Ordering Video Content from Females on this Board = DON'T - GoFuckYourself.com

Donny · 03-30-2004, 12:11 AM

A very short time ago I added one of the regular female posters on this message board to my ICQ list. After chatting awhile, she made an offer to shoot an exclusive video for my Amateur Market site for a very reasonable rate. I pay pal'd the money to her. The video was promised within a week. Two months later and no video!

Another female on this message board that doesn't like the female from the first paragraph was talking to me on ICQ. I told her my story. She told me "what do you expect from (unnamed female)?". Further in the conversation she told me that if I would like, she'd shoot a video for me for Amateur Market. We agreed on a price. I pay pal'd half the money this time. I told her I'd send half upfront and the other half upon completion. I was assured I would be SO happy with the speed at which I'd receive the video. She promised to shoot it that very night. It's been almost a month now. Still no video.

When I mentioned this to the second female, I was told that she had become ill the very night I paid her the half payment. She was better and would shoot the video. You guessed it... I still don't have it.

I don't want to mention the names of these ladies. I'm just kinda venting my disappointment. Neither of these two ladies realize what they lost. I would have gladly ordered over and over and over again. I also offered both of them the opporunity to promote their own sites on the video. I gave them permission to say "Hey, guys! This is so and so from such and such website... if you can't get enough of me on this site, head on over to my site at..."

I need the content for AmateurMarket.net and don't like to shoot hardcore that much. I guess I've learned that if I want reliable content production I'll have to continue shooting it myself.

Rictor · 03-30-2004, 12:15 AM

List the names, I'm sure others have had problems. It will probably shame them both into getting you your videos (after they make some lame excuses).

psyko514 · 03-30-2004, 12:16 AM

Would one of them happen to be Heather Hamptons?

BigFrog · 03-30-2004, 12:18 AM

that's fucking lame

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 03-30-2004, 12:18 AM

Throw down the names man.

Ya been takin advantage of.

integrated · 03-30-2004, 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by psyko514
Would one of them happen to be Heather Hamptons?

not wise to predict

PersianKitty · 03-30-2004, 12:20 AM

They've received money? Had all this time? and still nothing? Each offered to make the vids.. it wasn't you begging or hounding.

Very unprofessional. I hope they both see this... and take action quickly.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 03-30-2004, 12:20 AM

I also like to add if ya need some stuff shot I can hook ya up.

integrated · 03-30-2004, 12:22 AM

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Originally posted by AlienQ
I also like to add if ya need some stuff shot I can hook ya up.

i hope he learned from his first 2 mistakes girlie

Donny · 03-30-2004, 12:22 AM

I'll see if they read this thread and contact me. I don't want to name names quite yet. They are both ladies I personally like. I am just hoping they read this.

foolio · 03-30-2004, 12:22 AM

Dang, sucks - you would think that would not happen here.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 03-30-2004, 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by integrated

i hope he learned from his first 2 mistakes girlie

Dude...
One thing about most you fucks on this board dont understand.

I deliver the goods on what I do.

integrated · 03-30-2004, 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
I'll see if they read this thread and contact me. I don't want to name names quite yet. They are both ladies I personally like. I am just hoping they read this.

let me know if they dont refund money
i have a few contacts at paypal that could pull some strings for you

BigFrog · 03-30-2004, 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AlienQ

Dude...
One thing about most you fucks on this board dont understand.

I deliver the goods on what I do.

lol
you didnt give me my free banner design

integrated · 03-30-2004, 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AlienQ

Dude...
One thing about most you fucks on this board dont understand.

I deliver the goods on what I do.

actions speak louder then words

i think i could teach you a thing or too ;)

hit me up if you need some tips

NiTe-HaWk · 03-30-2004, 12:28 AM

That sucks hope they redeem themselves.

Donny · 03-30-2004, 12:29 AM

One of them messaged me and told me the video is done and ready to ship. That is cool. She's got a good name here. She says she really was sick and is sad to hear that I thought I'd been screwed.

Nice response. I love her again and am ready to have her bear my children. LOL.

BigFrog · 03-30-2004, 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by integrated

actions speak louder then words

i think i could teach you a thing or too ;)

hit me up if you need some tips

tips on selling unregistered .tv domains?

