Just for the comment about undercutting..

At that price we can still make money, including space. You have to understand being in Equinix bandwidth is cheaper than other places, and the volumes we buy at is quite a lot. We are FULLY taking advantage of the current (we believe temporary) insane pricing large networks are selling their soul at. Also you have to keep in mind there may be agreements in place for peering, that further lowers the cost per mbit.

Also what has to be figured in is the future potential bringing online a large customer with a big name such as Quiet. Getting folks in the door is the hard part. Word of mouth goes a long ways.

I've just heard this comment we're undercutting the industry too much lately. :) Yes, we are selling very high quality services lower than we will be 6 months. However, it is a calculated business decision in order to get our name out there and show people the level of service we do offer. NOTHING beats word of mouth advertising. Period.

Oh well, sorry for the spam. That comment simply is one of my peeves. :)

-Phil

Webair can hook you up no doubt.

http://www.webair.com :thumbsup

Best hosting, support and price ratio I've come across yet. Been with them over a year!

likewise.

ive been with them since before I started posting on this board.

3+ years now I believe.

wont be moving.

Thanks for the rational comment.

Your argument is week and I know a bead of sweat is dripping off your forehead right with the realism that your whole presence in this industry is nothing more then a parasite on the hard working real webmasters that make the industry the great thing that it is.

If I where you I would trash eveyrthing you have done re-think your goals and attitude and come back with a new strategy.

Good luck.

You will only find out what you really can get doing 200 mbits with that many servers if you talk directly with any hosting company / the President. They are a business of course and they will try to be competitive. If you want to find out what National-Net can offer you, I'd call them up and ask for Tony though he may not be back from Cancun yet. :)

Cheers,
Matt

I don't understand why everyone says this... I have problems on a daily basis with my virtual hosting account. I've got a cheap dedicated server that is far more reliable than my service with webair...

I guess it's because I'm not a big customer, at least that's the impression I get whenever I talk to their support guys. :2 cents:

Bump just in case quiet lost this thread :winkwink:

Call Reflected Networks...they will do the job and than some.
1-888-318-1539

Who the fuck are you? Some tgp owner?

You're talking to a guy that OWNS a hosting company among other things, I think quiet would take his advice over yours.

50 hot damn alot of movies.

Interesting. You don't get as much of a price break as I thought...unless those are just initial offers before the bargaining.

Check out http://www.national-net.com/2003/index.php if you really have the BW to push, they will cut you a great deal..

For dirty tgp bw I pay $.16 a gig but not at nat net :)

bout $1

60tb?

$0.25 per gb.

11 machines? why? even streaming movies you shouldnt need that many. Couple of live machines, couple of spares, couple of load balancing machines, set.

Hmmm. Strange.

I love how people list off companies, urls or contact info when Quiet clearly said he isn't planning on moving :)

They see 60 TB/mn in usage and jump :)
WG

Yah! hit me up on icq yo! 123456!

heh.

He wanted to know what was average pricing. Not how many filipino bar girls you will send him to move his hosting over to you!

If you're averaging 200mbit on a monthly basis, it might be worth it to check if you can't open up your own cage and setup your own hardware.

On the other hand, it takes alot more risks to do it yourself if you're not 100% sure what you're doing.

unless he is a competent sys admin with enough free time to manage his machines, I cant see how it would save him $$.

christ... 60 TB.

that's like 15 million MP3s a month :)

sure is alot of bandwidth.

What is it for?

he said he isn't moving, but who really knows what the future brings :Graucho

anyway you're not really surprised to see spam on gfy after a question like that right!? happens everyday
:glugglug

we are down to 18 cents a gig.

big customers at our datacenter are sun microsystems apache alexa eff archive.org

If you want to just burn BW go for http://theplanet.com/ BW at around 7 cents/gig

100mbps (Tier 1) bandwidth @ he.net for $2,500/month but you need to supply the box. We have a dual xeon SCSI box that's been pumping out 80-100Mbps without breaking a sweat. I can't imagine why you would need 11 servers to do 200mbps.

