Why some Iraqi hate the US, and some philosophical rambling. - GoFuckYourself.com

milambur · 03-31-2004, 02:31 PM

During the gulf war, US and allied bombs killed hundreds of thousand Iraqi. Besides that they bombed the Iraq economy back to the Stone Age. Put yourself in that position, then consider that you would face the same people again after 12 years, but this time they occupy your country instead... Would you be pissed?

I'm not saying that the invasion was wrong, but what is happening now is the prize you will have to pay, no matter how sad and cruel it is. We should grieve for all loss of life no matter the nationality, race, sex or religion.

The "need" to kill people to be able to bring peace is the greatest of humanity's failures.

On a side note:
The text in my signature is an old quotation in Latin and it says "To err is human, to forgive is divine."
We still make errors and still ask the gods for forgiveness. But is there really any salvation for all our sins.

dav555add · 03-31-2004, 02:32 PM

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[i]Besides that they bombed the Iraq economy back to the Stone Age. [/B]

They were already and still are in the stone age

CyberTraffic · 03-31-2004, 02:34 PM

Great post.

nathan_f · 03-31-2004, 02:35 PM

If you were in their shoes, you'd feel the same way they do.

dunefield · 03-31-2004, 02:36 PM

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Originally posted by dav555add

They were already and still are in the stone age

shutup you jew...

dav555add · 03-31-2004, 02:37 PM

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Originally posted by dunefield

shutup you jew...

Have you forgotten your brothers and sisters who died in Bali?

Anna_O · 03-31-2004, 02:37 PM

Another thing is the fact that shortly after the first Gulf war, some Iraqis tried to overthrow Saddam. The US gave them no support and the uprising was brutally slaughtered down.

directfiesta · 03-31-2004, 02:40 PM

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Originally posted by dav555add

They were already and still are in the stone age

Common. Iraq was the most advanced arab country... Universities, women in official positions ..

mainly because of the repression of the religious extremists...

I can understand your constant bashing, but please at least stfu when you have nothing valid to post...

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We pointed out the importance of Mesopotamia. It's not just a desert. Iraq is not just a desert. It's the place where civilization began, it's the longest surviving continuous tradition of civilization in the world, it's earlier than Egypt, it's earlier than any place else. And that it is the foundation of all ideas of civilization, for Western civilization as well as Eastern. And that we trace our own cultural roots back to Mesopotamia.

http://www.archaeology.org/magazine....c/civilization

just a punk · 03-31-2004, 02:41 PM

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Why some Iraqi hate the US

IMHO for a same reason why the French, British and Russians hate Nazi

dav555add · 03-31-2004, 02:41 PM

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Originally posted by directfiesta

Have you been smoking or something????
Their whole fucking country was in ruins...
You are mistaken with Iran

milambur · 03-31-2004, 02:47 PM

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Originally posted by CyberTraffic
Great post.

Thanx!

just a punk · 03-31-2004, 02:49 PM

Iraq was a single Moslem country with Synagogues and course it wasn't in ruins. Actually Baghdad was really beautiful city, the city of 1000 and 1 Nights...

directfiesta · 03-31-2004, 02:56 PM

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Originally posted by dav555add

Have you been smoking or something????
Their whole fucking country was in ruins...
You are mistaken with Iran

Dave555add, please keep some of that you are smoking... seems good as hell...

IRAN ???? when the puppet dictator ( Iran Shah) placed by the US ( to get the little oil they have) had to leave, the country was one of the poorest in the region and kept in ignorance. In fact, that ignorance got transformed in the religious fanatism that rules for the last 30 years!

IRAQ was a modern country:

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Before Saddam led his people into the disastrous 1980-88 war with Iran and the 1990 invasion of Kuwait ? which led to the Gulf War ? Iraq was the envy of the Arab world.

During a 1970s oil boom, Saddam's Baath Party envisioned a country ruled by Arab Socialism. Iraq was seen as the Arabs' Germany and Saddam their Bismarck. As deputy chairman of the ruling Revolutionary Command Council, Saddam headed an economic planning council that oversaw the building of vast industrial plants, huge housing projects, eight-lane highways, bridges, airports, universities and communication infrastructure.

His name and the slogan "builder of modern Iraq" adorned streets across Iraq and jumbo projects like airports and new townships. He even ordered his name inscribed on stones in reconstructed monuments in ancient cities like Babylon, alongside those of famous kings Hammurabi and Nebuchadnezzar.

