Fuck a draft... Fuck a war... Put the leaders of all the countries into a giant arena and let them take each other out.

They're the only people with soemthing to gain.. Everyhahahaha else has something to lose. I'd never fight for anyhahahaha who refers to me as a number. I pay my taxes, got my education and I donate to many charities. I have no religious interests, financial interests or hatred towards anyhahahaha that would constitute me going to war.

If this country was under attack and we could pinpoint a certain society or nation, I'd be all for serving my country...But I WILL never fight in some fake ass war that is only taking place to fill the pockets of a fucking ape.

With that said, I'll never be forced to fight in a war. I'm an only child with asthma, a bad shoulder and I own my own business. Just because I'm exempt doesn't mean I'm not feeling bad for those forced into this position. I really hope it never comes down to this. :(

To say "to be a meat shield for haliburton" is a radical statement and is not applicable to the reality of the "mission" in Iraq. The mission in Iraq is to establish a Democratic Republic in the midst of an area of the world whose people...in general...are enemies of the Western world and their way of life. To establish a "jewel" in the mid-East in an effort to change the face of the mid-east...not for the benefit...per se...of the those people...but for the benefit of the Western world. In other words the mission in Iraq is an extention upon the war on "terrorism" and is a forward thinking long term goal. The troops in Iraq are there in defense of this country against its enemies as well as the enemies of the Western world in general.

As...for you feeling it is your "right to decide" whether your country is doing the right thing. Anyone can pick and choose what laws they will...or will not...obey. There of course are consquences for breaking any law. In the case of "draft dogers"...in this country...the consequenc five years in Federal Prison...as well as being ostracized by the majority of society...loss of job opportunities etc....as Americans in general have little use for "draft dogers".

This was the case under the old draft but if the draft is reinstituted...changes have been made to the old draft...what all of the changes are I do not know.

One can volunteer for the military up to age 35...and in the new draft 35 may be the cut off...I do not know...but you may be correct when you say 26 as under the old draft I believe that was the cut off.

Not any more.

that's not old, that's barely mature ( atleast mentally )

Perhaps then, you could tell me what this war is about. I thought it was a way for The Bush Admin to channel taxdollars (and alot of them) to Dick's company.

Who gives a fuck if the majority of society thinks of draft dodging. Not everyone exists for the sole purpose of winning the approval of the masses. Not everyone plays follow the leader. There are still a few people in this goddamn country that are capable of thinking for themselves. Besides, in nearly all cases, history has shown that the majority is usually woefully wrong and it is only until much later in history that everyone wises up to this fact.

People used to bust the balls of the draft dodgers in vietnam. Eventually, however - the masses of society today recognize that not only was the war wrong but also that

Its easy to look back in hindsight and talk about how wrong that war was since it was two generations ago and the so-called patriots arent threatening you and yours. Any pussy can do that. The people who had balls - the real country men - were talking about how it was wrong WHILE IT WAS GOING ON. The same is true today. The people who criticise Bush right now are the real patriots. 10 years from now, everyone will realize that the war was wrong and everyone will blame Bush for it. Its easy to do that 10 years from now.

They arent picking and choosing what laws they are gonna follow. An unconsitutional law is no law at all. Dosent matter how many times you hahahahaha it out, demand complaince or scream about it.

bush is a total fucking idiot

but then again, so are most americans

he will get re elected, even though you guys may hate him

I did give you my opinion about what the war is about. Pay attention in the class room.

These are your opinions...that is all...so be it.

The US is a nation of laws and the sitting Supreme Court...at any point in time...is the protector of...and determiner...of what is constitutional law and what is not...not you and not I. This is the system we have and have had since the beginning.

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you are so fucking funny.
go back to your bottle old man.

Neither of the ?pending legislation? says anything about having to join the military, so all you fucking pussies can be civil servants. The military does not need fat fuckers that would rather waddle to Canada than serve. :1orglaugh

God help us if he does. And if he does, I will be doing alot of shopping at http://www.sportsmansguide.com in the Surplus Ammo section... that and MREs.

UPS will be making a daily delivery.

I never have nor will I ever vote for bush. That being said, you are a fucking psycho. You did the same thing for the Y2K bug?:1orglaugh

You know.. I didn't really have that much of a different view to you before the war, but in everything that has happened afterwards i've had to re-evaluate my position.
we are both fairly pragmatic in that we do acknowledge it was a strategic grab for resources and locale. However, I honestly now do not think Iraq will ever be a shining example of a democratic republic. The US knows this which is why the Iraqi's aren't going to be allowed to hold elections, the governing council are a bunch of ex iraqi's and Saddam oppositionists who fed us total bullshit about their WMD, and we were only to eager to lap it up. And now they're being forced onto Iraq by America.. If they had the right to vote right now it would become an islamic state under majority shiite rule and basically an Iran clone, who are currently supporting the guerilla resistance financially and militarily.

