IE 6 = No c o o k i e s = No sales for refferers - GoFuckYourself.com

CHMOD · 04-18-2004, 01:01 PM

This has probably been discussed but search fonction doesn't work.

By default, IE 6 doesn't allow to set c o o k i e s.
How will referrers get they % of sales ?

How many sales a day will refferers loose ?

Has CCBill or any other billing company found a way
to credit sales to affiliates without involving c o o k i e s ?

BTW:
Replacing some words by "hahahaha" is totally idiot.
I wonder if it makes anyone smile.

riosluts · 04-18-2004, 01:07 PM

umm topbucks says they

We also utilize a dual tracking methods which tracks both hahahahahaha and non-hahahahahaha surfers. With the increasing amount of surfers navigating the web with hahahahahahas turned off, it is important to know as a webmasters that the surfers you refer are being accounted for. TopBucks tracking system does account for these non-hahahahahaha surfers, but still provides the webmaster the benefits of hahahahahaha tracking such as credit for return visits.

isnt the refid= suppost to count referrals

Mr.Fiction · 04-18-2004, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CHMOD
This has probably been discussed but search fonction doesn't work.

By default, IE 6 doesn't allow to set c o o k i e s.
How will referrers get they % of sales ?

How many sales a day will refferers loose ?

Has CCBill or any other billing company found a way
to credit sales to affiliates without involving c o o k i e s ?

BTW:
Replacing some words by "hahahaha" is totally idiot.
I wonder if it makes anyone smile.

Are you sure IE6 doesn't allow c o o k i e s by default? I think it does for most people.

Calvinguy · 04-18-2004, 01:09 PM

IE 6 doesn't allow thirdparty c ookies by default but regular c ookies are set alright

CHMOD · 04-18-2004, 01:14 PM

Riosluts:

If they do so, that is fine... What what about CCBill ? I never read anything regarding this on their site.

Mr Fiction:

I am 100% sure.

Calvinguy:

This interresting... Where did you get this information ? And...
If I set a c o o k i e via CCBill link...
isn't this a third party c o o k i e ?

Lane · 04-18-2004, 01:17 PM

third party is when there is an img src or a frame that has a different domain in the url than in the main windoow... which has nothing to do with ccbill

riosluts · 04-18-2004, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CHMOD
Riosluts:

If they do so, that is fine... What what about CCBill ? I never read anything regarding this on their site.

Mr Fiction:

I am 100% sure.

Calvinguy:

This interresting... Where did you get this information ? And...
If I set a c o o k i e via CCBill link...
isn't this a third party c o o k i e ?

Then they will probably impliment something. Like so the refid stays whenever the surfer is navigating thru the page. When is IE6 gonna be released anyways

Lane · 04-18-2004, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by riosluts

Then they will probably impliment something. Like so the refid stays whenever the surfer is navigating thru the page. When is IE6 gonna be released anyways

are you guys really being serious? IE6 has been out forever

Tipsy · 04-18-2004, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Calvinguy
IE 6 doesn't allow thirdparty c ookies by default but regular c ookies are set alright

What he just said. IE DOES allow hahahahahahas by defulat on any well written tracking script. However, NO affiliate program has a valid excuse to not use both hahahahahahas and session IDs as it's very easy to do. I've always been amazed that ccbill has never seen this as a problem and tried to address it.

justsexxx · 04-18-2004, 01:20 PM

CCBILL tracks sales besides by hahahahahaha, also by other ways since, well I think already 7 months...

Andre

Tipsy · 04-18-2004, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by justsexxx
CCBILL tracks sales besides by hahahahahaha, also by other ways since, well I think already 7 months...

Andre

Most sites using ccbill ONLY use c ookies for tracking so I'm not sure where you get the idea they use 'other ways'?

CHMOD - you are wrong. IE6 DOES NOT disable all c ookies by default and a well written script will still have it's c ookies accepted by the default IE settings.