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 03-30-2004, 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by integrated

actions speak louder then words

i think i could teach you a thing or too ;)

hit me up if you need some tips

Your a fucken moron...

Finish your piss with mule imbecille.

Peter Romero · 03-30-2004, 12:34 AM

What do you need shot? For you - P.O.D. I owe you one besides the free traffic I gave you.

No... I don't do P.O.D. custom stuff for anyone but I'll do it for you just to prove a point.

V_RocKs · 03-30-2004, 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
One of them messaged me and told me the video is done and ready to ship. That is cool. She's got a good name here. She says she really was sick and is sad to hear that I thought I'd been screwed.

Nice response. I love her again and am ready to have her bear my children. LOL.

I am touched.. Now lets fucking hang the first one at high noon and teach people a fucking lesson, always be the first to say sorry.

Donny · 03-30-2004, 12:35 AM

The lady in the second paragraph is back on my good list. She says the video is shot and ready and will be sent out tomorrow.

The lady from the first paragraph... don't know if I'll ever hear anything on that one. It's already been a couple months.

Peter Romero · 03-30-2004, 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
The lady in the second paragraph is back on my good list. She says the video is shot and ready and will be sent out tomorrow.

The lady from the first paragraph... don't know if I'll ever hear anything on that one. It's already been a couple months.

The one in the first paragraph sounds like the same girl who wanted me to pay her & her 3 inch man's expenses out to LA and get her work but wouldn't let me into her site without paying just to get some better casting pix. Lost in lala land without a clue. No wonder she's a broke wanna-be. Can't wait for this one to break.

Illicit · 03-30-2004, 12:58 AM

Spill the beans ! 2 months is long enough ! Out the bitch...

More Booze · 03-30-2004, 12:59 AM

Well, dont trust females.

Peter Romero · 03-30-2004, 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by More Booze
Well, dont trust females.

Well... we know that.

mule · 03-30-2004, 01:04 AM

I call it "camgirl mentality"
I won't name names either, and let me say straight off that this doesn't apply to most women on this board. But there definitely is a brand of women in this biz who seem to think that the mere fact that they are women gives them the right to fleece the men in the biz.

I've made many sites for camgirls. I register the domain names, build them, host them, send traffic to them, all I take in return is my affiliate earnings from my refcodes. Of course I've made money in this way. But I've lost a lot as well, in time and effort, and in plain cash when my stupid bleeding heart made me give them money when they couldn't pay the rent or whatever. In fact I'm out over 2K in loans that were never paid back.

Very often I've built sites for girls who just sorta disappeared offline straight after. Then suddenly after a year, out of the blue I get an ICQ message: "hey, how are ya? It's my birthday, check out my wish-list" Or "hey, how are you doing? Sorry I disappeared, I was having issues...can you build me a new site?"

I won't even go into the "donate money for my whatever" threads.

Peter Romero · 03-30-2004, 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mule
I call it "camgirl mentality"
I won't name names...

I won't even go into the "donate money for my whatever" threads.

BINGO!!!!

Donny · 03-30-2004, 01:11 AM

Okay... the lady from the 2nd paragraph pointed out to me that I am losing my sense of time. She told me I sent her the money only 15 days ago. She was sick for 7 of those days. Which means she's actually only had 8 days to shoot the video. It is ready and will go out tomorrow and she'll email me the confirmation number.

Sorry about that.

The other has been a month and a half, and not two months as stated. That is a long time. I am not expecting any result from that person, however.

Peter Romero · 03-30-2004, 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
Okay... the lady from the 2nd paragraph pointed out to me that I am losing my sense of time. She told me I sent her the money only 15 days ago. She was sick for 7 of those days. Which means she's actually only had 8 days to shoot the video. It is ready and will go out tomorrow and she'll email me the confirmation number.

Sorry about that.

The other has been a month and a half, and not two months as stated. That is a long time. I am not expecting any result from that person, however.

get the rope...

baddog · 03-30-2004, 01:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by psyko514
Would one of them happen to be Heather Hamptons?

got to be, I remember him talking about setting up a great deal with her so she could get her tits. I will be surprised if she isn't one of them.

