies" than ever existed before. There is a price for this and hell knows what path that may lead.

Otherwise... I kinda like the place!!! But I sure will avoid even "on route" flights there till there is some sense.

well written post

Kard63 · 05-02-2004, 10:41 AM

The US is in a transition..... WW2 generation fucked their kids up, in turn their kids are even more fucked up. We've kinda given up on hard work. Besides free trade agreements and pollution concerns has eliminated a lo of 'hard' jobs in our country. We were propelled to the forefront by hard work. We blew the rest of the world outta the water by cashing in on WW2. We are gonna be fucked within 60 years. I'll move. Gonna move soon if more of my civil liberties get violated.

EDIT: and yes we are immature and yes we feel we are better than everyone. Most of the time we are right... maybe not always.

polish_aristocrat · 05-02-2004, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
In Italy it's 41 days of vacation, that's over 2 MONTHS

1 month = 30 days
2 months = 60 days ;)

cayne · 05-02-2004, 01:22 PM

bump.

@ polish

jayeff · 05-02-2004, 01:48 PM

The US is certainly #1 in many respects, but by no means all. Regardless, I don't recognize the stereotypes that the guy who started this thread wrote about.

The main reason the US is wealthy (and most of its other claims to fame stem from that wealth) is simply that is a relatively young nation. The land and other natural resources produced riches there has not yet been time to dissipate. The impact has been all the greater because the rise of the US coincided with the decline of many other countries. And of course that wealth is still sloshing around now, so no-one needs to be a historian to be aware of it.

But inevitably the pendulum keeps swinging. Japanese companies now own around one-third of the big farming operations in the mid-West. A lot of prime real estate, especially in city areas such as Manhattan is foreign-owned. Billions of dollars of stocks belong to overseas owners. That apart, some of the biggest media corporations are Japanese, German and Australian. Only 24 of the top 50 manufacturing companies are US based. Perhaps most seriously, some analysts argue that the US banking system is technically bankrupt.

For all its success and glitter, the US is badly flawed. It has among the poorest healthcare and education systems of any first-world country. The equivalent of a large town lives homeless in its capital city alone. Crime is high. The roads are dangerous. The environment is increasingly polluted. And for reasons I wish I had the time and knowledge to research, the US at least seems to produce more crazies, especially dangerous crazies, than any other nation.

Someone wrote in a thread here a few days ago, something along the lines that Americans are not stupid, but they don't like to think too much. Perhaps rather than learning from the past, that is why the US is following the exact same path as every other formerly great nation: one that leads ultimately to decline.

ldinternet · 07-08-2004, 06:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
Look up the average amount of vacation time the average adult takes a year around the world. In Italy it's 41 days of vacation, that's over 2 MONTHS

yeah, riiiiiiiiight.

Jonathan Quarkschowski · 07-08-2004, 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM
The U.S. is seriously fucked.

I could go on for hours about why I truly believe this but I only have one day left before I need to return to that shallow shell of a country and I want to enjoy the rest of my time away as much as possible.

The U.S. is only number 1 to those who are too blind to see the full picture.

Very much appreciated, thank you.

Jakke PNG · 07-08-2004, 06:39 AM

What drugs are you people on?

karlm · 07-08-2004, 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Corleone

proof that you dont have to be fat to be succesful

lol. But he has 1000,s of employees working for him.

Jakke PNG · 07-08-2004, 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BigFish
Things an Anti-U.S. GFY poster depends on daily:

GFY - American
Google - American
Yahoo - American
Visa - American
Mastercard - American
Paypal - American

If America's culture and way of life is so bad, why hasn't anybody in your country come up with something that I need on a daily basis?

Woah you found big US companies.
Every fucking country has worthwhile companies if you're bothered to list them.

beergood · 07-08-2004, 06:42 AM

The US is number 1 because of what Sam Kinison said:

We have the food, we have the army. You have to be nice to us becuase if you don't then we'll make you go hungry and then kick your fucking ass.

jimmyf · 07-08-2004, 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Corleone

proof that you dont have to be fat to be succesful

he's fat now

patriot · 07-08-2004, 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
It's fact that US is the biggest world power.
You may prefer the life in Italy, Netherlands or Costa Rica but US rules the world.
Some ppl like it, some don' but what i stated before is rather true.

What a load of bollocks, America rules 'fuck all', just another indication of how fucked up the Americans are, LOL you really believe that shit don't you, America - only $658,000,000,000 in debt... the richest nation

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Keep believing ... and Santa, Easter bunny, Spiderman .....

scoreman · 07-08-2004, 07:10 AM

40 days of vacation does equal two months. Saturdays and Sundays are not computed in counting what is a vacation day.

