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Brujah · 04-13-2004, 08:41 PM

What are some of the reasons good gothic content is so rare ? This goes for both video and images. Amelia does a great job shooting it, but I'm talking about all the content providers. People you can actually license content from. The niche continues to grow fast, but there's a big lack of decent content for it. I think maybe it's because it lacks definition for a lot of photographers. They don't know what to shoot. Too much risk for them, that they may not shoot it right and not be able to sell it ? Or is there not enough of a demand for it even though there are threads practically every week looking for it ?

AMADude · 04-13-2004, 08:44 PM

Probably not enough demand.

Spunky · 04-13-2004, 08:46 PM

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Originally posted by AMADude
Probably not enough demand.

Not true...There is plenty of demand just hard to find new models.You can only shoot the same models,so many times.

AMADude · 04-13-2004, 08:47 PM

I'll talk to Joe about it...
Shouldnt be that hard to find Goth girls in LA and Vegas. Especially if they are needed for exclusive. If they are, we will find them! Hit us up.

Wrestlingdiva · 04-13-2004, 08:48 PM

The problem is most goth girls look exactly alike.

Gotta love the girls that shake things up a bit.

CamChicks · 04-13-2004, 09:01 PM

IMHO, very generally speaking, "goth" girls usually possess above average intelligence, and come from higher income families. They are better educated and less likely to need to turn to porn to support themselves. If they do have an interest in modeling, they see a clear distinction between 'artistic' nudes and 'porn'. Even then, the photographer/site needs to have the sort of credibility that makes it "cool" to be involved. It is more likely they'd just start their own site, more for attention than money.

Of course, there are always those with out-of-control drug habits to support. For that type, try North Hollywood.

Cole Montana · 04-14-2004, 01:09 AM

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Originally posted by spunky1

Not true...There is plenty of demand just hard to find new models.You can only shoot the same models,so many times.

Hey, if you need goth girls, we've got a few here in Phoenix, and not only do we have a talent agency, we've produce content as well. Hit me up!

Myst · 04-14-2004, 01:14 AM

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Originally posted by Brujah
What are some of the reasons good gothic content is so rare ? This goes for both video and images. Amelia does a great job shooting it, but I'm talking about all the content providers. People you can actually license content from. The niche continues to grow fast, but there's a big lack of decent content for it. I think maybe it's because it lacks definition for a lot of photographers. They don't know what to shoot. Too much risk for them, that they may not shoot it right and not be able to sell it ? Or is there not enough of a demand for it even though there are threads practically every week looking for it ?

most likely theres a low demand

Wilber · 04-14-2004, 01:17 AM

How many goth babe are over 18...not many. Goth is a teen
thing and a gothed-up 26 y/o looks weird.

My take on it anyway.

Honez · 04-14-2004, 01:54 AM

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Originally posted by Wilber
How many goth babe are over 18...not many. Goth is a teen
thing and a gothed-up 26 y/o looks weird.

My take on it anyway.

Um, we have goth girls that are 18 to 22. And they look amazing.

hydro · 04-14-2004, 01:57 AM

most of the gothic girls around here are fat and ugly. But if you find good looking ones i guess it would convert great if it was marketed the right way.

dabomb · 04-14-2004, 02:41 AM

maybe because gothic chicks are ugly and look like they're strung out on heroin?

Metatron-SpookyCash · 04-14-2004, 05:13 AM

Goth chicks also scare guys who like their porn vanilla and unthreatening.

m2mm · 04-14-2004, 05:36 AM

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Originally posted by spunky1

Not true...There is plenty of demand just hard to find new models.You can only shoot the same models,so many times.

I think, that any good model (actress) can be Gothic. I use blondes, plump etc. for goth content. The imagination of the photographer and a few accessories is necessary only.

Goth content

m2mm · 04-14-2004, 05:41 AM

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Originally posted by AMADude
Probably not enough demand.

Yes, I think, that the market for gothic not large. I have constant sales, but they not so large.

Lykos · 04-14-2004, 07:03 AM

Not enough demand...

HammerALL · 04-14-2004, 08:13 AM

There is certainly something intriguing about the goth girls. I believe that if you did get better looking models that the genre would take off.

Paul Markham · 04-14-2004, 01:52 PM

It's the same with all weird niche and fetish markets. You shoot normal stuff you sell it 20 times, you shoot fetish you sell it 5 times. Numbers are to illustrate a point, not specific.

