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LOL! Convicted? They were cleared of all charges man...

It was for dialers that were ripping people off supposedly or something of that nature, not credit card fraud, and also... The Botto brothers and RJB Telecom fully cooperated with the FTC and showed that their business practices were not questionable.. They stopped working with the company that was doing the billing shortly before the big fallout as well I believe..

Those injunctions were to do nothing more than freeze assets of the company I believe.. I remember I did not get paid for months.. but good was made and I was paid after it was all said and done and they had access to continue with payments...

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we've loaded maxcash with a lot of traffic this month
doing 1:228

our sales graph is so wide, i would need a dual screen to see it all


but i do agree that they could use some new tours and FPAs

Sodo

Thanks Meloman,

Nice to see someone here can rean and understand my post!

I don't really keep a close look to the ratio, but I have noticed that a lot more hits are being counted than with any other sponsor I have used, the only other sponsor that could match the click counting was flashcash, and their free trials converted ok but I'd rather get 35$ a signup than 20$, and I promoted maxcash when I first started in this biz 5 to 6 years ago and they were great so I kinda wanted to find out if they where still converting well after all those years, and yeah Karas Rock, and the new tour looks so not 1996!

I would still like to see some stats page screendumps though!

Kind regards
Sodo

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BaldBastard

Analprobe fact remains that Maxcash is still in business and as strong as ever, those of us that built sites for RB 5 years ago still make money off the same sites and traffic. Thousands of reality sites, and sites with fresh tours have come and gone yet Maxcash continues to make us all bank.

When the FTC took Maxcash down everyone said they were totalled but they bounced back, looked after there webmasters and continued to grow. Picking on Maxcash will never get you anywhere as there webmasters, especially the older ones are totally loyal.

Bob B summed it up with his post
http://www.maximumcash.com/0209/letter/index.php

sta·bil·i·ty

The state or quality of being stable, especially:

Resistance to change, deterioration, or displacement.
Constancy of character or purpose; steadfastness.
Reliability; dependability.

Everyday I get other webmasters telling me of the great success there having with a new program / site / tour, usually it takes me a couple of weeks to get to it, I check my referring webmasters site and the links are gone too the next greatest thing, with always the same webmaster responses, " they stopped converting ", " they fucked me over " , " its over exposed now ".

I guess some are still players and some aren't

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...l=karasxxx.com
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...bererotica.com
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...rehardcore.com
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...l=intergal.com

And as far as non adult being harder than adult:
I spam google, and they send me traffic, I send the traffic back to them and they pay me for it per click. Isn't that how 90% of non adult sites are making bank at the moment?

AnalProbe

Why, if you claim you are innocent, do it again the same way with new merchant accounts? Why go offshore if you can make it right in the US ?

184.919 chargebacks in 9 months, get cut off and start over again the same way, saying you don't know a thing ?

I never said they fucked webmasters (at least not in money, but in time), but they fucked with customers bigtime. I don't trust any program that fucks with customers. That's my opinion. If you think you're treated different than a customer, that's your right.

You're so elite.


from http://www.ftc.gov/os/2000/10/rjbtelcomtromemo.pdf :


"Acting without consumers? authorization or knowledge, defendants
post charges for their services to credit and debit cards and phone bills. During the current year alone, as indicated in the attached declarations from financial institutions, credit card networks, and from information supplied to the FTC by AT&T, there have been more than 200,000 charge-backs, credits and telephone bill refunds involving defendants? business practices. Moreover, as this complaint is filed, defendants? fraudulent practices continue unabated."


"As indicated in the Visa declaration, the MCMP applies to only a statistically infinitesimal number of Visa merchants. In a typical month only 70-80 merchants out of the 3-4 million in the Visa system, are placed in MCMP; of this group an even smaller number ? a mere 4 to 8 per month -- enter ?active monitoring.?49 defendants? horrendous chargeback numbers placed them in this latter group. Even more tellingly, from a global perspective, in four of the first eight months of this year (March, April, May, and August), RJB generated more chargebacks and penalties for their merchant bank than any other merchant in Visa?s global risk management program.50 Incredibly, even after AmTrade was notified of the impending Visa disqualification, RJB continued to violate Visa?s chargeback guidelines. Indeed, its August chargeback and chargeback/credit rates -- 4.4% and 14.76% respectively -- were its highest this year.51 Put another way, in terms of individual sales, there were a total of 181,218 Visa - related chargebacks and credits involving RJB for the first nine months of this year.52 Of this total, 44,491, or 24.6% of the nine-month total, were in the months of August and September.53
The Visa declaration also underscores the difficulty of curing RJB?s fraud without judicial intervention. During June 2000, RJB stablished a merchant relationship with Aval Card, an offshore bank located in Costa Rica; in August, RJB established a second
merchant account with Banco Uno, a Panamanian bank. These actions placed RJB beyond the jurisdiction of Visa USA."