There have been alot of good points brought up as to the problems in the US domestic and foreign policy. No country that has the standing in the world the US has gets to this level without problems. Despite this, the shining moments far outweigh the tarnished ones, and if you were creating a list of all the ways the USA has helped the world versus hurt the world, it would be a lopsided list indeed. People talk of problems like Iraq and use it as a source to hate my country, but let there be a crisis, like a fascist invasion of a peaceful neighbor, or devastating natural or man made disaster... and you can bet the house that either the USA govt or a USA based aid organization will be there with their hand out. Its gotten to the point that people take it for granted.

I love this country and I am proud to call it my home. All you USA haters can kiss my ass.

jimmyf · 07-08-2004, 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BigFish
You're citing TGPs as an example. LOL. Ok!!!

that's what I thought

Jakke PNG · 07-08-2004, 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by scoreman

I love this country and am proud to call it my home. All you USA haters can kiss my ass.

For your information everyone loves their own nation the most. There's absolutely no way in hell you can convince us otherwise. You tend to think that everyone who thinks their country is the best is a USA hater. You seriously need to pull your head away from your asses and realize there's things outside your borders, and people who don't give a flying fuck about you.

The USA population seems to think that they are superior in every way and are priviledged to live in such a wonderful country, when the fact is almost all western countries are just as 'free' and 'wonderful'. It wouldn't bother me the slightltest but you have some obsessions on bashing people who think differently and trying to convince everyone on how superior you guys are.. do you REALLY think that will actually make you look better on the worlds eyes?

Now.. carry on. I'm just disgusted by topics like this...and the people posting garbage in these.

ps. lol scoreman, this rambling wasn't personally addressed to you.

bluff · 07-08-2004, 07:17 AM

China will soon take the leading spot

jimmyf · 07-08-2004, 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BigFish
You're right. It does. Google Founders: Two graduate STUDENTS from Standford University.

I thought all american's were big and fat?

Corleone · 07-08-2004, 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jimmyf
I thought all american's were big and fat?

they're russians

ok only one of them ;) say hello to sergej

jimmyf · 07-08-2004, 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TeenGodFather
Woah you found big US companies.
Every fucking country has worthwhile companies if you're bothered to list them.

they don't count though,

in this tread.

ldinternet · 07-08-2004, 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by scoreman
40 days of vacation does equal two months.

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
41 days of vacation, that's over 2 MONTHS

Mike AI · 07-08-2004, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
It is often hard to understand for people outside the US, but following this board closely gives you a good picture of that.
In the US people are very competive and they work hard.
In rest of the world, people don't like taking risk, they want safety most of all and prefer to have more spare time rather than making more money.
Furthermore, in the US, someone who is succesfull is admired by other people. They work hard and want to achieved what he had achieved.
In the rest of the world, people who are succesfull are often perceived as thiefes and in some countries you even feel guilty if you make lots of money.

Just an observation - these are good known facts but this board proves them.

These are good observations. US's free market economy allows anyone to possibly be the next Bill Gates. In Europe, there is still a class system - unless you are born into money, its difficult to attain - and if you do attain they will tax most of it away from you. So there is not much motivation to go beyond normal work.

Paul · 07-08-2004, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Webby
The US does spend .30 cents on the tax dollar in equipping itself with defenses that no country even can be bothered doing. Example - a load of metal that flies to allegedly oppose some "foe" who has another "state of the art" aircraft like this. The trouble is, no nation has this type of weapon - so what's the point?

The US people work harder and longer hours than any other western nation. I suppose they must to support the "defense expenditure" :-)

The US is also an extemely immature country. Actions of all kinds are started and no thought to the implications thereafter. The current Iraqi "war" is a typical example. "Where do you want to go today? Iraq? OK.. let's roll!" Then a declaration "OK.. we've done that - what's next?" This happens, not just related to "wars", but in many facets of decision making.

The US is also governed on the basis of "fear" - it has been like this with "demons" for decades. Tell the masses someone is an "enemy", pump up the "anti" up and people believe it. "Unpatriotic" is the allegation if they don't. (Simple example is "Freedom Fries" over that other enemy, the French *lol*) I've heard, "My country right or wrong" - I've never ever heard such a load of crap from anyone in any other nation. It's the doctrine that usually only comes from "real terrorists" and fanatics.

The purpose of the fear factor is "meaningful" in that it justifies a lot when the occasion arises and on the economic front is useful, since stuff like "wars" are good for a failing economy. In fact Brown Brothers/Bush family have known for decades "war business is good business" - they even helped "tool up" the Third Reich for the "war business".