CHMOD · 04-18-2004, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tipsy

Most sites using ccbill ONLY use c ookies for tracking so I'm not sure where you get the idea they use 'other ways'?

CHMOD - you are wrong. IE6 DOES NOT disable all c ookies by default and a well written script will still have it's c ookies accepted by the default IE settings.

I really do hope that you are right !

stev0 · 04-18-2004, 01:39 PM

I've always hated tracking sales by hahahahahahas... so many people have them disabled.

blackmonsters · 04-18-2004, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tipsy

Most sites using ccbill ONLY use c ookies for tracking so I'm not sure where you get the idea they use 'other ways'?

CHMOD - you are wrong. IE6 DOES NOT disable all c ookies by default and a well written script will still have it's c ookies accepted by the default IE settings.

If ccbill has any brains at all then they are tracking the sell by IP address when they set the hahahahahaha. But I have no way of knowing if ccbill has any fucking brains.

04-18-2004, 01:51 PM

There was a thread on here where someone brought the hahahahahaha issue to CCBill's attention. They responded and added another method for tracking sales. I don't remember exactly when it was, but I think it was sometime after they upgraded their stats system to the current one. Maybe someone can find the thread.

swami · 04-18-2004, 01:51 PM

All I know is that ccbill ratios suck and I will not use any more sponsors using ccbill.

Royal Cash · 04-18-2004, 02:11 PM

we run dual system too -

1. using hahahahahahas
2. using Ip tracking for some hours

that helps to loose just less 5% of affiliates sales . What I think is almost no loose.

justsexxx · 04-19-2004, 03:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tipsy

Most sites using ccbill ONLY use c ookies for tracking so I'm not sure where you get the idea they use 'other ways'?

CHMOD - you are wrong. IE6 DOES NOT disable all c ookies by default and a well written script will still have it's c ookies accepted by the default IE settings.

Wrong CCBILL does also track sales by IP.

Andre

ldinternet · 04-19-2004, 03:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by justsexxx

Wrong CCBILL does also track sales by IP.

Andre

This is true. Check it out for yourselves.

CCBill Paul · 04-19-2004, 06:23 AM

Quote:

Wrong CCBILL does also track sales by IP.

This is true. Months ago we implemented a system that would track both c o okies and IP's.

Pornopat · 04-19-2004, 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by CCBill Paul

This is true. Months ago we implemented a system that would track both c o okies and IP's.

What happened to the reveneu from sales made before that? The ones that could not be tracked back to a referrer...

rowan · 04-19-2004, 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pornopat

What happened to the reveneu from sales made before that? The ones that could not be tracked back to a referrer...

You know, that's a really good question.

I'm sure ccbill log the IP and affiliate ID at the "refer.ccbill" stage, and also the IP of a successful transaction. It would be quite simple to scan this data and match up affiliate referrals to sales.

The problem is that program webmasters have already been paid for these sales...

mryellow · 04-19-2004, 08:31 AM

IP tracking is ok for basic click stats but not much more.

Gotta think about the proxies guys, IP tracking will not work. For
starters think about AOL. You referer 50,000 AOL customers from
a handful of IPs and if someone else happened to send a visit
before you they'll get credit for the sale even if they only sent 3
hits. In the past programs using IPs have just pocketed the AOL
traffic without giving full credits for it.

Session IDs *are* c-ookies, unless you're talking URL based
sessions, in which case these also won't work in a 3rd Party
billing situation.

Doesn't have to be "well coded" for c-ookies to work. They just
work. It's simple. IE6 has c-ookies. It just won't accept img or i-
frame hahahahahahas by default. No biggy. Relax.

If you want to get all up tight about this then stop using paranoia
and fake hack screens to promote evidence eliminators that
delete hahahahahahas when the computer reboots.