SGS · 03-30-2004, 01:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mule

I won't even go into the "donate money for my whatever" threads.

hahaha...

baddog · 03-30-2004, 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by integrated

not wise to predict

why not, idiot?

boardersweetie · 03-30-2004, 01:21 AM

I understand why you don't want to create drama, but I say you ICQ the thread url to the first girl, give it a couple hours and then out her ass. That way she can't go on to screw other webmasters...

baddog · 03-30-2004, 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
The lady in the second paragraph is back on my good list. She says the video is shot and ready and will be sent out tomorrow.

weren't you told that already? proof is in the pudding . . . . . mmmmm, pudding

huey · 03-30-2004, 01:32 AM

C.O.D.

Ironhorse · 03-30-2004, 01:34 AM

That Coke is a killer man..

Ironhorse · 03-30-2004, 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AlienQ

Dude...
One thing about most you fucks on this board dont understand.

I deliver the goods on what I do.

Do you do anal too?

Holly · 03-30-2004, 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by psyko514
Would one of them happen to be Heather Hamptons?

God, I hope so.

Let's keep our fingers crossed.

zzgundamnzz · 03-30-2004, 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
The lady in the second paragraph is back on my good list. She says the video is shot and ready and will be sent out tomorrow.

The lady from the first paragraph... don't know if I'll ever hear anything on that one. It's already been a couple months.

Don't expect anything til you actually have the Video. They could make so many excuses when they "send" it.

Lost in the mail
It'll be there
I haven't gotten around to mailing it yet
I sent it only x days ago give it time
etc...

Donny · 03-30-2004, 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by psyko514
Would one of them happen to be Heather Hamptons?

hmmmm....

Donny · 03-30-2004, 01:47 AM

I am going to bed. I've got to get up early to shoot new updates for TeenKeera.com. I'll resume this in the morning.

Platinumpimp · 03-30-2004, 01:48 AM

you say it yourself donovan, you won't be hearing back from the first hahahaha, expose her name so you can prevent her from cheating on others

Donny · 03-30-2004, 01:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PlatinumPimp
you say it yourself donovan, you won't be hearing back from the first hahahaha, expose her name so you can prevent her from cheating on others

Okay, it was indeed Heather. I stuck up for her big time in her boobs thread and in other related threads.

She claims she shot the video and tried to upload it to her server for me to download, but that it was too big to upload. I guess it was too difficult to figure out how to mail it.

I am only out a small amount of money. She made me a great deal (at least it would have been great if I had received it). I'm not concerned in the least about that.

But I am tired of being quiet about it. I do not have any ill feelings towards her at all. I just can't believe that some people don't look towards the future at all. I really would have ordered 5-10 videos from her EVERY MONTH at the prices she gave me.... AND I would let her mention her website in every one of them.

People wonder why they can never get ahead in this business... this is a perfect example. This is a simple thing to do. Take tape to mail boxes etc. Package. Ship. Receive more money for more orders. Get free "member" traffic (the best there is... they've already paid to join a porn site). If someone can't handle this, they'll never EVER succeed.

quiet · 03-30-2004, 01:59 AM

down with the females!

WicKed NinJas · 03-30-2004, 02:00 AM

I hope your not talking about the same person who promised me some content. I refused to pay one cent till I had the content in my hands...well, on my pc...lol.... apparently that wasnt acceptable cause she would always say "I just havent gotten around to it." glad I stuck by my policy on that one.

Platinumpimp · 03-30-2004, 02:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips

Okay, it was indeed Heather. I stuck up for her big time in her boobs thread and in other related threads.

She claims she shot the video and tried to upload it to her server for me to download, but that it was too big to upload. I guess it was too difficult to figure out how to mail it.

I am only out a small amount of money. She made me a great deal (at least it would have been great if I had received it). I'm not concerned in the least about that.

But I am tired of being quiet about it. I do not have any ill feelings towards her at all. I just can't believe that some people don't look towards the future at all. I really would have ordered 5-10 videos from her EVERY MONTH at the prices she gave me.... AND I would let her mention her website in every one of them.

People wonder why they can never get ahead in this business... this is a perfect example. This is a simple thing to do. Take tape to mail boxes etc. Package. Ship. Receive more money for more orders. Get free "member" traffic (the best there is... they've already paid to join a porn site). If someone can't handle this, they'll never EVER succeed.