The building spree was paid for with earnings from the country's oil reserves, second-largest in the world after Saudi Arabia's. From 1970 to 1974, revenues from oil exports increased from $896 million to $7.6 billion.

"People overlooked their political deprivation and lack of participation, they only saw buildings sprouting here and there," Iraqi economist Ghanim Hamdoun, who researched Iraq's 1970s economic experiment, told The Associated Press from London.

http://springfield.news-leader.com/s...fm-242856.html

PS: you are pretty active in posting today

I have to go to the post office, then going to Imax with my gf ( BTW, she is adorable and ... jewish..)

dav555add · 03-31-2004, 02:58 PM

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Originally posted by directfiesta

PS: you are pretty active in posting today
I have to go to the post office, then going to Imax with my gf ( BTW, she is adorable and ... jewish..)

dunefield · 03-31-2004, 04:28 PM

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Originally posted by dav555add

Have you forgotten your brothers and sisters who died in Bali?

what has bali got to do with iraq?

iraq was in no way connected to the bali bombings you idiot...

Basic_man · 03-31-2004, 04:30 PM

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Originally posted by dav555add

They were already and still are in the stone age

Yeah right..

uno · 03-31-2004, 04:36 PM

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Originally posted by dav555add

They were already and still are in the stone age

Iraq?

uno · 03-31-2004, 04:36 PM

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Originally posted by dav555add

Have you forgotten your brothers and sisters who died in Bali?

huh?

Ic3m4nZ · 03-31-2004, 04:36 PM

Why Iraqis hate US ? That's funny someone invade your country and some people think they will like the people who invaded you after.

This is when most Iraqis are happy

'"Iraqis dance near a burning car in Fallujah where four civilian contractors, three of whom were confirmed by the coalition to be American, were shot dead."

You reap what you sow.

KRL · 03-31-2004, 04:37 PM

I'm tired of looking at these fucking people. Can't wait till we no longer need their fucking oil and then they can all go to hell.

milambur · 04-01-2004, 05:34 AM

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Originally posted by KRL
I'm tired of looking at these fucking people. Can't wait till we no longer need their fucking oil and then they can all go to hell.

I'm just tired of the violence and that the human race never learns from it's mistakes. How hard can it be just to live in peace?

Shagpipe · 04-01-2004, 06:44 AM

personally I think we're trying to be a little too politically correct in certain areas of Iraq. The U.S military needs to clamp down hard on these extremists, Sadam loyalists, whatever the fuck you want to label them. Clean these areas up big time. And by that I mean force. It's the only Language these people understand. I don't understand why they are dicking around. FALLUJAH is well known to be one of the most hostile anti american zones in that hellhole. Gather up some marines along with some well trained Iraqi soilders and lay the hammer down. They hate us as it is, who gives a fuck. I don't agree with this war, I know it was a total fuck up. But we need to finish what we started. Iraq will be much better off in the end. Minus Sadam. That's the only good thing that can come out of all this. And just because a group of people drag some bodies around screaming death to America doesn't mean the entire country agrees with them.

Joe Citizen · 04-01-2004, 06:52 AM

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Originally posted by KRL
I'm tired of looking at these fucking people. Can't wait till we no longer need their fucking oil and then they can all go to hell.

I want to see more dead Americans first.

Lots of them.

Scott McD · 04-01-2004, 06:52 AM

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Originally posted by KRL
I'm tired of looking at these fucking people. Can't wait till we no longer need their fucking oil and then they can all go to hell.

Me too.

I was all for the war on Iraq, but seriously i wish they had never bothered now.

Not fucking worth it...

Roger · 04-01-2004, 06:55 AM

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Originally posted by Scott McD
Me too.

I was all for the war on Iraq, but seriously i wish they had never bothered now.

Not fucking worth it...

You where all for taking over a country? Nice.

Roger · 04-01-2004, 06:59 AM

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Originally posted by Shagpipe
It's the only Language these people understand.

Obviously you've never seen any interviews with Saddam where he repeated that same phrase over and over.

In short, you're saying that Saddam is a bad guy because he kills such people and yet here you are advocating the same thing.

I just don't get you people. One day you hate Saddam and the other you're all begging to be like him.

Roger · 04-01-2004, 07:00 AM

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Originally posted by milambur
I'm just tired of the violence and that the human race never learns from it's mistakes. How hard can it be just to live in peace?

