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Old 04-02-2004, 02:57 PM   #51
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And what a beautiful nation of tan-looking people we will be.
Kill Whitey!
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Old 04-02-2004, 03:02 PM   #52
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OMG you mean there are actually people on this board who like America? I am amazed.


All joking aside AMERICA ROCKS BABY and if you don't like it get the fuck out!!!!


I can't stand those Chicken Little on here. "The sky is falling the sky is falling." Live in fear if you want it's your life and it's fear you have to carry through it.
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Old 04-02-2004, 03:08 PM   #53
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Wow, now I'm in the KKK for stating the obvious. What happened to South Africa? And Egypt?

I used to like US myself, too bad the writing on the wall says something we don't necessarily like.
The only thing that you have pointed out is that the white race is declining in the USA.......

How does that impact the economic growth/ stability of a country unless of course you are implying that this statistic is indicative that without a dominant WHITE population this nation will perish....which as you can see makes you a racist and yes comparable to the KKK

in summation fewer white people spells disaster for the USA

you are the one who broughtit to the table now eat that shit

you are implying that our Latin, Black, Asian, Persian, Italian, Indian, and every ethnic group that is not a WASP is incapable of leading this country to a prosperous future............

This country will only be stregthened by having a multi-cultural backbone
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Old 04-02-2004, 03:11 PM   #54
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The only thing that you have pointed out is that the white race is declining in the USA.......

How does that impact the economic growth/ stability of a country unless of course you are implying that this statistic is indicative that without a dominant WHITE population this nation will perish....which as you can see makes you a racist and yes comparable to the KKK

in summation fewer white people spells disaster for the USA

you are the one who broughtit to the table now eat that shit

you are implying that our Latin, Black, Asian, Persian, Italian, Indian, and every ethnic group that is not a WASP is incapable of leading this country to a prosperous future............

This country will only be stregthened by having a multi-cultural backbone
How exactly will it be "stregthened" by being dominated by these perfect rainbow people from heaven? Seriously, I have tried to get a straight answer on that one for years. What "stregth," beyond better availability of exotic foods and translators, do we get out of this extermination deal?

You are thinking with your pride rather than with your rationality. What's more, you are just as "racist" as you accuse me of being.
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what does race have to do with this?

people say that it is the ethnic diversity that has helped the US.
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Old 04-02-2004, 03:47 PM   #57
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Cause we live in the best nation in the world, bitches!!!
And the vast majority of Americans who don't possess passports and yet still make this claim are in a position to do so because......
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Old 04-02-2004, 04:02 PM   #59
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And the vast majority of Americans who don't possess passports and yet still make this claim are in a position to do so because......
This statement was made by me and I have a passport.

I'm rich, bitch!
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How exactly will it be "stregthened" by being dominated by these perfect rainbow people from heaven? Seriously, I have tried to get a straight answer on that one for years. What "stregth," beyond better availability of exotic foods and translators, do we get out of this extermination deal?

You are thinking with your pride rather than with your rationality. What's more, you are just as "racist" as you accuse me of being.
There's a reason the U.S. is the cultural center of the world and all great art, music, and entertainment has come from our shores for the last 200 years. When you get all these cultures together in one place they feed off each other and create a new culture, one you won't find anywhere else in the world.
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Holy crap, I think you actually believe that.
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There's a reason the U.S. is the cultural center of the world and all great art, music, and entertainment has come from our shores for the last 200 years.


I can't stop laughing!
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Okay, what worldwide cultural movement of the last century haven't originated in the United States. Please list a few.

For that matter, what scientific advancements have we NOT been responsible for?
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Cocky Americans need to be stripped from their ATM cards & cell phones then forced to spend 2 years living in a 3rd world nation, with the locals.

There would be no more cocky Americans.
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Old 04-02-2004, 04:48 PM   #68
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There would be no more cocky Americans.
you are still here.....isnt there a flight out tonight on third world air?????
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Cocky Americans need to be stripped from their ATM cards & cell phones then forced to spend 2 years living in a 3rd world nation, with the locals.

There would be no more cocky Americans.
So if I appreciate America to the point of cockiness about it being the greatest country in the world, I should be shipped to a 3rd world country I already know is shitty?