Dave

Boy quiet I don't know how I missed this thread! Oh yeah, I was in Phoenix :winkwink:

Performance and reliability are paramount. I don't think going with any lowest priced option is a good idea, not on a hosting project of this scale. You should be in the .15-.25/gig range, depending largely on how large your swings in bandwidth are. The reason for this, whatever provider you choose has to have available at any one time all of the bandwidth you could ever possibly use at a peak time... open and ready for you to use.

No doubt there are a ton of companies that would suck your dick to get this kind of business. As I am sure you are aware, being able to keep your business isn't something that all of them would be able to do.

If you decide that you are in the market or just want someone to speak to about it, don't hesitate to contact me. Whether or not I ever have your business I'm happy to help in any way possible.

Cheers,

Brad Mitchell

Oh,

...and for all of you newB's that keep talking about 200 megabit, you're WAY off the mark. If he's actually pushing 60TB/mo then he probably needs a committed 300-350 just for his account. LOL This place cracks me up.

:thumbsup

Brad

Hey Brad.

The servers may spike over 300, possibly even to 350, but if you are paying per gb it wouldnt matter.

If you were paying 95th it would matter.

But per gb is essentially average sustained pricing. So who really cares what the peaks are... unless someone was trying to sell him 2 x 100mbps handoffs...?

And if quiet is just serving movies, he doesnt need 11 servers. Now, if he is doing something else, like segregating paysite front ends from members areas, load balancing across a couple machine to ensure uptime, etc... I can see where 11 servers would slowly creep into the picture. But I don't know the layout of his sites so... just guesstimating.

I would definately take a look at theplanet.com, you can get damn sexy machines and bandwidth at under $0.10/GB.

You're missing my point... let me explain. What I'm saying that everyone needs to consider is this: the cost of doing business on the HOSTS side isn't per gig, the host is either paying for committed, 95th or (highly unlikely) on average. So, one simply can't say well you can get 200 megabit from Hurricane electric for $5000 (for example). The reality is, the host would need to be buying 300 or more megabit to sell this guy 60TB (or approximately 200mbit on average).

That's it, just pointing out that the cost side of fulfillment isn't as low as it might seem to the untrained eye. That's why buyer needs to beware when shopping for low pricing.

Cheers,

Brad

For quality bandwidth should be .20-.40 cents per gig depending on the server specs and the load balancers.

As for Brads statements, well I agree with them ;) your only going to get 175-250gigs per actual Mbit billed on 95% tile depending on your traffic paterns.

Ahhh, I see what you are getting at. I was looking at it from the customers POV.

From the hosting side, when you buy a gige handoff, you cant actually utilise the full gige due to traffic spikes/fluctuations. You'd be *lucky* to get 80% utilisation. Even with our client base nicely distributed across the world, we still have traffic spikes twice a day (morning and evening). In reality, we get 65% utilisation.

So cost formula is a bit different then most people think - you maybe able to get that gige handoff for $30k per month, but you are only able to use about 600mbps on ave. So your cost per gb is much higher then $30/mbps. More like $50/mbps. And that still doesnt factor in tech support, hardware, office expenses, etc.

So its buyer beware, cuz a lot of kids are pricing themselves outta biz. They dont even understand why their hosting company is losing money... they think they are selling at a profit. And then some companies sell bandwidth at low prices, but charge you out the wang for everything else.

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Ahaha! The masterpedo is trying to attack Quiet's thread, but he couldn't even do that right. What a fucking joke.

Go back to downloading child porn pics and posting them on your site. It's the only thing you're good at.

try ISPrime.com

you guys all deal with shit companies.

If you arent getting first tier bandwidth at $300 - $340 per 10mbits (top end server included) your getting fucked.

Very Interresting for sure:warning

Lol, true, but keep in mind other people reading this thread might be interested in hosting also.