I knew it, can't trust that bitch. Maybe ask her webmistress PrivateIvy about this issue.... Very solid post you made there, since she's digging her own grave this way.

LexiLexxx · 03-30-2004, 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips

Okay, it was indeed Heather. I stuck up for her big time in her boobs thread and in other related threads.

She claims she shot the video and tried to upload it to her server for me to download, but that it was too big to upload. I guess it was too difficult to figure out how to mail it.

I am only out a small amount of money. She made me a great deal (at least it would have been great if I had received it). I'm not concerned in the least about that.

But I am tired of being quiet about it. I do not have any ill feelings towards her at all. I just can't believe that some people don't look towards the future at all. I really would have ordered 5-10 videos from her EVERY MONTH at the prices she gave me.... AND I would let her mention her website in every one of them.

People wonder why they can never get ahead in this business... this is a perfect example. This is a simple thing to do. Take tape to mail boxes etc. Package. Ship. Receive more money for more orders. Get free "member" traffic (the best there is... they've already paid to join a porn site). If someone can't handle this, they'll never EVER succeed.

LMAO

Plan9 · 03-30-2004, 02:46 AM

Thats shady to say the least - and I'm sure the damage done to her reputation by this incident is many times greater than whatever monetary amount she may have gained.
But like you said; there are reasons that certain people will never get ahead in business, and this obviously isn't something that applies only to this industry.

kush · 03-30-2004, 02:55 AM

I'd like to hear an official comment from Heather....

03-30-2004, 12:11 AM	#1
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	Ordering Video Content from Females on this Board = DON'T A very short time ago I added one of the regular female posters on this message board to my ICQ list. After chatting awhile, she made an offer to shoot an exclusive video for my Amateur Market site for a very reasonable rate. I pay pal'd the money to her. The video was promised within a week. Two months later and no video! Another female on this message board that doesn't like the female from the first paragraph was talking to me on ICQ. I told her my story. She told me "what do you expect from (unnamed female)?". Further in the conversation she told me that if I would like, she'd shoot a video for me for Amateur Market. We agreed on a price. I pay pal'd half the money this time. I told her I'd send half upfront and the other half upon completion. I was assured I would be SO happy with the speed at which I'd receive the video. She promised to shoot it that very night. It's been almost a month now. Still no video. When I mentioned this to the second female, I was told that she had become ill the very night I paid her the half payment. She was better and would shoot the video. You guessed it... I still don't have it. I don't want to mention the names of these ladies. I'm just kinda venting my disappointment. Neither of these two ladies realize what they lost. I would have gladly ordered over and over and over again. I also offered both of them the opporunity to promote their own sites on the video. I gave them permission to say "Hey, guys! This is so and so from such and such website... if you can't get enough of me on this site, head on over to my site at..." I need the content for AmateurMarket.net and don't like to shoot hardcore that much. I guess I've learned that if I want reliable content production I'll have to continue shooting it myself.

03-30-2004, 12:16 AM	#3
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03-30-2004, 12:18 AM	#5
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03-30-2004, 12:20 AM	#7
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03-30-2004, 12:20 AM	#8
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03-30-2004, 12:15 AM	#2
Rictor Old Timer Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 12,208	List the names, I'm sure others have had problems. It will probably shame them both into getting you your videos (after they make some lame excuses).

03-30-2004, 12:18 AM	#4
BigFrog Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,057	that's fucking lame

03-30-2004, 12:22 AM	#10
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	I'll see if they read this thread and contact me. I don't want to name names quite yet. They are both ladies I personally like. I am just hoping they read this.

03-30-2004, 12:22 AM	#11
foolio ICQ: 178725656 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sunny San Diego Posts: 12,366	Dang, sucks - you would think that would not happen here. __________________

03-30-2004, 12:28 AM	#16
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03-30-2004, 12:29 AM	#17
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	One of them messaged me and told me the video is done and ready to ship. That is cool. She's got a good name here. She says she really was sick and is sad to hear that I thought I'd been screwed. Nice response. I love her again and am ready to have her bear my children. LOL.

