ok how about this when shit goes down who gets called th EU or USA? Of course it's the USA because in many ways be are the EU Army by proxy.

i think alien would kick predator's ass.

I'm a bit worried the USA will perpetuate this false sense of confidence until reality smacks us in the face. Just because the FOX News talking heads chant "best in the world" every time they mention our troops doesn't mean they are superheros. If we continue to act like we're the only superpower in the world, we're eventually going to piss off China and discover we are not.

And once the Arab nations unite (thanks Bush, for removing the only obstacle to that, Saddam) it is quite possible they could ally with China against the west.

in reality if a war would start, no one would win it.
Just alone Russia vs USA war would destroy the whole world.

I see a lot of latent enemies on that list. Scary.

If you look at the facts...... without nuclear weapon use, i think the US would hold off an EU attack untill we reached a peace agreement. because all of use fucktards would join the army when you foreign bastards (which is what you WOULD be if we were at war) attacked us. and we are technologically eaqual.

now if china was to declare war, we would win, assuming nuclear attacks werent in the equation. if any other county declared war on the US, you would see record amounts of recruition, and we WOULD be technologically advanced. The US could defeat the chinese. if it were a straight up us and them war. WITHOUT nuclear weapons. even though, if it were one on one, i think the US would prevail in the nuclear department.


why do i say this????????? because the american media has brainwashed me to believe that we are the greatest country in the world

Personel and weapons (planes, ships) by the U.S. alone can not defeat China. The only way (not taking the complexity of international relations into account...and simplify) is by nukes. IMHO.:2 cents:

You don't have better weapon and definitly not better personel. Polish "Grom" (seals and marines from usa are learning from them how to do good operations) would kill the president and main heads of the US military. There would be a big mess and you will be russian, german, polish, slovak, lituan, spanish, czech and italian colony.

If you think that US is the best, tell me how was it possible that wtc was deamged. ?

oh shit if all the arab countries unite imagine the size of the rock they would throw at us and china talks a lot of game but heres a fact they wouldn't mess with the us we give them too much business.

The military tech level in Europe and the US is the same. And both has so many nukes they could destroy the world.
Several countries in Europe have compulsory military service, so Europe probably has more trained manpower, I think in Sweden alone there are over 1 million men with at least 9 months military training. But i doubt anyone could win a war on that scale.

50 WW3 Maniacs

51 Surrendering EU army guys. :Graucho :1orglaugh

It really depends on who is attacking who. If anyone attacks us they would lose. All of us are just looking for a reason to shoot our guns. Having some foreign country come over here on boats and planes dropping from parachutes would be like a gift certificate to the gun range for every American.

bullshit, tell that to arabs, not here

Israel is a small country with increased military numbers for their population and that's all. Greece military expenses if you include the secret budget match the Israel's one and we have 1mil more manpower. Army is obligatory here too. Now look a small comparison between Israel, Germany and UK which are way bigger countries.

ISRAEL

males age 15-49: 1,562,716
note: both sexes are liable for military service (2003 est.)
Military expenditures - dollar figure:
$8.97 billion (FY02)


now look at UK

Military manpower - availability:
males age 15-49: 14,877,666 (2003 est.)

Military expenditures - dollar figure:
$31.7 billion (2002)

GERMANY

Military manpower - availability:
males age 15-49: 20,509,838 (2003 est.)

Military expenditures - dollar figure:
$38.8 billion (2002)


War is not a Rambo episode. Having higher military skillz as you say and if that's in reality valid won't match such differences.

If you placed the two armies ready on a battleground, all other things being equal, the European army should win. That is one of the reasons why some EU countries, notably France and Germany, are not wholly enthusiastic about NATO and the special influence the US has in that organisation.

But in a (non-nuclear war) presumably ranging back and forth between the US and Europe, the US would have an advantage. Few European countries have forces that are intended to fight (far) outside their own territories, whereas the US military is planned largely on the assumption that it will be fighting overseas. Going up against Europe, the US would be handicapped in that many of its jump-off points are in Europe, but still it should be better placed to attack Europe than vice versa.