-Ben

04-18-2004, 01:01 PM	#1
CHMOD Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,697	IE 6 = No c o o k i e s = No sales for refferers This has probably been discussed but search fonction doesn't work. By default, IE 6 doesn't allow to set c o o k i e s. How will referrers get they % of sales ? How many sales a day will refferers loose ? Has CCBill or any other billing company found a way to credit sales to affiliates without involving c o o k i e s ? BTW: Replacing some words by "hahahaha" is totally idiot. I wonder if it makes anyone smile.

04-18-2004, 01:07 PM	#2
riosluts Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 5,250	umm topbucks says they We also utilize a dual tracking methods which tracks both hahahahahaha and non-hahahahahaha surfers. With the increasing amount of surfers navigating the web with hahahahahahas turned off, it is important to know as a webmasters that the surfers you refer are being accounted for. TopBucks tracking system does account for these non-hahahahahaha surfers, but still provides the webmaster the benefits of hahahahahaha tracking such as credit for return visits. isnt the refid= suppost to count referrals __________________

04-18-2004, 01:09 PM	#4
Calvinguy Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: European Union Posts: 1,752	IE 6 doesn't allow thirdparty c ookies by default but regular c ookies are set alright Last edited by Calvinguy; 04-18-2004 at 01:11 PM..

04-18-2004, 01:17 PM	#6
Lane Will code for food... Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Buckeye, AZ Posts: 8,496	third party is when there is an img src or a frame that has a different domain in the url than in the main windoow... which has nothing to do with ccbill __________________

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justsexxx Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 13,723	CCBILL tracks sales besides by hahahahahaha, also by other ways since, well I think already 7 months... Andre __________________ Questions? ICQ: 125184542

04-18-2004, 01:14 PM	#5
CHMOD Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,697	Riosluts: If they do so, that is fine... What what about CCBill ? I never read anything regarding this on their site. Mr Fiction: I am 100% sure. Calvinguy: This interresting... Where did you get this information ? And... If I set a c o o k i e via CCBill link... isn't this a third party c o o k i e ?

04-18-2004, 01:39 PM	#13
stev0 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Calgary, Alberta Posts: 6,801	I've always hated tracking sales by hahahahahahas... so many people have them disabled.

04-18-2004, 01:51 PM	#15
evildick Guest Posts: n/a	There was a thread on here where someone brought the hahahahahaha issue to CCBill's attention. They responded and added another method for tracking sales. I don't remember exactly when it was, but I think it was sometime after they upgraded their stats system to the current one. Maybe someone can find the thread.

04-18-2004, 01:51 PM	#16
swami Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: vanuatu Posts: 1,989	All I know is that ccbill ratios suck and I will not use any more sponsors using ccbill.

04-18-2004, 02:11 PM	#17
Royal Cash Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Royal-Cash Posts: 1,739	we run dual system too - 1. using hahahahahahas 2. using Ip tracking for some hours that helps to loose just less 5% of affiliates sales . What I think is almost no loose.

04-19-2004, 08:31 AM	#23
mryellow Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 934	IP tracking is ok for basic click stats but not much more. Gotta think about the proxies guys, IP tracking will not work. For starters think about AOL. You referer 50,000 AOL customers from a handful of IPs and if someone else happened to send a visit before you they'll get credit for the sale even if they only sent 3 hits. In the past programs using IPs have just pocketed the AOL traffic without giving full credits for it. Session IDs are c-ookies, unless you're talking URL based sessions, in which case these also won't work in a 3rd Party billing situation. Doesn't have to be "well coded" for c-ookies to work. They just work. It's simple. IE6 has c-ookies. It just won't accept img or i- frame hahahahahahas by default. No biggy. Relax. If you want to get all up tight about this then stop using paranoia and fake hack screens to promote evidence eliminators that delete hahahahahahas when the computer reboots. -Ben __________________ Cyberwurx Hosting After trying 5 different hosts, I found the best. Since 1997 I've had 2 hours of downtime. Fast support, great techs, no hype, no gimmicks. <- I in no way endorse whatever just got stuck on the left of my post.