WarChild

"BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Nearly half the Iraqis polled in a survey conducted primarily in March and early April said they believed the U.S.-led war had done more harm than good, but 61 percent of respondents said Saddam Hussein's ouster made it worth any hardships."

The CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/...oll/index.html

I guess they're not ALL ungreatful after all.

Roger is probably going to come tell us how it's all a lie.

tony286

Why should they be grateful, they didnt ask us to come there. lol

Roger

"Seventy-one percent surveyed said they saw troops mostly as occupiers, while 19 percent said they viewed them as liberators."

Face-to-face polls? That oughta give an honest response You're not familiar with Muslim culture are you?

Wether your so called poll is actually close to the truth or not, Iraq is screwed up for decades or perhaps centuries to come and the US is stuck there. Kinda like some European countries and there former colonies. My relatives left Iraq safely and won't come back, that's what matters to me.

WarChild

So if you can't get a Muslim's oppinion out of them face to face .. You need to have a mob of them then? Don't mobs of Muslims just blow themselves up and kill each other?

It's neither "my poll" .. nor "so called". You can't offer anything to invalidate it, and I'm sure you have no source closer to the Iraqi people. Unless you live in Iraq, you can't possibly know better.

Newsflash .. Iraq HAS been screwed for decades. Just now that the cancer has been removed from it's heart, it has a chance of healing.

beergood

I say we destroy any remaining infrastructure then set up a dead zone 10 miles wide around the entire country border. nobody gets in, nobody gets out. We patrol with Fucker day n night and kill anything in there no questions asked. fuck'em

Phoenix

i hate to say it..but i think it is the way of life that needs to be changed

things are alot different over there

i have a muslim friend...and she has to lie and plan these big fake events just to get out of her house...lol and she is 19

they tape her phonecalls, follow her...it is a different world over there...as that is how her parents act here...just imagine what life must be like for people over there

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Roger

Why would they tell the truth and expose themselves?

let's see "Two-thirds -- 67 percent -- said troops were not trying at all to keep ordinary Iraqis from being killed in exchanges of gunfire, while 18 percent said the Americans were trying only a little and 11 percent said they were trying a lot.

But the Iraqis surveyed were split on whether ongoing U.S.-led military action in the country was justified. Fifty-two percent said it was not, while 47 percent said it could be justified.

Asked about when they wanted U.S. and British forces to leave, 57 percent chose immediately, as in the next few months, the poll said; 36 percent said troops should stay longer. "

Now it ain't that good is it? The US is planning on staying in Iraq and Iraqis want them to leave. I'm sure they also risked there lives and went to dangerous places in order to get the views of the people in there

Yes it has been screwed for decades because of the superpowers intervention and will continue to be so. We're creating a country with an irresponsible population who'll keep counting on the US to keep them out of any trouble they may experience. Have fun

RicardoB

I agree with Roger on this one.

And I think we all know that CNN isn't the most reliable source for UN Iraq news.

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beergood

Why leave? They'll want us back in 10 years to take out whatever dictator pops up next.

Just fuck'em. lets nuke the place. kill fucking everyone. fuck the mosque lets bomb them too? Oh wait the other muslims have a problem with that? DON'T LET THE FUCKERS HIDE WEAPONS IN RELIGIOUS CONSTRUCTS FUCKHEADS!!!!!!

stev0

haha, no kidding... why not liberate some of the places in Africa that are in way worse situations than Iraq ever was...

Simple answer: Oil

WarChild

Most african nations will never be advanced enough to be a threat to anyone other than themselves. Fuck 'em.

stev0

Don't forget who put that "cancer" into power in the first place...

stev0

Iraq was never a threat to America... Israel maybe. But the "threat" Bush invented was only intended to gain public support.

WarChild

Times change, don't they.

The only person to blame for the state of Iraq, is Saddam Hussein.

WarChild

Maybe not to America, but certainly to it's neighbors.

I don't understand why people think it's impossible that Saddam would support terrorists. Saddam and for instance Bin Laden never saw eye to eye on most things .. And yes, Bin Laden did hate Saddam's secular goverment ... Their hatred for American could easily have been or have become a uniting factor.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Bin Laden wants the end of the Western way of life .. It's foolish to believe he wouldn't consider using Iraq to obtain that goal.

WarChild

You don't think any source, actually polling Iraqi people, then reported on CNN is valid?