So you ask the guy with the niche site for 4 times the money and he cries he cannot afford it.

Plus take into consideration the extra expense shooting the fetish content.

Content guys, stick to where the money is.

Nightwork · 04-14-2004, 02:15 PM

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IMHO, very generally speaking, "goth" girls usually possess above average intelligence, and come from higher income families. They are better educated and less likely to need to turn to porn to support themselves. If they do have an interest in modeling, they see a clear distinction between 'artistic' nudes and 'porn'. Even then, the photographer/site needs to have the sort of credibility that makes it "cool" to be involved. It is more likely they'd just start their own site, more for attention than money.

hmmm, 7 years ago you would've been right. Nowadays, "gothic" is just a mainstream subculture appealing to all different "social levels".

Besides, "goth" as discused here is totally about looks. Some 2nd hand clothes, fake piercings and make up make any model a goth within a minute.

On topic, I know nothing bout content but I believe one of the, what I think, best goth sites : suicidegirls.com was not really started as a pornbizz but more as a community. I think therefor there might be a lot undiscovered talent hanging around there not working for any agency and stuff.

EscortBiz · 04-14-2004, 02:26 PM

same gothics sites have been around forever its a good niche but one of those things that if your not into it and you shoot it you will just produce pure shit.

Also remember in this business everyone tries to do what everyone else does, so teen and mature and 5000 versions of reality sites are produced daily, some of the numbers are so small that these guys could make more money delivering pizza in montana.

I think there is a demand for good solid gothin content NOT JUST FUCKIN PICTURES, its 2000 and fuckin 4 shoot movies people.

Amila does some of the best work ive seen.

EscortBiz · 04-14-2004, 02:28 PM

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Originally posted by charly
It's the same with all weird niche and fetish markets. You shoot normal stuff you sell it 20 times, you shoot fetish you sell it 5 times. Numbers are to illustrate a point, not specific.

So you ask the guy with the niche site for 4 times the money and he cries he cannot afford it.

Plus take into consideration the extra expense shooting the fetish content.

Content guys, stick to where the money is.

To make money in fetish you have to shoot exclsuive stuff, anything real niche goes around the internet in 5 minutes because everyone buys the same content, so best bet is exclusive only.

m2mm · 04-14-2004, 02:55 PM

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Originally posted by EscortBiz

To make money in fetish you have to shoot exclsuive stuff, anything real niche goes around the internet in 5 minutes because everyone buys the same content, so best bet is exclusive only.

Yes, my customers ask about exclusive gothic content only.

C-Bass · 04-14-2004, 03:02 PM

I think Gothic models have to be very unique....since that look can make someone look over the edge very easily.

So if a girl is not too hot, she wont be able to pull it off

SykkBoy · 04-14-2004, 03:52 PM

One problem is content photographers don't understand how to shoot it right.

It's like photographers who think a girl with a collar and a piece of rope around her hahahaha is bondage.

Good quality content if more than just a girl in a black fright wig.

It's easy to shoot a blonde 18 year old, hell ANYONE can shoot that, but it takes some skill to properly shoot goth, fetish, etc.

As for them all looking alkje...um, I feel the same way about the Vivid girls.

Also, the "fat and ugly" comment...um, you know some goth fans like their women a bit bigger...

Amelia and Forrest have some of the best goth content out there because they know the scene and understand it.

slavdogg · 04-14-2004, 04:34 PM

wow this goth chick is HOT

AMADude · 04-14-2004, 04:39 PM

Perfect tits.

powerbubba · 04-14-2004, 05:05 PM

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One problem is content photographers don't understand how to shoot it right.

It's like photographers who think a girl with a collar and a piece of rope around her hahahaha is bondage.

Good quality content if more than just a girl in a black fright wig.

I agree. I've been looking at different goth sites in preparation of launching one potentially this weekend. There are a lot of pics where they take some girl who just dyed her hair, has tattoos, or whatever, and call that goth.

Here's our site so far -

http://207.44.241.103/

It's an IP address because we're changing hosts this week (DNS propogation), we're launching with crowscrypt.com .

Brujah · 04-14-2004, 10:09 PM

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Originally posted by SykkBoy2
content photographers don't understand how to shoot it right.