Further examples of the immaturity or adolescent behavior is in "foreign policy". A fair number of other nations have screwed up with relationships - but none have managed to achieve the rate of the US. On Monday, X is an "ally" - by Thursday, X is the devil incarnate and on some "terrorist list" or due for "sanctions". That conduct gives the word "fickle" a bad name :-)

There is also a serious "communication" problem with the US and .. almost nada comprehension of *any* other nation. I've seen this *so* often while in the US - there is *no clue* about anything outside the state some people live in - nevermind knowing about any country - or even where it is.

Time will tell, but I have this nasty feeling there is a watershed being reached over the US and several other nations have started subtle "adjustments" already - clearly with the intention of "hand washing" and knowing there will be yet another "problem" in future with the adolescent kid on the block.

Finally *g*... There is another "problem" from the silly behavior in that the US as now created far more "real enemies" than ever existed before. There is a price for this and hell knows what path that may lead.

Otherwise... I kinda like the place!!! But I sure will avoid even "on route" flights there till there is some sense.

Very nice post

Btw Webby whats your ICQ number ?

haha this thread was started about 4 months ago !

M_M · 07-08-2004, 10:44 AM

If American were hard workers, they wouldn't let illegal immigrants work here

AVM · 07-08-2004, 11:10 AM

polish_aristocrat speaks the truth!

Good job, chief.

As for all the "obese" "Americans don't work hard, they're fat" comments. Well guess what, you're completely right. We don't work hard, we work smart. Since when does a business owner, or someone self employed (for that matter) have to endure the vigors of hard labor? People often have this misconception as if you need to throw bricks around, in the hot sun, for it to be a "real job". A real job, makes real money. Regardless of what it requires.

Rich · 07-08-2004, 11:30 AM

The people who agree with that load of BS are the same people who believe that terrorists hate you because of your "freedom".

Rochard · 07-08-2004, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Webby
benc:

Why are some folks so damned embarrasing and ignorant?? God help me!!

Life in Europe may be "cool" eh? :-)

A simple lesson... Europe has no interest in the silly kid behavior of the US and is well-able to handle it's own issues - and in a much more mature manner.

Also.. it may come as a surprise, but neither Europe or the majority of the rest of the world is going to be thankful for the US "getting it's hands dirty". The general attitude is "Why the fuck can you not mind your own business and stay the fuck at home" :-)

Having said that - there have been odd occasions where some US support has been appreciated :-)

Great point. We should have stayed home in the 1940's. I have no problem with all of Europe speaking German.

Corleone · 07-08-2004, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RocHard
Great point. We should have stayed home in the 1940's. I have no problem with all of Europe speaking German.

Himmel, Arsch und Zwirn!

Matt 26z · 07-08-2004, 12:46 PM

Let's ask the non-American webmasters here where their internet businesses would be if access to their sites were limited to only their own country.

Most of you would be out of business overnight if you couldn't sell products and services worldwide.

Jakke PNG · 07-08-2004, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Matt 26z
Let's ask the non-American webmasters here where their internet businesses would be if access to their sites were limited to only their own country.

Most of you would be out of business overnight if you couldn't sell products and services worldwide.

so? Notice the magic word? "Worldwide"
USA is one country. I wouldn't be out of business if USA closed it's borders.

Matt 26z · 07-08-2004, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TeenGodFather
I wouldn't be out of business if USA closed it's borders.

That's not the point. I said EVERY country but your own.

Your location says Finland. Could you stay in business online at the level you are now if you were limited to selling ONLY to other people in Finland? I think not.

Jakke PNG · 07-08-2004, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Matt 26z
That's not the point. I said EVERY country but your own.

Your location says Finland. Could you stay in business online at the level you are now if you were limited to selling ONLY to other people in Finland? I think not.

Why not? I'd adjust.

Paul · 07-08-2004, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Matt 26z
That's not the point. I said EVERY country but your own.

Your location says Finland. Could you stay in business online at the level you are now if you were limited to selling ONLY to other people in Finland? I think not.

Of coarse he could, anyone could adjust if they wanted to. Matt you have a real ignorant attitude

jayeff · 07-08-2004, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mike AI
US's free market economy allows anyone to possibly be the next Bill Gates. In Europe, there is still a class system - unless you are born into money, its difficult to attain - and if you do attain they will tax most of it away from you. So there is not much motivation to go beyond normal work.

And myths are not as prevalent in Europe either.