It's got to be better than a bunch of people tossing out guesses on an internet message board.

DR_PHIL

meanwhile back at the ranch....

-millions of children, other americans without health care
-rising poverty level
-bankruptcys always rising

The list goes on.

WarChild

I absolutely agree with you. Why anyone would bother trying to bring freedom to ungrateful cavemen, when there's problems at home .. Is way beyond me.

If the United States stopped supporting everything .. Let the Africans die from AIDs and/or kill each other. Let the middle east Duke it out. Let them all go. But then the world would be crying the US never does anything.

Rich

hahaha beautiful, people taking a fucking CNN/Gallup poll from Iraq seriously.

WarChild

What better source do we have?

None of us are in Iraq. It's better than just guessing.

Can you explain to me the great consipiracy of CNN? We all know how well people keep secrets. How come it hasn't leaked out that the republican party is in fact running CNN and it's all just a big hoax?

Do you have better sources? First hand knowledge? Invalidate this poll, and give some reasonable evidence to support your argument.

Not just "everybody knows"

Roger

The enemy of my enemy is my friend? I think Saddam learned the hard way that it ain't such a good idea after his experience with Kuwait and the US once the Iran war was over Not to mention that he's seen what Ben Laden is doing to the US, a country who helped him in his fight against the Soviets.

Yeah he's actually now using Iraq to obtain that goal. Ben Laden wants the end of moderate Islam. His extremist ideas where loosing ground, no government wanted anything to do with him and so he launched a desperate attack on 9/11 to guarantee his survival. Turns out he wasn't wrong. Thanks to him, the US managed to really piss off even the most moderate Muslims.

There was an interview with a British journalist who interviewed Ben Laden in 1996 and Ben Laden told him that his lifelong dream is to get the US to invade a ME country.

stev0

Nah.. Bin Laden just wants the US to stop occupying muslim nations. He's got a good motive, but he goes about it the wrong way.

WarChild

No he doesn't want jsut that. He wants America destroyed. He said so in his last broadcast. Something to the effect of "There will be no truce with America".

stev0

Al Jazeera would be a much better source.. it's unbiased and alot closer to the information. Alot of CNN's information comes from Al Jazeera as well... Believing what you hear on CNN is just as bad as believing the Iraqi media. It's propoganda on both sides.

GonePhishing

Wonder what the stability of that region will be like over the next 10 years.

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WarChild

You think Al Jazeera is unbiased?

I JUST saw an interview with a high level representitive from Jordan .. Can't remember if it was the king or who it was exactly .. In any case, he came right out and said the Al Jazeera is biased, in the same ways as CNN is. Al Jazeera is based out of, and owned by the Jordan goverment I believe.

Roger

Maybe you like for your country to be occupied, but not eveyrone is like you. Freedom? Please, I think Bush is the US president who's least qualified to mention such a thing.

You're right. I'm sure the world would no longer exist if it wasn't for the US. I wonder how they managed to survive all those years alone

xenophobic

unbiased? haha, funny.

WarChild

Take a good hard look at Africa. Take a good hard look at who's spending the most money there. Imagine how much worse it would be, if the United States stopped paying.

The world would have survived without the United States .. But it'd be speaking German and/or Japanese.

xenophobic

It's based in Qatar.

WarChild

Hmm it was late at night ... Is there another Arabic news agency based out of Jordan? Maybe the guy was from Qatar .. I thought they said Jordan though. Hmm

Roger

No Al-Jazeera is based in Qatar and yeah it's biased, it's gotta appeal to the masses. Journalists are people, they're not unbiased. Some Arab governments, especially Saudi Arabia want it shut down because Al-Jazeera often shows them as US puppets. You should see the Saudis during the Arab League summits, the guy goes on a wild ride of insults on anyone who dares to criticize the US.

Roger

Those are your unverifiable theories. You can't know for sure what would've happened because it didn't happen.

latinasojourn

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Roger
[B]"Seventy-one percent surveyed said they saw troops mostly as occupiers, while 19 percent said they viewed them as liberators."

Face-to-face polls? That oughta give an honest response You're not familiar with Muslim culture are you?


have done plenty of business with arabic people.

and we had a saying when dealing with the camel jockeys.

want to know if a dune coon is lying?

watch his lips.

if they're moving he's lying.


perhaps the camel jockeys in iraq are different though---but that's the way they are in the states.