It shouldn't come as any suprise that a draft may be a real possibility again. ESPECIALLY if Bush gets re-elected and continues to insist that we stay in Iraq.

BEFORE the Iraqi war even began, the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs testified before Congress that he thought over 300,000 soldiers would be needed (almost 3 times the current amount) to "subdue" the country, and would have to stay for many years.

Well, with 125,000 currently in Iraq, and our military stretched thin around the world..WHERE will Bush & Co. get the "BODIES" they need to "pacify" Iraq?

They'll have to draft them! :feels-hot

Every eighteen year old has to register for the draft by law.

well then.. that explains why he made us then i guess..

sweet.. i got a good grade for something i had to legally do anyway :Graucho

Fuck that I could give a shit less if I live here or any other country. I live barely above the poverty level and I don't want to and won't be drafted for the governments shit. The day I join the military is the day I see Bush and his family in the front lines being shot at.

Well, considering that we still have soldiers deployed in Vietnam and Germany from those wars and they supposedly ended several decades ago... I would say that's probably an accurate statement.

So arrest me. I never filled out the fucking form and I never will. I will not endorse a flawed system by signing up for something that I dont believe in.

ya send all the people with money goto war and let the low lifes on welfare run every thing great call :321GFY

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

If signup ratios get any lower I'm going to volunteer again.:Graucho

lmao...

Some people do make the choice to be a criminal...to refuse to be drafted is a felony and has a five year sentence in Federal Prison.

Just because some dickwad made a law dosent make it right or consitutional. I have a consitutional right NOT to serve based on that little part about the right to LIFE.

And as my friend who is a law student and working on the computer next to me just messaged over to me on AIM...

"An unconstitutional act is not a law; it confers no rights; it imposes no duties; it affords no protection; it creates no office; it is in legal contemplation, as inoperative as though it had never been passed." Norton v. Shelby County, 118 US 425 (1885)

Well, at least federal joints have cable TV or so I hear. Wonder if they get TechTV on the expanded digital plan?

The draft was first instituted during the Civil War and has stood the test of the court and it is the court that determines what is constitutional and what is not.

Can you really see another draft as a possibility? I can't see how Americans would stand for one again. Surely they'd have to be coerced by the govt and I don't really want to think about how that would work out.<br><BR>

If anyone can stand for the 'war on terror' that will most likely be going on another 100 years or so then i'd say that they should also 'stand' for the draft.

Yes, maybe so.

But the constitution determines what is constitutional and what is not. Just because a few guys with powdered wigs sit on high chairs and pass judgment on things they often neither understand nor are capable of comprehending

Today's Supreme Court - when filled with the type conservative Republican nutcases that Bush has chosen to fill it with - doesn't even apply the constitutional principles of the constitution. Instead, they do what is politically correct, expedient and inexpensive and/or profitable for them.

I will add that anyone who ever said "let's get Sadam" should be the first drafted. Put you ass where you mouth is(in the enemies face).

But anyone who doesn't drum up violence and respects other cultures has my blessing if they dodge the draft.

I just think it's time for blabber mouth trouble starters to put their ass on the line for a change.

To the best of my knowledge President Bush has not made any Supreme Court appointments. None the less whoever sits on the Supreme Court at any given point in time determines what laws are constitutional and what laws do not stand the test. What is criminal and what is not criminal and they have taken the position that doging the draft is a criminal act.

Some people choose to be law abiding citizens...some people choose to be criminals.

What is a country but a place that is home to a community of people? There would be no services in a country if its people didn't work and pay taxes. There would be no culture without people. Whether a country is a democracy or a dictatorship is determined by its people. And so on.

In other words, everything that makes a country more than a piece of land, all of what you describe as benefits, are provided by the people themselves. Day in day out, simply by living, doing what we do, thinking as we do, we define our country.

Even when military action is necessary to defend a country, the troops have to be armed and fed. There must be a country worth coming back to when the fighting is over. There is never a time when the only way to serve is in uniform.

Your kind of statement is emotive rhetoric intended to make people feel guilty about speaking out when they perceive that peoples' lives are being spent, not in defense of country, but in pursuit of political ideology or personal gain.

Since theking thinks he is better than us (smut mongers being the bottom of the totem pole per his words) anyone having discourse with him is muddying his feet up.

King *I* think you fell off the back of that truck on purpose, to hurt yourself just so you didn't have to peel any more potatoes for the real fighting men. Didn't like mucking about with the 'common man' or something?! Or just see the chance for a life of leisure on your huge 'pension'. lmao

Why not stick your head in the toilet and flush repeatedly... it might clear your mind.