Sorry. Couldn't resist. Your statement would have been true in the 50's and 60's. But since then things have changed and over the past 20 years in the US, you have been 3-4 times more likely to slip down the economic ladder than to climb up it (ie to move from one distinct economic group to another). And while it is still very possible for people to better themselves within a single economic group, fewer than 1% who start out as middle class ever make it up to the group above.

The separation of rich and poor in the US has passed most of Europe and the gap is still widening.

Webby · 07-08-2004, 01:43 PM

This old thread still alive???

OK... Might as well answer the crap :-)

RocHard:

Quote:

Great point. We should have stayed home in the 1940's. I have no problem with all of Europe speaking German.

Tho it took long enough for the US to actually get engaged in WW2 - like Pearl Harbor and Hitler's plans for world domination - those already fighting appreciated US involvement.

The point is, the US has fucked in other people's business since it's founding, with something like 240 "invasions" to "free the world" or some other bullshit. Of these, it is doubious 20-40 were actually valid in any way.

From the quote, it seems some don't recognize a "real war" from the many phony one's

BTW Iraq is not on that list of "real wars" - that just upped the invasion count to about 241 ...

johnbosh · 07-08-2004, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Evelyn
HAHAHAHA!

We're fat cause we sit at our desks all day ordering take out!!

hahaha so true

Basic_man · 07-08-2004, 01:46 PM

I think you are right mate!

05-02-2004, 09:08 AM	#61
Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	Other bit Donovan is that you meet far more interesting people!:-) They have often already "achieved" elsewhere and "escaped" - a few are "webmasters". one is a heart surgeon who invented some valve, another is a hahahahahar, another a movie producer. There is a "trio" who make a load of these TV ad's that get awards - they ship out to New York/London, shoot the ads and escape back to "paradise" :-) One is a war photographer - he is currently raking over the rubble in Falujah :-) It hits you in the face that this lot is "different" and they all have a story to tell :-) It kinda makes it "interesting" in the bar!! Last edited by Webby; 05-02-2004 at 09:10 AM..

05-02-2004, 10:41 AM	#65
Kard63 Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 237 619 975 Posts: 8,944	The US is in a transition..... WW2 generation fucked their kids up, in turn their kids are even more fucked up. We've kinda given up on hard work. Besides free trade agreements and pollution concerns has eliminated a lo of 'hard' jobs in our country. We were propelled to the forefront by hard work. We blew the rest of the world outta the water by cashing in on WW2. We are gonna be fucked within 60 years. I'll move. Gonna move soon if more of my civil liberties get violated. EDIT: and yes we are immature and yes we feel we are better than everyone. Most of the time we are right... maybe not always. __________________ Last edited by Kard63; 05-02-2004 at 10:43 AM..

05-02-2004, 01:22 PM	#67
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07-08-2004, 06:39 AM	#71
Jakke PNG ex-TeenGodFather Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Suomi Finland Perkele Posts: 20,306	What drugs are you people on? __________________ ..and I'm off.

07-08-2004, 07:10 AM	#77
scoreman Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,491	40 days of vacation does equal two months. Saturdays and Sundays are not computed in counting what is a vacation day. There have been alot of good points brought up as to the problems in the US domestic and foreign policy. No country that has the standing in the world the US has gets to this level without problems. Despite this, the shining moments far outweigh the tarnished ones, and if you were creating a list of all the ways the USA has helped the world versus hurt the world, it would be a lopsided list indeed. People talk of problems like Iraq and use it as a source to hate my country, but let there be a crisis, like a fascist invasion of a peaceful neighbor, or devastating natural or man made disaster... and you can bet the house that either the USA govt or a USA based aid organization will be there with their hand out. Its gotten to the point that people take it for granted. I love this country and I am proud to call it my home. All you USA haters can kiss my ass. __________________ Last edited by scoreman; 07-08-2004 at 07:14 AM..

05-02-2004, 08:00 AM	#51
Corleone C.R.E.A.M Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 15,262	50 ppl saying us is not the no1 hehe

05-02-2004, 08:02 AM	#52
ControlThy Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,909	BigFish, Can you please tell me who make it possible for the US to lend as much as they do? (and don't answer 'the banks' )

05-02-2004, 08:05 AM	#53
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05-02-2004, 08:07 AM	#55
{fusion} Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,650	you guys just have loads of cash and know how to outsource

05-02-2004, 08:35 AM	#58
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	I wish to God I could get my ex-wife to let me take my son to another country, away from the pressures that exist in this one. I love this country. But when you have a child and love that child, this country becomes a very scary place. I'd rather see my son live a nice, tranquil life as a postman in a country with no enemies, than to live the life of a billionaire in this country. We have been creating more enemies every single day. I will stand behind my President, no matter who he is, even if I disagree with his policies. That is the right thing to do in a Democracy. Once you make a decision (selection, some say), you need to stand behind your decision. It's almost time to make a decision again about who will lead. I'll make my vote, then stand behind the decision made by the country. BUT: the rights that are being taken from me on an almost daily basis, along with the enemies my government is making, scare the shit out of me for my son's sake.