I know it's for our benefit, but they way in which we are trying to achieve it doesn't ensure we are actually coming out at an advantage, at this point in time i'm not even sure it's a good thing that Saddam is gone, at least he crushed the islamic fundies with an iron fist. As long as he kept Iraq oil currency as US dollars and was contained he's probably a bigger asset then the current situation is shaping up to be.

personally for me it's looking like I would have rathered spend 80 billion on giving the CIA and NSA some serious kahoonas and quadrupling the intelligence community/muslim informant network.

I'd like to know whats being done about the actual and real threats to us from saudi arabia and pakistan as opposed to strategic aquisitions.

related to picking and choosing laws, yes I will choose to disobey a law I find immoral/useless/politically-religiously motivated/whatever and I don't give a flying fuck what anyone could possibly think about that decision.
Politicians are the most corrupt bunch of self serving leeches this side of the police force. I probably cannot express to you the total lack of hesitation in breaking and utter contempt I would feel for such a law.
I never speed, never drink drive, never cause any sort of disturbance, but when it comes to freedom of choice, unless my freedom is being threatened by someone other than the government I will not comply.
In this situation I would rather join the intelligence services to do some actual good rather than gambling in Iraq.

I suspect that you are correct about the type of government the majority would vote for if given the opportunity at this point in time...but we hope to change that view point. We do not have any intentions of allowing free elections being held with a "theocratic" option.

If you recall I said from the very beginning that to defeat the Iraqi Army would be a cake walk (I predicted 10 days and it took...what was it 21 or 24) and to "win the peace" ie establish a stable Democratic Republic would probably take years if not decades. I also questioned if we would be sucessful as my primary concern was/is the people of the US supporting such a long term goal. This is still a point of debate but for the present the people are still supporting the mission..but as time drags on and if casualties increase to large numbers (the casualty rates are insignificant at this point) the support will undoubtedly change. In the meantime I think the effort is laudible and I hope that the mission succeeds.

I to am a law abiding citizen...but I am aware that there are some laws that I will not abide by...if push comes to shove. An example would be...if anyone breaks into my home while I am present...I will hahahahahahaha them...and discover later if they were actually a threat to my well being...or not. The law in California was that you could only use deadly force if confronted by deadly force. I have relocated and do not know what the law is in the current state I live in...and I do not care...as I know what my response will be. There are other laws that I would knowingly and with fore thought...break given a circumstance or circumstances. I am also aware what the consequences are that I may have to pay for my action.

The haha word was e-x-e-c-u-t-e.

Ya'll stop picking on Kingie! He stuffed a lot of parachutes in those 12 years! And MOST of them even worked!

And...yes I remember your views prior to the war...as do I remember CD's views...which since they somewhat correlated with my views...I thought they were good views. :1orglaugh

In the "old draft" it was 35.

IF they allow student deferments this time around.
Last time around, I'm pretty sure it was only for 4 years max.

FYI...Riggers pack chutes...and I was not a Rigger. And yes...most of my parachutes worked as advertised...a few did not.

No. I did not buy anything for Y2K. I knew the world wasn't ending then. And I already had a backup generator well before then and a stock of MREs and other emergency stuff. I had all that shit well before Y2K hit. I started collecting it at about 16 years old.

I believe that I will see a revolutionary war before I die. I expect The United States Government to collapse within the next two decades. I expect inflation to start running away soon. It already is in some areas.

When all this happens, there will be alot of people out of work, broke and homeless. It will make the great depression look like high society. When that happens, the masses will finally awake from their slumber and figure out the things that I and a handful of people already have figured out with regard to the government.

When this happens, they will demand that their government leaders step down. The leaders, will of course tell the citizenry to go fuck themselves and then the shooting will begin and within a matter of weeks, we will have a full blown war.

And believe you me, I will shoot some of the people in line if I have to so I can be the first one to get my name on the signup form for the rebel army.

Most people think I am nuts when I explain this to them. Be that as it may. And if you would have told people 100 years ago you'd be able to peck out a message on a little keyboard and hit send on a button that appeared on a TV-like device and ten seconds later that message would be in Spain - they would have thought the same thing and probably would have given you a lobotomy.

Print a copy of this post and look back at it in 20 years and you'll see.

me and you share the same idea synergysex, except im thinking something around 10 years.

I would fight for my country because I
know it's for our future.