If you had that attitude in service as a combat soldier, they would have brought you home ziplocked.

People have every right to speak out in this country but they do not have every right to break the law or to incite others to do so. Registering for the draft is a law...and violating that law is a criminal act. Thus I repeat some choose to be criminals...most do not. I do not have anything but contempt for criminals.

Ah...those seated in the gallery...weigh in. You can think what you like. I do not have any idea what "truck" you are talking about...are you related to Charly by chance?

I was Airborne Infantry my entire 12 years of service...was an E-7 Platoon Sgt. when I left the Army. FYI peeling potatoes (KP) has not been in place since just about the time the all Volunteer Army came into being. FYI...I almost came home in a hahahaha bag on more than one occasion...and really wish that I had...instead of being in my current physical state...thank you very much.

Exactly what does any of that have to do with the words of yours that I quoted, or my response to them?

Freedom of speech wasn't mentioned. Breaking the law or inciting others to do so wasn't mentioned. The draft wasn't mentioned.

You're a hypocritical wannabe that barely makes it as a keyboard warrior. Sgt the BEST you could do in 12 yrs?!?! Wow!

Whyn't take your too good for us attitude and go somewhere that might like you. The more I think about your comments of a couple of nights ago, the sicker I get watching you spew.

So what WAS your CK? And I'm not talking about the 'Depends' that you went thru when you heard live fire from a few miles behind the line or at the staging areas.

You do Dubya proud with all your twisted logic. Oh and just FYI... *I* do not need Charly or feel the need to back him up with you. A 12 yo has you outwitted in most cases.

Pay close attention to "speaking out".

FYI...E-7 is right on the career track and ahead of some and an E-7 is a Senior NCO.

I go where I please...thank you very much.

What I did...or did not do is not any of your business...now is it...and besides it has been stated before multiple times.

To bad you are not equal to a 12 year old. You are fucking dismissed oh mighty Amazon Huntress.

uh huh.. breaking the law usually is.
Even those criminals serving in the U.S military and fighting in wars for the nation instead of doing time behind bars?

Those with criminal records are not allowed the previlige of serving their country in uniform.

Even certain misdemeanors can deny one the previlige of serving in uniform.

Hmm...mispelled previlege twice in a row. One Budweiser to many tonight I guess.

Well i may be mistaken or have incorrect information but i'm sure i've seen atleast one post by someone here about a relative serving in Iraq after choosing to join the military rather than do time.

Any such story...is BS...posted by someone that does not know anything about the military. No felony convictions...period...and as I stated some misdemeanors can deny one the previlige and certainly multiple misemeanors of any type will.

After re-reading your post...I am speaking about convictions...and maybe you are not. I suppose it is conceivable that a judge somewhere would agree to dismiss charges on a relatively minor offense if the defendant would agree to join the military. But even an arrest record...without conviction can be a factor in denying one the previlege of serving. When recruiting is easily meeting its goals the standards for enlistment are higher than if recruiting levels are not being met.

good! need to start weeding out some of these stupid ganster and wankster kids and nothing like a vietnam to do it.

I'm not gonna read this whole fucking thread, cause i'm sure people are blaming Bush for this....

but wasn't that bill proposed by two democrats?

Representative Rangel
http://www.vote-smart.org/bio.php?can_id=H2690103

Senator Hollings
http://www.vote-smart.org/bio.php?can_id=S0790103

I am not ready to die for any president but i am ready to die if someone step in my city to attack me:thumbsup

In this case I would gladly and proudly be a criminal than be shipped off to be a meat shield for haliburton. If there was a badge I'd wear it. The Iraqi's are starting to say it was better under Saddam. Fuck getting a bullet for some ungrateful sand ******.
There are plenty of other wars and interventions that I feel were justified and wouldn't hesitate being a part of, just not this one.
If I'm going to give my life for my country I feel it's my right to decide whether my country is doing the right thing first.

I dont like Democrats either. They are just as bad as Bush.

And if you all wanna be a human shield for Halliburton, go right ahead. Wanna fight to free weak people who dont have the resolve to fight the government that THEY put into power, be my guest. Given a choice between that and being a "criminal", I'll proudly be a criminal.

By the time there is any chance at a draft I will be to old :1orglaugh

what is the age ceiling for the draft?

correct me if im wrong but arent you exempt from a draft if you are attending a college/school?

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