The human race is not meant to live in peace. It's not in it's nature. It's very obvious.

directfiesta · 04-01-2004, 07:13 AM

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Originally posted by Shagpipe
And just because a group of people drag some bodies around screaming death to America doesn't mean the entire country agrees with them.

As much as the group of people ( mostly staged ) cheer at the fall of a statue ....

directfiesta · 04-01-2004, 07:15 AM

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Originally posted by Shagpipe
It's the only Language these people understand.

It is the only language that America speaks....

genomega · 04-01-2004, 07:18 AM

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Originally posted by directfiesta

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IRAN ???? when the puppet dictator ( Iran Shah) placed by the US ( to get the little oil they have) had to leave, the country was one of the poorest in the region and kept in ignorance. In fact, that ignorance got transformed in the religious fanatism that rules for the last 30 years!

This is a total lie and brings into question anything that you post.

The shaw was overthrown for trying to bring his people into the 20th century. The barbarians could not let that happen.

Steve · 04-01-2004, 07:23 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Citizen

I want to see more dead Americans first.

Lots of them.

Joe Citizen · 04-01-2004, 07:24 AM

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Originally posted by Steve

A million would be a good start.

just a punk · 04-01-2004, 07:26 AM

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Originally posted by Shagpipe
I don't agree with this war, I know it was a total fuck up. But we need to finish what we started.

Yes, let's kill em' ALL... up to the last child and woman in a same way as it has been done many times already (do you remember that burned out Vietnamese village, or may be you do remember Hiroshima, Nagasaki?..)

just a punk · 04-01-2004, 07:35 AM

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Originally posted by KRL
I'm tired of looking at these fucking people. Can't wait till we no longer need their fucking oil and then they can all go to hell.

Are you Nazi?

directfiesta · 04-01-2004, 07:38 AM

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Originally posted by genomega

This is a total lie and brings into question anything that you post.

The shaw was overthrown for trying to bring his people into the 20th century. The barbarians could not let that happen.

Sure, it is all fabrication, as much as Pinochet in Chile....

When are americans going to understand this simple phrase:

Yankees, go home

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The coup was a turning point in modern Iranian history and remains a persistent irritant in Tehran-Washington relations. It consolidated the power of the shah, who ruled with an iron hand for 26 more years in close contact with the United States. He was toppled by Iranian Revolution of 1979. Later that year, "Students of Imam Line" went to the American Embassy, took diplomats hostage and declared that they had unmasked a "nest of spies" who had been manipulating Iran for decades.

The Islamic government of Ayatollah Khomeini supported terrorist attacks against American interests largely because of the long American history of supporting the shah's suppressive regime. Even under more moderate rulers, many Iranians still resent the United States' role in the coup and its support of the shah.

Former US Secretary of State Madeleine K. Albright, in an address, acknowledged the coup's pivotal role in the troubled relationship and came closer to apologizing than any American official ever has before.

"The Eisenhower administration believed its actions were justified for strategic reasons," she said. "But the coup was clearly a setback for Iran's political development. And it is easy to see now why many Iranians continue to resent this intervention by America in their internal affairs."

...

http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/...ML/001346.html

Now you post something backing up your new rewritten history....

Mikel · 04-01-2004, 07:41 AM

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Originally posted by dav555add

They were already and still are in the stone age

I didnt know they had WMD in the stone age, I suppose US president have been able to bomb the country because of the support of people like you

directfiesta · 04-01-2004, 07:41 AM

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Originally posted by genomega

This is a total lie and brings into question anything that you post.

The shaw was overthrown for trying to bring his people into the 20th century. The barbarians could not let that happen.

No more question about what YOU post....LOL

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Fifty years ago, the CIA overthrew Mohammad Mossadegh, the popular, democratically elected prime minister of Iran, and reinstalled the country's exiled monarch, Mohammad Reza Shah. In "All the Shah's Men," Stephen Kinzer, a longtime New York Times correspondent, covers this event in an exciting narrative. He questions whether Americans are well served by interventions for regime change abroad, and he reminds us of the long history of Iranian resistance to great power interventions, as well as the unanticipated consequences of intervention.