"Although a portion of defendants? business may be legitimate, it is abundantly clear from the exhibits submitted in support of this motion that the overall business of defendants is permeated by fraud and that the fraudulent and legitimate portions of the business cannot be meaningfully distinguished. It is also clear that defendants have earned and continue to earn millions of dollars from their illicit activities, and that these activities are increasing."


I've had many paysites and have never EVER fucked a customer.

Think about it.


btw
I don't make my money spamming Google or other SE, I have a nose for exchanging links the old fashion way. I have never paid
a dime for traffic. I pay for traffic with traffic.

Quality of services and traffic, combined with extended customer behavioural databases is the way I make my money nowadays.

Quantity is for dickheads.

CDSmith

I'm not sure what part of that this analplug old school elite guy doesn't get, but that pretty much says what needs to be said on this issue.

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swami

It just might be that this aggressive marketing of surfers that was prevalent until recently,such as popup traps and automatic dialer installation and charging customers CC'S without their express permission is why the conversion rates for adult have dropped considerably in the last few years.
Regulations and scrubbing have been forced on VISA and other CC processors because of unscrupulous sponsors that went for the quick buck.
In a way it sems that we are all paying for the indiscretions of the past.
I personally think Maxcash should rethink their popup idea.I wanted to send them 20k a day but I had to remove the traffic I had to them as I don't want my visitor to become scared of clicking a link.

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AnalProbe

If you're not sure... shut the fuck up !

Or ask Leslie Nielsen.


Now go play with your reindeers.

Meloman

1. They don't have automatic dialer installation
2. They aren't charging CC's without permission
3. Pop up trap implies that they can't be closed... not the case, it's a pop up chain that ends.

Everyone has a different way of doing business. My opinion is that popups are effective. They have been around forever. People hate them YET they STILL click on them. It's just part of surfing porn sites. You get popups when you surf porn sites, that's what surfers understand. If you run a TGP or something similar then I can understand your un-willingness to compromise. You need to offer the surfer some sort of incentive to bookmark YOUR site and come back. The offer of "no popup" links can do that. But don't fool yoursellf into thinking that you'll convert better without popups. You make LESS pushing no pop tours period (in my opinion). But I'm not a TGP master so I can't comment on that traffic really and wants needed.

There has been lot of Credit Card issued etc.. lately and a lot has been brought on by people only interested in the quick buck. Maxcash is not part of that problem in my opinion. They run clean, effective sites that have EASY TO CANCEL forms. Surfers get great customer support with them just like most big sponsors. Few still maintain the old school make it hard to cancel philosophy. Those that do have chargeback issues.

So bottom line is that for most people Maxcash does well. If you can't push there sites because of "consoles" or other personal issues that's your right.

In my opinion Maxcash is one company that has it all together and does everything right.

http

No shit, their consoles are the fucking WORST in the industry


(p.s.: I made checks up to $15,000 with them years ago)

Meloman

FYI..

Everyone go take a look at the very first link on

http://www.worldsex.com

That's been there forever and a day. And it leads to the console tour.

World Sex is one of the biggest TGP's right?

swami

I am not saying that they are doing anything now.
What I am suggesting is that past aggressive over the top tactics practiced in the past not necessarily by Maxcash but perhaps so and definetly by others has contributed to that fact that its fucking hard to make a sale these days.
Maxcash popups at least on my dialup modem load before the target tour page and not all when I looked last had my referrer code in.Sure have your exit consoles but leave them until the surfer exits.
My conversions dropped from 1:336 before their anti-popup killer to 1:1000 plus since.
Its no coincidence in my book.

Aly-Python

<<<<<<<< Very happy MaxCash partner, Since 1832... or thereabouts.

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Meloman

I agree 100% that it is harder today to make a sale. There's a zillion reasons for this, mostly have nothing to do with popups.