05-02-2004, 09:27 AM	#63
Roger Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: MetroCity Posts: 3,181	There are many different factors. Sure hard work is among them but it's not one of the most important things. 1) They're not shy about spending money to attract successfull foreigners to the US. 2) They get cheap labor from Mexico. 3) They have good business and marketing skills. 4) They need to work hard in order to be able to survive unlike around here where you get important things for free. 5) Unlike many other countries, until recently they didn't feel threatened by buying cheap products from other countries, outsourcing and so on. If they now feel threatened and change there policy on the economy, it won't be good for the US. 6) A strong dollar brings lots of development and research. In short when it comes to businesses, they have a whole lotta less restrictions than other western countries and they won't penalise you for making more money. Now that's what's most important. If they change to change course and go with conservatism instead like other countries, it'll be a disaster for the US. Being scared won't get you far.

05-02-2004, 01:48 PM	#68
jayeff Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,944	The US is certainly #1 in many respects, but by no means all. Regardless, I don't recognize the stereotypes that the guy who started this thread wrote about. The main reason the US is wealthy (and most of its other claims to fame stem from that wealth) is simply that is a relatively young nation. The land and other natural resources produced riches there has not yet been time to dissipate. The impact has been all the greater because the rise of the US coincided with the decline of many other countries. And of course that wealth is still sloshing around now, so no-one needs to be a historian to be aware of it. But inevitably the pendulum keeps swinging. Japanese companies now own around one-third of the big farming operations in the mid-West. A lot of prime real estate, especially in city areas such as Manhattan is foreign-owned. Billions of dollars of stocks belong to overseas owners. That apart, some of the biggest media corporations are Japanese, German and Australian. Only 24 of the top 50 manufacturing companies are US based. Perhaps most seriously, some analysts argue that the US banking system is technically bankrupt. For all its success and glitter, the US is badly flawed. It has among the poorest healthcare and education systems of any first-world country. The equivalent of a large town lives homeless in its capital city alone. Crime is high. The roads are dangerous. The environment is increasingly polluted. And for reasons I wish I had the time and knowledge to research, the US at least seems to produce more crazies, especially dangerous crazies, than any other nation. Someone wrote in a thread here a few days ago, something along the lines that Americans are not stupid, but they don't like to think too much. Perhaps rather than learning from the past, that is why the US is following the exact same path as every other formerly great nation: one that leads ultimately to decline.

07-08-2004, 06:42 AM	#74
beergood Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: United States Posts: 2,918	The US is number 1 because of what Sam Kinison said: We have the food, we have the army. You have to be nice to us becuase if you don't then we'll make you go hungry and then kick your fucking ass.

07-08-2004, 07:17 AM	#80
bluff Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Bluffville Posts: 6,253	China will soon take the leading spot

07-08-2004, 10:44 AM	#87
M_M Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,167	If American were hard workers, they wouldn't let illegal immigrants work here

07-08-2004, 11:10 AM	#88
AVM Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: South Florida. Posts: 1,890	polish_aristocrat speaks the truth! Good job, chief. As for all the "obese" "Americans don't work hard, they're fat" comments. Well guess what, you're completely right. We don't work hard, we work smart. Since when does a business owner, or someone self employed (for that matter) have to endure the vigors of hard labor? People often have this misconception as if you need to throw bricks around, in the hot sun, for it to be a "real job". A real job, makes real money. Regardless of what it requires. Last edited by AVM; 07-08-2004 at 11:11 AM..

07-08-2004, 11:30 AM	#89
Rich So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,486	The people who agree with that load of BS are the same people who believe that terrorists hate you because of your "freedom".

07-08-2004, 12:46 PM	#92
Matt 26z So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: ¤ª"˜¨๑۩۞۩๑¨˜"ª¤ Posts: 18,481	Let's ask the non-American webmasters here where their internet businesses would be if access to their sites were limited to only their own country. Most of you would be out of business overnight if you couldn't sell products and services worldwide.

07-08-2004, 01:46 PM	#100
Basic_man Programming King Pin Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Montreal Posts: 27,360	I think you are right mate! __________________ UUGallery Builder - automated photo/video gallery plugin for Wordpress! Stop looking! Checkout Naked Hosting, online since 1999 !