And how exactly would this make me less cocky about the superiority of America? If anything, that would make me appreciate being American even more and make me more vocal about it.
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There would be no more cocky Americans.
that's a crock of shit. We'd be twice as cocky when we got back home cuz we'd actually know how much better we have it instead of just speculating like we do now
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Old 04-02-2004, 04:59 PM   #71
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i love america but personaly i think if i had a different life was born and raised else where i would have a completly different oppinion on america

everyone loves their home

i would fight, kill, die for my country
shit even for my city

but i think i would think the same no matter where i was accustomed to living too

its hard to think outside the box on a topic such as this

but one thing is certin we would be alot better of a country if we never had elected clinton and bush
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Okay, what worldwide cultural movement of the last century haven't originated in the United States. Please list a few.

For that matter, what scientific advancements have we NOT been responsible for?
Hahahaha... you do amuse me.

Lets look at the arts shall we.

Music: Sure Jazz, Blues and Rock and Roll are American but all were black American movements. The descendants of the people you dragged from Africa in chains are responsible for any significant musical genre of the last century that emerged from your country. I wonder how "American" they felt. And just recently The Beatles were rated the most influential musical act of the last century by an extensive survey of musicians themselves. Influence is one of the defining attributes of important art.

Film: Anyone who has studied film, and I did for three years knows that early in film history the Russians and Germans were the early pioneers. Hell, the world's first feature length movie was made in Australia. America is good at making big, empty, expensive blockbusters. Don't confuse art and commerce. Just because something is popular doesn't make it important, good or influential.

I could go on about science if I didn't have other things to do. Explain to you that most of your great scientists of the last hundred years were Europeans living in America. Where do you think Einstein came from? Duh! And that you didn't invent half of the things you think you did, the television for example.

But I know your Americanism is like a warm, snuggly blanket that keeps you warm at night. Whatever I say is going to go in one ear and out ther other. So why bother?
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Old 04-02-2004, 05:08 PM   #73
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it goes like this: "....and the dream lives on"
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I could go on about science if I didn't have other things to do.
Nice cover for having nothign to support your argument.
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Explain to you that most of your great scientists of the last hundred years were Europeans living in America.
Gee... I wonder why they came to this pisshole???

Einstein hated America so much he came over here then helped us develop the most powerful weapon known to man.

Get a grip and stop the hate.

Its ok to be pro-(insert your country here) but all you haters just make youself look stupid.

I don't know of any other country that is attacked or ridiculed more than america (Maybe france). ITs a small price to pay for being on top.

I suggest all of you "haters" stop using any and all sponsors that deal exclusivily in US currency as well as break all ties with any americans you may deal with.

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So how many of the worldly Europeans, have LIVED in the US?
I have.. never again. America is so repressive, and opressive. At the moment I don't even have any desire to visit, which is a shame because it's a beautiful country. It's just a fucked up society.
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I have.. never again. America is so repressive, and opressive. At the moment I don't even have any desire to visit, which is a shame because it's a beautiful country. It's just a fucked up society.
I'd love examples of how you were repressed and opressed.
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You didn't tear down shit.

All you did is agree that most of the great scientists you claim as your own were actually Europeans.

That's because its true.
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LOL, you didn't tear him down, except in your own mind maybe...his post was a response to what prictor had said, you went off on a complete tangent
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LOL, you didn't tear him down, except in your own mind maybe...his post was a response to what prictor had said, you went off on a complete tangent
Explain how I went off on a tangent?


Your a lieing moron. You still dislike me from the whole paris hilton DRM fiasco when you claimed to have cracked DRM.
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Explain how I went off on a tangent?
You didn't totally misunderstand the reason for his post?
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hehe, wtf are you talking about? I was just fucking around, you're the only one who got pissed off as far as I remember
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Damnit, I hate having people on my ignore list but your gonna have to join IPK, sorry.
LOL, you're a total moron. Swinging at you? heh
Looks like YOU'RE the one who's still pissed about the Paris Hilton thing
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Hahahaha... you do amuse me.

Lets look at the arts shall we.

Music: Sure Jazz, Blues and Rock and Roll are American but all were black American movements. The descendants of the people you dragged from Africa in chains are responsible for any significant musical genre of the last century that emerged from your country. I wonder how "American" they felt. And just recently The Beatles were rated the most influential musical act of the last century by an extensive survey of musicians themselves. Influence is one of the defining attributes of important art.

Film: Anyone who has studied film, and I did for three years knows that early in film history the Russians and Germans were the early pioneers. Hell, the world's first feature length movie was made in Australia. America is good at making big, empty, expensive blockbusters. Don't confuse art and commerce. Just because something is popular doesn't make it important, good or influential.

I could go on about science if I didn't have other things to do. Explain to you that most of your great scientists of the last hundred years were Europeans living in America. Where do you think Einstein came from? Duh! And that you didn't invent half of the things you think you did, the television for example.

