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Old 04-11-2004, 10:59 PM   #101
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This thread is staring to get boring. Aaron can you answer a question regarding hypocrisy in the design industry as it relates to payment terms for me?

Did you get fucked over? Expose them now.
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give it up its over this thread died 2 hours ago! It died before it was POSTED!!!!!


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Yet....You were still compelled to read it and post to it. I would bet money that you are still reading just so you can see my reply.

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I'd pay $500 for $500 worth of AaronM content!
Dont like how I have to give my email address just to look at his content.
Don't like the tone of his voice either. "if you dont like my rules, then dont sighn up"
Well Ill tell you something, I aint gonna sign up with his fucking
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Did you get fucked over? Expose them now.
Not at all. Something I cannot for the life of me figure out though...

I need a shit load of design done for many different projects. Some things (mainstream related) I have no clue what I'm looking for. I have talked to 5 designers, 4 of which are from the adult school of design. I like adult designers because they are the most out of the box and creative in my opinion. Problem is, they all want paid upfront, usually 100%. I don't understand how they can ask this for a project that is based on an unknown.

I mean, for example, I need a new logo, company letterhead, site design, and some additional graphics designed that all center around the same new company. These guys want the money up front and when I ask why it's always because they have been screwed on projects before. OK, no problem. I have refernces and I would be willing to give up the AmEx number as collateral, but for G*d's sake, 2-3 k deposit on something they nor I have a clue what it will even look like???

What ever happened to concept designing?

Just wanted your input on this since we have some time to kill.
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give it up its over this thread died 2 hours ago! It died before it was POSTED!!!!!


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How did it die? Midnight PST is 3:00a.m. EST, and my clock says 2:15a.m. right now...
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Dont like how I have to give my email address just to look at his content.
Don't like the tone of his voice either. "if you dont like my rules, then dont sighn up"
Well Ill tell you something, I aint gonna sign up with his fucking
website for my content.
There are plenty more content providors out there, with more
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I don't give a fuck what you like.

I hope I have made myself perfectly clear.

Chances are that you can't afford to do business with me anyway.
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Not at all. Something I cannot for the life of me figure out though...

I need a shit load of design done for many different projects. Some things (mainstream related) I have no clue what I'm looking for. I have talked to 5 designers, 4 of which are from the adult school of design. I like adult designers because they are the most out of the box and creative in my opinion. Problem is, they all want paid upfront, usually 100%. I don't understand how they can ask this for a project that is based on an unknown.

I mean, for example, I need a new logo, company letterhead, site design, and some additional graphics designed that all center around the same new company. These guys want the money up front and when I ask why it's always because they have been screwed on projects before. OK, no problem. I have refernces and I would be willing to give up the AmEx number as collateral, but for G*d's sake, 2-3 k deposit on something they nor I have a clue what it will even look like???

What ever happened to concept designing?

Just wanted your input on this since we have some time to kill.

This is where it pays to be well known. I understand your concern but I do the same with my content sales. 100% upfront or I don't even set the shoot up. I have been screwed over in the past and left holding a bag full of custom content that others may never even want.

I have been working with 2 designers lately and neither of them have requested a dime until the projects were complete. Both of them gave me conceptual designs prior to getting too far into it and then we worked from there.

I'm not suggesting that these guys would do the same for you simply because they may not know you but I will be happy to put you in touch with them if you like. Hit me up on ICQ for their contact info.
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Yep but the clock is ticking and it is not looking good.

Hey bro...If you want $500 in content just ask me and it's yours.
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This is where it pays to be well known. I understand your concern but I do the same with my content sales. 100% upfront or I don't even set the shoot up. I have been screwed over in the past and left holding a bag full of custom content that others may never even want.

I have been working with 2 designers lately and neither of them have requested a dime until the projects were complete. Both of them gave me conceptual designs prior to getting too far into it and then we worked from there.

I'm not suggesting that these guys would do the same for you simply because they may not know you but I will be happy to put you in touch with them if you like. Hit me up on ICQ for their contact info.
Thanks four your reply, it makes perfect sense and this was along the lines of what I was thinking. Being new around these parts doesn't help my rep and that's understandable.