Mossadegh's overthrow in 1953 undermined Iran's progress toward democracy and independence, shored up a dictatorial monarchy backed by the United States and ultimately strengthened the only opposition the shah could not suppress ? the Islamic opposition. Although Mossadegh's government was more popular than today's Iranian regime, it was depicted in the U.S. media as unpopular, and the coup against it was portrayed as a popular victory.

http://www.calendarlive.com/books/bo...=cl-bookreview

CIA overthrowing a democratic government ... sounds familiar????

montel · 04-01-2004, 07:42 AM

trade sanctions hurt iraq more than Gulf War 1.

directfiesta · 04-01-2004, 07:48 AM

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Originally posted by genomega

This is a total lie and brings into question anything that you post.

The shaw was overthrown for trying to bring his people into the 20th century. The barbarians could not let that happen.

and to finish:

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The day that marked the beginning of a 26-year nightmare for the Iranian people under one of the cruelest regimes on the face of the earth evoked ?excitement,? ?satisfaction? and ?jubilation? in the breast of the chief representative of the US government. All the chatter, past and present, about ?democracy? and the ?free world? collapse in the face of this sort of response.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/ap...-a19_prn.shtml

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cruelest regimes on the face of the earth

So what exact part pf my original post is false... and what is true about yours....

Get an education kid... or use google

shogun3k · 04-01-2004, 07:54 AM

Pfft, people who support American intervention are idiots. But then aslong as everyone on GFY gets payed its all good.

just a punk · 04-01-2004, 08:07 AM

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Originally posted by Mikel

I didnt know they had WMD in the stone age, I suppose US president have been able to bomb the country because of the support of people like you

milambur · 04-01-2004, 09:05 AM

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Originally posted by Roger

The human race is not meant to live in peace. It's not in it's nature. It's very obvious.

I think we can prevent violence, but humanity needs to embrace a higher level of spiritual understanding before it can happen.

Aggression and hate comes from feeling mistreated in some way, and our instinct is to retaliate. But if you contemplate the basis of those feelings you will understand that your retaliation will cause the same reaction in your counterpart. Use that knowledge to transform your aggression and hate into productive forces that strengthens your belief in what is right and wrong.

Doctor Dre · 04-01-2004, 09:07 AM

Every world country is starting to hate USA . This will turn in a big rumble sooner or later and USA will start loosing his power.

piker · 04-01-2004, 09:26 AM

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Originally posted by milambur
During the gulf war, US and allied bombs killed hundreds of thousand Iraqi. Besides that they bombed the Iraq economy back to the Stone Age. Put yourself in that position, then consider that you would face the same people again after 12 years, but this time they occupy your country instead... Would you be pissed?

I'm not saying that the invasion was wrong, but what is happening now is the prize you will have to pay, no matter how sad and cruel it is. We should grieve for all loss of life no matter the nationality, race, sex or religion.

The "need" to kill people to be able to bring peace is the greatest of humanity's failures.

On a side note:
The text in my signature is an old quotation in Latin and it says "To err is human, to forgive is divine."
We still make errors and still ask the gods for forgiveness. But is there really any salvation for all our sins.

Thank you for the enlightened opinnion, you seem like one of the fuckers who though appeasing hitler was a good idea because as you say the "need" to kill people to be able to bring peace is the greatest of humanity's failures. I can tell you really put a lot of thought into this matter. It seems as if maybe you read an article and put 2 and 2 together.

However, I remind you that the invasion was over a year ago and most people Iraqi's are happy to have the U.S leading a democracy movement instead of the brutal Hussein regime stealing there aid money. The attacks you are seeing now are coming from a group of people that are pissed off they are losing all the power they abused for generations. Imagine that, you could walk around better then everyone else just 2 years ago and now you can't maybe you'd be a little upset to.

Roger · 04-01-2004, 09:41 AM

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Originally posted by piker
Thank you for the enlightened opinnion, you seem like one of the fuckers who though appeasing hitler was a good idea because as you say the "need" to kill people to be able to bring peace is the greatest of humanity's failures. I can tell you really put a lot of thought into this matter. It seems as if maybe you read an article and put 2 and 2 together.

Agreed. It's a good thing Bush wasn't president during that time. He would've went after some weak useless dictator and tried to appease Hitler.

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However, I remind you that the invasion was over a year ago and most people Iraqi's are happy to have the U.S leading a democracy movement instead of the brutal Hussein regime stealing there aid money. The attacks you are seeing now are coming from a group of people that are pissed off they are losing all the power they abused for generations. Imagine that, you could walk around better then everyone else just 2 years ago and now you can't maybe you'd be a little upset to.