But I know your Americanism is like a warm, snuggly blanket that keeps you warm at night. Whatever I say is going to go in one ear and out ther other. So why bother?
Okay, black people were slaves in America but there were also slaves in Africa, Europe, and other parts of the world. So did we just get the musically talented black folk as slaves or what, because I don't see the continent of Africa putting out a lot of influential modern music.

As for The Beatles, they embraced American culture and American culture embraced them. As Homer Simpson said while visiting England, "America rules! Our Beatles are way better than your Rolling Stones."

As for film, it was my minor for 4 years. Now you could argue that there were great films produced in France, Italy, and other parts of Europe, but Russia and Germany? You have to be talking about technology and not art.

I'm not a fan of Hollywood schlock. I hate a happy ending in a film, what they call an American ending. But there are dozens of great independent films produced in this country every year. And the Hollywood stuff, while not high art, actually had more cultural influence than the artistic stuff.
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America is the greatest civilization on earth to date.

Rictor is right that it has been the center for world culture for quite some time now for entertainment and science.

Beatles - never would have existed without American musical influences

Einstein - fled his homeland for America where he wouldn't be killed for being Jewish. Sure, he wasn't American by birth but only within the American infrastructure did he become the Einstein we celebrate today.

Science - The Industrial Revolution started in England but America quickly became the leaders in all things industrious whether it's the Intel chip, the automobile, or the sky scraper.

America also has dark roots and ones that continue to this day. There is also a face of America that other counties see but that is hidden from American citizens such as our true role in many of the unnecessary or pre-emptive wars of past and present (Vietnam and now Iraq).

Still, I don't think anybody can really deny American standing in world culture. We are strong because we all the cultures here provide a dynamic found nowhere else. There can be no Hitleresque Nazi regime here because our population is too heterogenous. This fact provides a sort of checks and balances by itself.

Nobody knows what the future holds. America is and has always been a unique example in human history.

Growing debt, illegal immigration, majority of high tech jobs being sent overseas, being involved in a war with an inescapable precendent does worry me though. Our overwhelming strength and affluence may be our downfall as greed and displays of overzealous power on a global level begin to take their toll.

The American people are a resilient, industrious, ingenious people. We have over time become more soft and not very well informed. Even with our strengths I fear if these things will be enough to sustain us as leaders in the ever changing global community.

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Okay, what worldwide cultural movement of the last century haven't originated in the United States. Please list a few.

For that matter, what scientific advancements have we NOT been responsible for?
You just answered your original question: the reason Americans are so cocky is because of their blessed, blind ignorance.

And I hate saying that because this is a wonderful country. I spent part of my schooldays here, I worked here on and off for most of my adult life, and I have lived here for the past 6 years. I really don't understand why so many Americans seem unable to be proud of their country without resorting to myths and without putting other countries down.

There are many other great countries and like all of them, the US has things which are not so good. A lot of Americans do recognize those truths, but far too many insist that everything American is the best that there is and neither needs nor is capable of improvement. Which is sad, because this country is rich enough that if more people recognized its flaws and refused to accept them, most could be fixed. The US doesn't need to settle for second-rate health care and third-rate education, nor any of the other things which are a consequence of so many living with their heads in the sand.
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Old 04-02-2004, 05:52 PM   #91
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As for film, it was my minor for 4 years. Now you could argue that there were great films produced in France, Italy, and other parts of Europe, but Russia and Germany? You have to be talking about technology and not art.
Have you not heard of German Expressionist film? Herzog? Murnau? Fritz Lang? Films like Sunrise, Nosferatu, the Kabinet of Dr. Kaligari?

And as for the Russians, have you not heard of Sergei Eisenstein and his development of montage editing? Battleship Potempkin? The Odessa Steps sequence?

Nobody pioneed early film art like the Russians and the Germans. Later, the French and Italians became just as important.

How much film history did you actually study?

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I'm not a fan of Hollywood schlock. I hate a happy ending in a film, what they call an American ending. But there are dozens of great independent films produced in this country every year. And the Hollywood stuff, while not high art, actually had more cultural influence than the artistic stuff.
Very true, we have a wide breadth of film making here, some artistic, others more for entertainment only. I can't even think of a sci-fi film made anywhere else but in America by American film makers.
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I'm not a fan of Hollywood schlock. I hate a happy ending in a film, what they call an American ending. But there are dozens of great independent films produced in this country every year. And the Hollywood stuff, while not high art, actually had more cultural influence than the artistic stuff.
Yes, I like a lot of American independent film too.