It's like photographers who think a girl with a collar and a piece of rope around her hahahaha is bondage.

Good quality content if more than just a girl in a black fright wig.

It's easy to shoot a blonde 18 year old, hell ANYONE can shoot that, but it takes some skill to properly shoot goth, fetish, etc.

Yes! This was the correct answer.

Steve · 04-14-2004, 10:10 PM

bright light scares the models?

SilverTab · 04-14-2004, 10:21 PM

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Originally posted by SykkBoy2
One problem is content photographers don't understand how to shoot it right.

It's like photographers who think a girl with a collar and a piece of rope around her hahahaha is bondage.

Good quality content if more than just a girl in a black fright wig.

It's easy to shoot a blonde 18 year old, hell ANYONE can shoot that, but it takes some skill to properly shoot goth, fetish, etc.

As for them all looking alkje...um, I feel the same way about the Vivid girls.

Also, the "fat and ugly" comment...um, you know some goth fans like their women a bit bigger...

Amelia and Forrest have some of the best goth content out there because they know the scene and understand it.

Very true!... anyone who really enjoy goth content can tell if it's just a regular model in disguise or a real goth girl posing.... Suicidegirl.com is definitly the place for real goth fans...Personally I prefer hXc girls with full arm tattoos and emo haircut

and suicidegirl has plenty of those too

SilverTab · 04-14-2004, 10:25 PM

mmmmm now that's more my type

Honeyslut · 04-14-2004, 10:53 PM

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Originally posted by m2mm

Yes, I think, that the market for gothic not large. I have constant sales, but they not so large.

Cause you don't answer your emails

Mutt · 04-14-2004, 11:23 PM

Brujah icq me 174676830

yeah i agree, goth, raver, punk - the photographer has got to have a feel for it to shoot good stuff.

AmeliaG · 04-14-2004, 11:41 PM

Thanks for the kind words Brujah, EscortBiz, and Sykkboy! Obviously ForrestBlack and I shoot most of our content, but I license pretty much every set which comes available for license which I feel fits. And it ain't much. I wish more people would shoot latex and rubber content of pretty girls which I could license for Blue Blood's Rubber Dollies. The latex and rubber niche is another one where barely anyone shoots it and people try to sell content that really is not on topic i.e. PVC lingerie and patent boots might be shiny, but they are not rubber and it baffles and irks me that anyone could think they are.

SykkBoy · 04-15-2004, 12:09 AM

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Originally posted by SilverTab

mmmmm now that's more my type

one day Dana Darkness and I will get married and have a bunch of babies and endless sex marathons all day long...some day...

Paul Markham · 04-15-2004, 01:01 AM

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Originally posted by EscortBiz

To make money in fetish you have to shoot exclsuive stuff, anything real niche goes around the internet in 5 minutes because everyone buys the same content, so best bet is exclusive only.

A set on our site will sell 10 times as a video, stills set and video+stills set. At $35, $35 and $70, sell it ten times in the first three months and we turn over $1400.

Tell me the Fetish site who will pay that for an exclusive set?

The money for the producer is not in exclusive, it's in GOOD non-exclusive.

Mr. Marks · 04-15-2004, 01:01 AM

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04-13-2004, 08:41 PM	#1
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	What are some of the reasons good gothic content is so rare ? This goes for both video and images. Amelia does a great job shooting it, but I'm talking about all the content providers. People you can actually license content from. The niche continues to grow fast, but there's a big lack of decent content for it. I think maybe it's because it lacks definition for a lot of photographers. They don't know what to shoot. Too much risk for them, that they may not shoot it right and not be able to sell it ? Or is there not enough of a demand for it even though there are threads practically every week looking for it ? __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

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AMADude Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 3,875	Probably not enough demand. __________________ No sig, just here to fuck around.

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AMADude Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 3,875	I'll talk to Joe about it... Shouldnt be that hard to find Goth girls in LA and Vegas. Especially if they are needed for exclusive. If they are, we will find them! Hit us up. __________________ No sig, just here to fuck around.