I'm at home tonight after a huge Easter din-din, and I don't have ICQ on this laptop. I'll shoot you a message tomorrow or sometime next week if it's cool, I know you are traveling quite a bit anyway lately.

If you speak with them between now and then, let them know the design(s) are for an extreme sports company and there will be a lot of steady work if they have the time.

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2k - 3k is standard procedure for superb designers.
In adult 2-3K for a site is never an issue with the right clients.

Nickels and dimes are not worth the pain and hustle for a good designer, though some will settle for the headache.

Aaron - I Definatly can use the content to market you in the future bro!

Its a deal and with a huge thanks!
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For anyone just entering this thread....

I don't need the content but it would be nice to see someone win it. So come on and participate a little and help someone out! I'll keep posting to help get the number up close to 500 if you all jump in as well.
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2k - 3k is standard procedure for superb designers.
In adult 2-3K for a site is never an issue with the right clients.

Nickels and dimes are not worth the pain and hustle for a good designer, though some will settle for the headache.

Aaron - I Definatly can use the content to market you in the future bro!

Its a deal and with a huge thanks!

No problem man...Just go through my store and add the sets you want to the shopping cart then choose the option to mail in the payment. I will process the order as soon as I get the email.


BTW newbreed........AlienQ is one of the 2 designers I just mentioned.
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2k - 3k is standard procedure for superb designers.
In adult 2-3K for a site is never an issue with the right clients.

Nickels and dimes are not worth the pain and hustle for a good designer, though some will settle for the headache.

Aaron - I Definatly can use the content to market you in the future bro!

Its a deal and with a huge thanks!
I agree, it's the unwillingness of some designers to not offer any type of concept that gets me. Money is not a problem for us on this end. For ex. when we were ready to buy content for the sites in our program we werw allowed to have access to samples of exactly what we were buying. No problem there, and after we approved of the samples we dropped almost 5k immediately, done deal. The designer that did the sites in our program offered a bulk deal of 5 sites for $8,000. Again, no problem, as we have seen the work and know the value of the design. But on these other projects, offering some adult designers the opportunity to diversify into mainstream (as some threads here in the past have made mention to that trend) I would have thought that some designers would jump at the chance to give it a shot and offer some concepts. I'm talking about some brandable graphics that will be put on thousands of products and seen on National and possibly World-wide TV and cable channels.

Anyway, thanks for your input, it's well regarded!
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No problem man...Just go through my store and add the sets you want to the shopping cart then choose the option to mail in the payment. I will process the order as soon as I get the email.


BTW newbreed........AlienQ is one of the 2 designers I just mentioned.
Good to know, but I'm pretty sure he's busy for months to come...

However, Alien, if your still awake, I need some designs done for use on snowboard decks. If you are interested please let me know here and I'll hit you up tomorrow (Monday).
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Come on peeps, time's almost up.

Where the fuck is Juicy?
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Anyone else watching Cique de Solel on Bravo?
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Roughly 20 minutes left...It ain't gonna happen folks.

Oh well...I already gave away $500 in content in this thread.
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At least I hit 700 tonight. That's good for something I geuss.
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If it's any solice thier were over 500 views...
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Fuck it.

If it happens I'll throw in an X-Box also to the winner (even if Nader wins).
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OK, I'll also throw in a 30 day pass to www.ArikaAmes.com when it launches next week.
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No shit. Did you see what I wrote earlier to you?
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holy shit, that's got to be worth what, like $19.95 to the average surfer who wants amateur porn?
How do you eat when you give away stuff like this?
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holy shit, that's got to be worth what - $19.95 ?
How do you eat when you give away stuff like this?
Just trying to add some steam to the engine here.
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holy shit, that's got to be worth what, like $19.95 ?
How do you eat when you give away stuff like this?

Don't be a dick...The guy also offered an X-Box. What have you done?
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Don't be a dick...They guy also offered an X-Box. What have you done?
Not read this entire thread.
Besides, I'm taking a break from some work and coming here for some GFY entertainment .
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Definatly would love to see what can be done there

Gimme a shout tomarrow
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