Corleone

What do you think?
i think No .. terror will go on... if you kill osama , another leader will come...

same in israel they killed Rantisi and? he's dead. and thousands of ppl hate israel more than before

Goose

and how long did it take until they named a new leader? not even a day...
so the answer is NO

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Gheenz

Yeah but I admire the way Israel does business. They actually get the job done with one missile. We (the US) fuck around with politics and lolly-gagging so much that we always miss our chances to off terrorist leaders. But to answer the question, yeah I think it makes a difference. Just not a lasting one.

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h0st

good terrorist is same as dead terrorist so of course they should kill them

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Realistically though, if they didn't kill him, terrorism would still continue, so it seems Israel had little to lose.

Kill the guy = terrorism

Let him live = terrorism

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Theo

Same applies to osama. Hijacked planes. Cost effective operation. You gotta admire that.

blackmonsters

Based on the last 40+ years of targeted attacks it appears not to work worth a fucking shit in Israel.

The solution is for these greedy assed Jews to give up the land they stole and end the occupation of Palistine.

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Gheenz

I'm not siding with Israel or anyone else. Not saying who is the real terrorists or anything else. I'm just saying, their government gets shit done and obviously ours doesn't.

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-HF

sure it can stop attacks. only about 2.5 million palestinians more to go.

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We did get shit done. We re-built Iraq into a murderous fucking hell fire that will rage for another 10 years.

We showed them folks in Fallujah too; I mean we lost four Americans and we avenged that by losing 70 more.
Who needs those council members going in to negoitiate the arrest of the killers now when they could have gone in before we shot up a bunch of shit and got more of us killed.
The council only wants to get the credit for the great job we have done.

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Corleone

yep... they cant get them all

alexg

Of course there will still be terrorists and new leaders, but like I said in another thread, when the leader spends 90% of his day concerned about his personal life and how to protect himself from a missile, he would have less time for planning atacks on Israel.
The Hamass has weacken drastically following the liquidation of Yassin and Rantisi. The organization is in struggling to hahahahahahaha "operations" and is also in an economical crisis.

Killing terrorists IS the correct way, and the only way to defeat terrorism in the long run. I'm very glad the PM Sharon has clearly stated that Israel will continue with the liquidations.

The only thing that bothers me about this, is that every time Israel liquidates a leader, a sports event or a sports program on TV is cancelled or postponed, and this really sucks

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Theo

A helicopter hit a car with missile. Having served in an Apache base I can tell you if the co-pilot miss such target most probably it will be his last flight. Having the info that Rantisi was inside the car wasn't that hard either. The outcome of yesterday's opeation will be seen in a day or two when the next suicide attempt won't target 5 people but 50 like in the past.

It's not rocket science that both parties with their actions don't lead to a solution. Once in a while I have chats with jewish professors living in states and they are more open to critisism/discussions than most non-jewish webmasters here that blindly support all actions taken by israelian govt just to suck the dicks of those sending them traffic. How fucked up is that? hah

-HF

it's a tad naive to think an organization of that size is run by one "leader" only.

it is even more naive to assume the organization will not set up a new infra structure, with some prominent face as leader but even more working in the background.

welcome to the real world and how to manage a large organization.

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slackologist

In the very short-term it may slow things down.. but it's not a solution and will not 'stop terrorist attacks'.

alexg

LOL.
on the contrary.
In the short run, this will cause over-motivation to suicide bombers, because of the crave for revenge, but in the LONG RUN, this is the right strategy

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Corleone

hmm they're born to die.. if you kill them.. they dont care... they're blowing themselves.. all they want is killing jews, no matter whats the prize...

Theo

any expected date for positive outcome?

alexg

nothing negative so far...
real positive results depend on a lot of other things as well, like if there is a REAL leadership for the palestinian authority, and Arafat and his puppets are finally removed

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diesel

They dont blow themselves ... they find assholes that blow themselves... Those days I think no doubt that they must be hunted in any way and any price.. Fuck it I want to travel and live safe!

erehwon

I agree 100% on this, but for it to be really effective there isn't enough Apache helicopters in Israel to pull it off.

Plucking them off one by one just isn't going to cut it, cut off the head, and the body will die. After a few weeks of Hellfire missles raining out of the sky on target, and you won't find anyone wanting the job of leading Hamas or Islamic Jihad anymore.

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great,im really happy things work good

blackmonsters

You must be 12 yrs old. This shit in Isreal has been going on for 40 years; been hearing about it since I was a kid...40 years ago!!!!
How long is "The Long Run"?? 200 years??!!

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cyberdudex

I think that if someone tries to KILL you, you kill him first, especially when he wants to kill your children.

Now- There is a difference people here need to understand....

It's true now there is mroe people that this killing HURT their feelings, BUT- I think that the motivation is WAY UP (to make more terror attacks) but the ABILITY against the Israeli forces is WAY DOWN!

And this is what need to be consider when you make such acts...

I agree with Israel even if there is no way to stop the terrorist, there soon there will be another ass hole in the leadership.

By the way- there won't be any declaration about a new leader, according to what they say...

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diesel

Israel signed few peace relations which worked out very well..
When second side wants peace they get it... And palestinians were so close 5-6 years ago.. But they wanted The whole Jerusalem in their hands not only part of it ...
Suck leaders they have

-HF

yeah. these ragheads are real assholes. how dare they demand back the land that was stolen from them. really.