I'm on broadband so I can't really coment on dial-up. I always thought that the pop-under blur gets poped right as u hit the site but the tour starts loading right away too. The pop-under may load faster cause it's smaller and ligher weight than the tour. But it is UNDER the tour so the surfer shouldn't even notice.

Correct, not all are 100% for webmasters. It's a nice mix. Sponsors need to make there own sales too, that's what's able to payout higher. It's just a math game. Because they can get so many of there own sales they can pay u more. If you try to send to no console tours u make less, even if u try to pop your own consoles you'll usually earn less as well since you won't be doing the same volume.

I can't comment on this at all. I haven't experienced any decrease in conversions anywhere with them myself. What you say may be true overal or it may be tied to you only and your traffic. No idea. Looks like in your case Maxcash may not be the sponsor for you. Try FlyntDigital or VividCash, we have no console links Gotta give me credit, I did defend Maxcash heavily enough where I deserve one small spam :-)

DavePlays

If it wasn't for the fact that so many places will not list a MaxCash at all because of the pop-ups that would be true.

If I do a MaxCash page I'm going to get 40,-80,000 less hits on it as I will with a sponsor that has a no-popup option. And I have made sales in the no-popup category that I would never have got with MaxCash.

A no-popup option is best - every other sponsor I deal with has one.

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69pornlinks

seems like someone's been probed anally and taking it out on maxcash

when i 1st got into doing what i'm doing maxcash was the first sponsor i was told to check out ..i didn't listen, yes i did check them out, but didn't start to push until last month and they convert

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Meloman

You can always try sending to an FPA first and see how that converts? Maybe even link the FPA to the join page if it's designed well enough (get permission first)

The way I learned Traffic Management was through this technique. I would build big wads of FPA's all strunng togther with exits, money tables etc. .. All my text links and banners would then link to the corresponding FPA. Through this technique I learned a lot of what I do today.

Try sending throught this idea and see what happens :-)
Same thing works with any sponsor with consoles. You might just be able to pull of sending to consoles tours and get payed higher all with your same traffic.

But ultimately everyone has there own techniques. Some people can do console tours, some can't. It's the nature of this biz.

Good luck everyone

BruceM

I'm doing very well with Max Cash right now. After a bit of a dip in sales due to losing some good SE spots, I'm back

Karas has always converted amazingly for me. Regarding Classic Mature, I don't send much traffic to that site, but I send to the main tour, and here our my March stats:


414 1 0 2 3 $105.00 1:138

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AnalProbe

You're so gay...

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Brains >>>

Know your customers in detail, sell multiple times using your own merchant accounts. Create your own services and match those with your customers' profiles so you can sell till eternity.

No Brains >>>

Don't have a clue what a surfer wants, who he is, where he's from and what his other interests and data are. Just send him away to some sponsor and HOPE it converts, you get paid, and he will come back to one of your sites.

Almost Brains >>>

Combine both.
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There is way more than selling some porn.

You would be astonished what I sell people what you don't sell them. Just like anybody, people need to live, relax, eat, insure, learn, and work.

What you make in $$$ for 20 signups I sell to 1 surfer a month.

Recurring.


I know more about my customers than their local tax office.

Customer satisfaction >>> long lasting relationship >>> real $$$

Go send your valuable surfers away and call someone else a moron.

Sodo

Anyone else wanna share their ratio and opinion on maxcash?

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Basic_man

Was doing good back in the time..

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This month:
Kara's Adult Playground 8275 clicks 21 SU $735.00 1:394

although they are dinosaurus, still convert well, even on my exit popups

Sodo

My ratio has improved after another lesbian pink sale:

Big N Plump 4 0 0 0 0 $0.00 1:0
Classic Mature 1402 0 0 1 1 $35.00 1:1402
Ebony Fantasy 721 0 0 2 2 $70.00 1:360
Kara's Adult Playground 150 0 0 0 0 $0.00 1:0
Lesbian Pink 344 0 0 2 2 $70.00 1:172
My Kinky Wife 74 0 0 0 0 $0.00 1:0
Oral Addiction 503 0 0 0 0 $0.00 1:0
Tight Anal Sluts 227 0 0 0 0 $0.00 1:0
Teen Steam 386 0 0 0 0 $0.00 1:0
TOTALS 3811 0 0 5 5 $175.00 1:762

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