03-30-2004, 12:34 AM	#20
Peter Romero Long time no happy ending Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: San Diego CA Posts: 10,578	What do you need shot? For you - P.O.D. I owe you one besides the free traffic I gave you. No... I don't do P.O.D. custom stuff for anyone but I'll do it for you just to prove a point. __________________ POVCash [email protected] See them all here: http://www.Petergirls.com

03-30-2004, 12:35 AM	#22
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	The lady in the second paragraph is back on my good list. She says the video is shot and ready and will be sent out tomorrow. The lady from the first paragraph... don't know if I'll ever hear anything on that one. It's already been a couple months.

03-30-2004, 12:58 AM	#24
Illicit wtf ? Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: GFY Posts: 11,895	Spill the beans ! 2 months is long enough ! Out the bitch... __________________ Insert Sig Here

03-30-2004, 12:59 AM	#25
More Booze Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 5,116	Well, dont trust females.

03-30-2004, 01:04 AM	#27
mule Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: hamsterdam Posts: 6,085	I call it "camgirl mentality" I won't name names either, and let me say straight off that this doesn't apply to most women on this board. But there definitely is a brand of women in this biz who seem to think that the mere fact that they are women gives them the right to fleece the men in the biz. I've made many sites for camgirls. I register the domain names, build them, host them, send traffic to them, all I take in return is my affiliate earnings from my refcodes. Of course I've made money in this way. But I've lost a lot as well, in time and effort, and in plain cash when my stupid bleeding heart made me give them money when they couldn't pay the rent or whatever. In fact I'm out over 2K in loans that were never paid back. Very often I've built sites for girls who just sorta disappeared offline straight after. Then suddenly after a year, out of the blue I get an ICQ message: "hey, how are ya? It's my birthday, check out my wish-list" Or "hey, how are you doing? Sorry I disappeared, I was having issues...can you build me a new site?" I won't even go into the "donate money for my whatever" threads. __________________ Converting like a mofo

03-30-2004, 01:11 AM	#29
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	Okay... the lady from the 2nd paragraph pointed out to me that I am losing my sense of time. She told me I sent her the money only 15 days ago. She was sick for 7 of those days. Which means she's actually only had 8 days to shoot the video. It is ready and will go out tomorrow and she'll email me the confirmation number. Sorry about that. The other has been a month and a half, and not two months as stated. That is a long time. I am not expecting any result from that person, however.

03-30-2004, 01:21 AM	#34
boardersweetie Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, ICQ 301-613-472 Posts: 1,889	I understand why you don't want to create drama, but I say you ICQ the thread url to the first girl, give it a couple hours and then out her ass. That way she can't go on to screw other webmasters...

03-30-2004, 01:32 AM	#36
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03-30-2004, 01:34 AM	#37
Ironhorse Pixel Pusher Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 7,093	That Coke is a killer man.. __________________ [email protected]

03-30-2004, 01:47 AM	#42
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	I am going to bed. I've got to get up early to shoot new updates for TeenKeera.com. I'll resume this in the morning.

03-30-2004, 01:48 AM	#43
Platinumpimp Logos and such. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Kingdom of the Netherlands Posts: 10,214	you say it yourself donovan, you won't be hearing back from the first hahahaha, expose her name so you can prevent her from cheating on others __________________ I design logo's.

03-30-2004, 01:59 AM	#45
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	down with the females! __________________ we'll miss you our friend. RIP

03-30-2004, 02:00 AM	#46
WicKed NinJas Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Dirty Dirty Dirty Dirty South Posts: 965	I hope your not talking about the same person who promised me some content. I refused to pay one cent till I had the content in my hands...well, on my pc...lol.... apparently that wasnt acceptable cause she would always say "I just havent gotten around to it." glad I stuck by my policy on that one. __________________ CLICK HERE FOR SOME EXTREME PAYCHECKS 178.247.277

03-30-2004, 02:46 AM	#49
Plan9 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,801	Thats shady to say the least - and I'm sure the damage done to her reputation by this incident is many times greater than whatever monetary amount she may have gained. But like you said; there are reasons that certain people will never get ahead in business, and this obviously isn't something that applies only to this industry.

03-30-2004, 02:55 AM	#50
kush Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 3,382	I'd like to hear an official comment from Heather....