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CamChicks Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: godless northwest Posts: 1,552	IMHO, very generally speaking, "goth" girls usually possess above average intelligence, and come from higher income families. They are better educated and less likely to need to turn to porn to support themselves. If they do have an interest in modeling, they see a clear distinction between 'artistic' nudes and 'porn'. Even then, the photographer/site needs to have the sort of credibility that makes it "cool" to be involved. It is more likely they'd just start their own site, more for attention than money. Of course, there are always those with out-of-control drug habits to support. For that type, try North Hollywood. __________________ camchicks.com

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Wilber Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: De,Oh,Lei Posts: 1,295	How many goth babe are over 18...not many. Goth is a teen thing and a gothed-up 26 y/o looks weird. My take on it anyway. __________________ Sig NOT for sale

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Wrestlingdiva Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New York! Posts: 182	The problem is most goth girls look exactly alike. Gotta love the girls that shake things up a bit.

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hydro Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Dirty 3rd Posts: 4,216	most of the gothic girls around here are fat and ugly. But if you find good looking ones i guess it would convert great if it was marketed the right way.

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dabomb Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 190	maybe because gothic chicks are ugly and look like they're strung out on heroin?

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HammerALL Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,506	There is certainly something intriguing about the goth girls. I believe that if you did get better looking models that the genre would take off. __________________ Mario Amaral AKA: Hammerall Affiliate Sales \| Email:[email protected] Skype: Hammerall \| ICQ: 190272140

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Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	It's the same with all weird niche and fetish markets. You shoot normal stuff you sell it 20 times, you shoot fetish you sell it 5 times. Numbers are to illustrate a point, not specific. So you ask the guy with the niche site for 4 times the money and he cries he cannot afford it. Plus take into consideration the extra expense shooting the fetish content. Content guys, stick to where the money is. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

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EscortBiz Fuck Checks, CASH only! Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 19,422	same gothics sites have been around forever its a good niche but one of those things that if your not into it and you shoot it you will just produce pure shit. Also remember in this business everyone tries to do what everyone else does, so teen and mature and 5000 versions of reality sites are produced daily, some of the numbers are so small that these guys could make more money delivering pizza in montana. I think there is a demand for good solid gothin content NOT JUST FUCKIN PICTURES, its 2000 and fuckin 4 shoot movies people. Amila does some of the best work ive seen. __________________ Spanking, Medical Fetish, Sleeping, Strap-on Anal Lesbians, Girls Fucking Guys, Handjob site REAL HOT, Shemales, Anal and Ass Licking sites 100% Real EXCLUSIVE with amazing retention, ccbill payouts, lots of content FREE FTP HOSTING Promote the largest and oldest member paid escort site, Converts 10 times better then any dating site, CCBill payouts ICQ# 158802076

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C-Bass Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: th3 1nt3Rwebz Posts: 3,153	I think Gothic models have to be very unique....since that look can make someone look over the edge very easily. So if a girl is not too hot, she wont be able to pull it off __________________ "Unhappy with the riches 'cause you're piss poor morally." Trade traffic? - Highdef Blog

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SykkBoy Jesus loves bacon Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Sin City, Motherfucker Posts: 19,969	One problem is content photographers don't understand how to shoot it right. It's like photographers who think a girl with a collar and a piece of rope around her hahahaha is bondage. Good quality content if more than just a girl in a black fright wig. It's easy to shoot a blonde 18 year old, hell ANYONE can shoot that, but it takes some skill to properly shoot goth, fetish, etc. As for them all looking alkje...um, I feel the same way about the Vivid girls. Also, the "fat and ugly" comment...um, you know some goth fans like their women a bit bigger... Amelia and Forrest have some of the best goth content out there because they know the scene and understand it. __________________ Support my new movie “The Second Coming”

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Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	Brujah icq me 174676830 yeah i agree, goth, raver, punk - the photographer has got to have a feel for it to shoot good stuff. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

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AmeliaG Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 10,585	Thanks for the kind words Brujah, EscortBiz, and Sykkboy! Obviously ForrestBlack and I shoot most of our content, but I license pretty much every set which comes available for license which I feel fits. And it ain't much. I wish more people would shoot latex and rubber content of pretty girls which I could license for Blue Blood's Rubber Dollies. The latex and rubber niche is another one where barely anyone shoots it and people try to sell content that really is not on topic i.e. PVC lingerie and patent boots might be shiny, but they are not rubber and it baffles and irks me that anyone could think they are. __________________ GFY Hall of Famer AltStar Hall of Famer Blue Blood's SpookyCash.com Babe photography portfolio

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