Well maybe you should go live in there, see how you like it. Yeah the invasion was over a year ago and they will keep resisting the occupation for as long as it takes and once the US is no longer in charge over there, they'll be the first to blame the US for there problems. Why? Because we teached them that we'll do the work for them. We told them that there's a quick way to achieve democracy. Now let's see how that goes.

But I'm touched by how much you care about the well being of Iraqis

milambur · 04-01-2004, 10:17 AM

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Originally posted by piker

Thank you for the enlightened opinnion, you seem like one of the fuckers who though appeasing hitler was a good idea because as you say the "need" to kill people to be able to bring peace is the greatest of humanity's failures. I can tell you really put a lot of thought into this matter. It seems as if maybe you read an article and put 2 and 2 together.

I think you misunderstood the post. It is about doing things before the problems turn so big that your only option is to start killing people.

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However, I remind you that the invasion was over a year ago and most people Iraqi's are happy to have the U.S leading a democracy movement instead of the brutal Hussein regime stealing there aid money. The attacks you are seeing now are coming from a group of people that are pissed off they are losing all the power they abused for generations. Imagine that, you could walk around better then everyone else just 2 years ago and now you can't maybe you'd be a little upset to.

Offcourse they are relieved Saddam is gone, but they still don't want the US there.

03-31-2004, 02:31 PM	#1
milambur Mainstream since 2010 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,327	Why some Iraqi hate the US, and some philosophical rambling. During the gulf war, US and allied bombs killed hundreds of thousand Iraqi. Besides that they bombed the Iraq economy back to the Stone Age. Put yourself in that position, then consider that you would face the same people again after 12 years, but this time they occupy your country instead... Would you be pissed? I'm not saying that the invasion was wrong, but what is happening now is the prize you will have to pay, no matter how sad and cruel it is. We should grieve for all loss of life no matter the nationality, race, sex or religion. The "need" to kill people to be able to bring peace is the greatest of humanity's failures. On a side note: The text in my signature is an old quotation in Latin and it says "To err is human, to forgive is divine." We still make errors and still ask the gods for forgiveness. But is there really any salvation for all our sins. __________________ Alea iacta est

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Anna_O Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 5,773	Another thing is the fact that shortly after the first Gulf war, some Iraqis tried to overthrow Saddam. The US gave them no support and the uprising was brutally slaughtered down. __________________ Fetish by Anna Paysite - Nylons Bondage Latex Lesbians Glamour Annas Dungeon - 70k / day Fetish TGP ICQ 246797915

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just a punk So fuckin' bored Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 32,386	Iraq was a single Moslem country with Synagogues and course it wasn't in ruins. Actually Baghdad was really beautiful city, the city of 1000 and 1 Nights... __________________ Obey the Cowgod

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KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	I'm tired of looking at these fucking people. Can't wait till we no longer need their fucking oil and then they can all go to hell. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

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montel Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: See sig! Posts: 2,606	trade sanctions hurt iraq more than Gulf War 1. __________________ Barefootsies

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CyberTraffic Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Traffic Land ~ ICQ:213666533 Posts: 2,187	Great post.

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nathan_f Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Think of me as Chomsky with dick jokes. Posts: 3,983	If you were in their shoes, you'd feel the same way they do.

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Ic3m4nZ Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Montreal! Posts: 6,285	Why Iraqis hate US ? That's funny someone invade your country and some people think they will like the people who invaded you after. This is when most Iraqis are happy '"Iraqis dance near a burning car in Fallujah where four civilian contractors, three of whom were confirmed by the coalition to be American, were shot dead." You reap what you sow.

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Shagpipe Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York Posts: 225	personally I think we're trying to be a little too politically correct in certain areas of Iraq. The U.S military needs to clamp down hard on these extremists, Sadam loyalists, whatever the fuck you want to label them. Clean these areas up big time. And by that I mean force. It's the only Language these people understand. I don't understand why they are dicking around. FALLUJAH is well known to be one of the most hostile anti american zones in that hellhole. Gather up some marines along with some well trained Iraqi soilders and lay the hammer down. They hate us as it is, who gives a fuck. I don't agree with this war, I know it was a total fuck up. But we need to finish what we started. Iraq will be much better off in the end. Minus Sadam. That's the only good thing that can come out of all this. And just because a group of people drag some bodies around screaming death to America doesn't mean the entire country agrees with them.

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shogun3k Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 480	Pfft, people who support American intervention are idiots. But then aslong as everyone on GFY gets payed its all good. __________________