But I thought we were talking about the origins of the art form?
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You just answered your original question: the reason Americans are so cocky is because of their blessed, blind ignorance.

And I hate saying that because this is a wonderful country. I spent part of my schooldays here, I worked here on and off for most of my adult life, and I have lived here for the past 6 years. I really don't understand why so many Americans seem unable to be proud of their country without resorting to myths and without putting other countries down.

There are many other great countries and like all of them, the US has things which are not so good. A lot of Americans do recognize those truths, but far too many insist that everything American is the best that there is and neither needs nor is capable of improvement. Which is sad, because this country is rich enough that if more people recognized its flaws and refused to accept them, most could be fixed. The US doesn't need to settle for second-rate health care and third-rate education, nor any of the other things which are a consequence of so many living with their heads in the sand.
why would I take the time to pointout all the wonderful qualities in the middle of being bashed....

ok so here goes a crack...

the smelly stuck up spineless french have great wine and art

germans have great cars and sound equipment among an impressive list of technology brekthroughs

our asian friends are amazing with philosophy and electronics

the world has so many cultures that offer great things but the red neck american in everyone of us would just assume say fuck you bring it on........ because we are the ones who have lived with the target on our back....we dont want you to kiss our ass but we sure as fuck wont let you kick it either......
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I'd love examples of how you were repressed and oppressed.
I don't even need to go into personal details.

Repression: Look at the stupid fucking outcry over Janet's tit.

Oppression: Just look at the attack dogs in this thread for stating one opinion against the "state" That happens within the US boundaries to anyone who doesn't worship the flag and the American dream.

As someone says in this thread "why would I take the time to point out all the wonderful qualities in the middle of being bashed...."

The US is not being bashed. This thread was started with the "we are the greatest" vein. Which belittles, or "bashes" the rest of us. Why would we take the time to point out all the wonderful qualities of the US? We have them shoved down our throats at any and all opportunities. If we try to point out that the US is just as good/bad as the rest of us we're told we're jealous/anti-American/bashing the US. So who really does the bashing if the US doesn't want to admit it's no better than the rest?

Look at this thread.. the USers patting themselves on the back for how good they are.. if we don't pat with them we're labelled. That is oppression at it's roots. Not allowing freedom of opinion without punishment for it. It's society wide in the US. It's just not recognised because it's touted from every available soap box that it's the land of freedom and democracy, and it's blindly believed by the masses to the extent they don't even know how controlled they are, how controlled and conforming the whole society is.. even the "democracy" having the choice of one centre right party and a bit more to the right party, what kind of democratic choice is that anyway? Where's the left wing choice? Oh dear can't have that.. the lilly livered liberals or worse the commie bastards might get some power. Again oppression.

There are some parts of the US that I love. But there are equal parts that I hate. Same with every country I've lived in, there's always good and bad. I have no desire to live in that repression or the underhand oppression.
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I don't even need to go into personal details.

Repression: Look at the stupid fucking outcry over Janet's tit.

Oppression: Just look at the attack dogs in this thread for stating one opinion against the "state" That happens within the US boundaries to anyone who doesn't worship the flag and the American dream.

As someone says in this thread "why would I take the time to point out all the wonderful qualities in the middle of being bashed...."

The US is not being bashed. This thread was started with the "we are the greatest" vein. Which belittles, or "bashes" the rest of us. Why would we take the time to point out all the wonderful qualities of the US? We have them shoved down our throats at any and all opportunities. If we try to point out that the US is just as good/bad as the rest of us we're told we're jealous/anti-American/bashing the US. So who really does the bashing if the US doesn't want to admit it's no better than the rest?

Look at this thread.. the USers patting themselves on the back for how good they are.. if we don't pat with them we're labelled. That is oppression at it's roots. Not allowing freedom of opinion without punishment for it. It's society wide in the US. It's just not recognised because it's touted from every available soap box that it's the land of freedom and democracy, and it's blindly believed by the masses to the extent they don't even know how controlled they are, how controlled and conforming the whole society is.. even the "democracy" having the choice of one centre right party and a bit more to the right party, what kind of democratic choice is that anyway? Where's the left wing choice? Oh dear can't have that.. the lilly livered liberals or worse the commie bastards might get some power. Again oppression.

There are some parts of the US that I love. But there are equal parts that I hate. Same with every country I've lived in, there's always good and bad. I have no desire to live in that repression or the underhand oppression.


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