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-HF

that long run will be shorter if they are supplied with enough missiles to wipe out the 2.5 million palestinians.

a niche on the weapons market, i guess.

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alexg

exactly.

Israel has decent peace with Egypt and Jordan. I'm not saying they like us a lot, but we don't need them too.
We just let them understand that peace will be better for them as well, and we don't hear from them ever since.

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alexg

It's been going on a lot longer then this..
the long run, could be in 2 years, when we will enjoy a long and happy period without suicide bombings. this definitely can be achieved. Unfortunately, today it is only achieved in periods of thorough operation by the IDF.

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alexg

hey -HF, I see we moved our political discussions over to GFY

you're a nice guy, you're just wrong about some things, that's all. But that's ok, there are even some Israelis with opinions like yours.

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This would imply that a different approach may find a solution?

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blackmonsters

If some jew came to your town and ran your family off your land and killed your friends in the process then you would shot them in the fucking head until you got your shit back.
That's what the palestinians are doing.

Some people need to look at a map of the middle east made before 1945 and quit sucking jew dick.

In this country the jews run the news and have brain washed americans into being killed over their racist government policies.

We talk about "freedom and democracy" then put all our support behind Israeli apartheid and monarchy in Kuwait(Sadam was elected).

The fact is simple that when we took out Sadam we took out the closest thing to democracy there ever was in the middle east. At least he was the president instead of the "Prime minister exualted highnest".

Sadam was killing the muslim extremist until Bush #1 started stealing oil from Iraq through Kuwait which is actually a province of Iraq that Sadam had every right to invade to stop their illegal oil exports.

Funny how we are trying to kill Moqtada al-Sadr but it was Sadam who killed Sadr's father. Sadam was killing the same motherfuckers that we are now trying to kill. Weird, huh?

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-HF

funnily enough, i don't recall making the post you quote to you, but whatever.

you are free to believe what you want, BTW.

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alexg

we had a discussion on another message board.
I will not mention which board, because it is againts the GFY rules

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slackologist

OK, well you have your opinion, i have mine. I'm not Palestinian or Israeli. My opinion seems logical to me just as i'm sure yours seems logical to you, I'll agree to disagree.. you?

-HF

i'm quite aware which debates i was in.

as a member of an ethnical group that was targetted by state-run murder, you should understand that anyone whose mind isn't embittered by blind hate will never condone state-run murder of any sort.

you are in the minority by far BTW, since only the US fully backs the "efforts" of the Sharon administration.

and that's all i have to say about this.

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So name a few times when this method worked.

Israel after the 2nd World War was under British rule. The european Jews decided they wanted it as their homeland and started shipping in people illegally.

With the Jewish lobby in America they gained UN recogintion for the State of Israel and have been effectively at war ever since. They have continually stolen lands from the people living there 100s if not 1,000s of years. They have also made the life of Palestinians living in Palestine as hard as possible. Not genocide just persecution.

There is only one way to end this war, negotiate and give back SOME of what was stolen. The problem is the Isaeligoverment has no intentions of doing this and is always looking for a way out. So the moment a few Palestinian terrorist want to stop negotiations the Israeli goverment gives in and stops the talks. Tell me one other goverment who gives in to their enemies wishes so easily?

What has to be done is a deal has to be negotiated that pleases both sides and then delivered to ALL the people for a vote. Then if accepted both sides have to work at keeping the deal, so it has to be in both sides interests.

At the moment you have the leaders of both sides finding any excuse they can to not talk and continue the fighting.

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alexg

No lands were stolen! The jews bought the land for MONEY from the arab farmers who were here.

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I don't consider sole American support as a symbol of minority. The US is not just any country, but a superpower with huge influence on the world.

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Paul Markham

It's been going on 50 years, want to give us a date on the "LONG RUN"?

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Paul Markham

And you should get down on your knees and pray every day that they do not change their minds.

For a country that does not have a welfare state for it's residence it certainly likes to provide a welfare state elsewhere in the world.

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alexg

You are laughing but you don't know that this is the truth.


Edmond De Rothchild was one of the rich jews who purchased a lot of land in Israel in the late 19th century.

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/bio...othschild.html

"His most outstanding achievements were involved in responding to the threats facing the Jewish people in Europe in the late 19th century by supporting massive land <b>purchases</b> and underwriting Jewish settlement in Eretz Yisrael."

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alexg

nevertheless, the jews were given the possibility to build their homeland in Israel by the Brittish...

and the US will not change their mind...trust me. There are too many jews and pro-jews in the US leadership to let this happen.

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You will have to forgive my stupidity I had no idea Rothchild purchased all the land currently under Jewish occupation. You see how stupid I am I thought all those tanks, planes, guns and soldiers were invading the Golan hieghts. Not protecting Rothchild's investment.

Now tell us how many British citizens were killed by Jewish terrorists to get the British to pull out.

So you agree US Jews are buying influence in the US.

Out of his own mouth he condems.

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mardigras

So would you support it if American Indians decided to start blowing people up in order to get their land back?

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There is no possibility of this.

The Palestinians will only settle for the total elimination of Isreal, all Jews expelled and a country of Palestine with Jerusalem as the capital. What part of that do you think the Israelis are OK with? The Palestinians don't want SOME, they want ALL, especially Jerasulem and it is not negotiable.

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