Of course if the conflict moved from bombing to invasion, then a lot would depend on the reaction of the population. That's largely an unknown as Americans haven't fought at home since the Civil War and few Europeans of combat age have personal experience of war either. I tend towards believing Europeans would bear up better, but really, who knows...

UK and France both have armies that are deployed all over the world.

the sure thing with EU is that their leaders would never agree on which tactic to follow :1orglaugh

sad to admit the USA would win easily

the USA spends $350 billion a year on defence, compared to $35 billion in the UK, and $350 billion is what the next 10 big military powers spend in total

it's all about the money

and carriers:
the USA has 7 carrier battle groups, each with 100+ combat aircraft... the UK has 3 tiny aircraft carriers and I think France just has 1

but we are all great friends and do alot of business together :)

A look at Bowling For Columbine should give a good indication of what to expect should there ever be an invasion. A look at Boyz In Da Hood should also be required for any potential invaders.

Rappers would be a secret weapon.

you guys are all fucked up in the head, if there would be a war, no one will win it because the whole population will fight against the invaders....that will happen if the EU goes into the US and vice versa...

The US spend alot yes, but combine all European countries and you'll see that the figure will not be so far behind the US.
As for the carriers, they would be sunk pretty fast on both sides, so I doubt it would matter.

I think alot of the modern weponry would be useless pretty fast since I'm sure both the US and Europe would destroy every military satellite pretty fast.

True.

However, the EU can easily match US defense spending due to the budget of the EU countries being alot larger than the US budget.

Right.

The EU is not a small group of Arab nations with army technology dating from the 19th century.

Israel definitely has an advanced army but its way too small to be a serious threat.

eh... dont forget the eh, eh, great czech army...

http://1.im.cz/n/photo/00/86/21vjcvu-topsirka.jpg

they still dont have any air-fighters..

If Israel tried anything hostile against a major worldpower, the Mediterranean Sea would become 20770 sq km larger.

wtf? where are you from? all eastern euro former commie countries actually dont havy any army that would be able to fight anywhere on this planet.. the dont have enought money to build a powerfull army at this time. maybe in africa they can fight, somewhere.. :BangBang:

See, this is the edge that EU / US have over China. China doesn't have too many satellites up. Not as much as the EU and US at least.

Whoever can get the first nuke airborne

But soon they will have about 10 million elite hackers who can take over our sats at will.


I'm not kidding. If anyone thought the russian hackers were bad just wait a few years and see what happens.

Military spenditure for the EU is in the range $200 - $250 Billion, US is about $300 - $350 Billion and China about $50 - 100 Billion.

I hope it won't get that far!

I don't think that figure is relevant. The dollar is an imaginary value. What you would pay to build a tank in China is a whole lot less than what you would pay to build a tank in the USA, but the end product is similar

All that is important is the final total of manpower and equipment.
China is not far behind us in tech, and outnumbers us 3 to 1.
We cannot let some idiot president piss these people off. :warning

I've been been trying to find a good source of info detailing how much of what they've got compared to us .. this is the most comprehensive inventory I've found: (but unoffical) http://www.sinodefence.com/

In general, I think most Americans severely underestimate foriegn powers. To our peril.
We do need the EU, and we must make sure China sides with us instead of the (inevitable) United Islamic Nations.

I don't think the relevant measure is $$$ spent but FIERCENESS and HEART of the troops.

That's what we said about the former USSR, until they became the first "supposedly backward" country to launch a satallite in sapce(sputnik). By then, we were playing catch up (we eventually did and surpass them).

As CamChick had pointed out, China had been sending more and more satallite into orbit. As for scientific personel, they're catching up.

As for worrying about our current prez irritating China. Don't worry, the Bushes have closer relationship with China than any other powerful political families to date.

one word.

nuke.

I can tell you one thing. USD$50 Billion can buy a lot more in China than it can in the U.S. -- So long as you're chinese :-)

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what a fucking stupid thread. :warning

Besides aborigines, who have australians conquered?