cashman

http://msnvideo.msn.com/video/defaul...em=NBC%20Today

what do you think? Good or Bad?

Odin88

Good.

Mr Pheer

yeah its real good, so the right wing ISP's can filter out anything.xxx in the name of christianity

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dav555add

Bad, cuz they'll tell you no more porn on any domain except on .xxx

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TheJimmy

giving up .com realestate cuz someone can't filter shit?

that's lame, just require the .xxx "OR" a very specific tag in the html....same effect without the lameness of .xxx

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Odin88

ISP's can put some pretty good filters on now anyway. Users who want to view porn, will simply not use those ISP's. Like the video said, it is like zoning for adult shops, etc offline.

media

Lol.. so rediculous I only watched the intro... Fucking joke.. would be SO EASY for governmental or isp control to block all .xxx shit

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NetRodent

"It seems plausible that only a few adult publishers, and not those who have invested resources in building a brand around a .com site, would voluntarily abandon their current domain name. Instead, they'd likely add a .xxx variant and keep their original address. The existence of .xxx could propel legislators in the U.S. and other countries to require them to publish exclusively from an adult domain, a move that would invite ongoing political interference with Internet governance, and raise concerns about forced speech and self-labeling."

"The American Civil Liberties Union -- and other members of the international Global Internet Liberty Campaign -- caution that publishers speaking frankly about birth control, AIDS prevention, gay and lesbian sex, the social problem of prison rape, etc., could be coerced into moving to an adult domain. Once there, they would be stigmatized and easily blocked by schools, libraries, companies, and other groups using filtering software. Publishers of such information, who do not view themselves as pornographers and retain their existing addresses, could be targeted for prosecution."

http://www.circleid.com/article/530_0_1_0_C/
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3675.txt

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riosluts

Thats right. I got first dibs on sex.xxx xxx.xxx and hardcore.xxx

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montel

.coms will always be the benchmark.
if you look hard enough you can still find some nice .com names anyhow.

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tony286

I have many thoughts on this ,first this is the industries fault it is coming to this. Graphic spam, very graphic tours,misleading domains. In for the quick buck and dont think about tomorrow.

Secondly .xxx will be the death of 75% of this industry, what would it take for the government to come in(with lots of pressure from the christian right) and say to the isp's block all .xxx in the USA or they put pressure on the isp's themselves.

Also how do you compete when in Russia or Europe they can still use .com . The only people that will benefit from this is the guy whose idea it was and the fat chick who must work for him.

Also what is the benefit to you when they still can come after you if they want for obscenity? Also you have to sign a contract what you can and cannot do ? If I am willing to be in .xxx I should be able to do what ever I fucking want in that space be popups ,popunders ,exit consoles.

Also if its mandated whats to stop them from making it 10,000 dollars for a .xxx domain. I am telling you people clean up your acts stop the graphic spam this is pushing lots of this shit. You may see less money with out the spam but its better than none. If they care about kids so much and since parents are so powerless. They should instead make a .kid for places where it is safe for kids to surf.

savas

this domains are at this time selled, i think

Axeman

Good but will be very tough to acomplish. At least to the degree they want

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xenophobic

Yeah sounds like a enforcement job for the theoretical cyberpolice.

Tell me who will inflict this authority on the whole of the Internet, Cisco?

;D

tony286

Most porn I would figure is bought in the USA, if .xxx where blocked by isp's in the US. Kiss your sales bye bye lol.

xenophobic

wow sounds like a magical way to stop all porn, put them on .xxx then allow ISP's and parents to block it in their browsers!
*Newsflash*
the ability to filter porn out of internet connections has been available for years, why are ISP's not doing it already, with all the right wing politicians and black helicoptors and all?
The only people that filter it, are familysafe ISP's which are growing in popularity for parents, etc
a .xxx domain isn't some conspiracy to get rid of porn off the internet try reading the ICANN proposal for christs sake:
http://www.icann.org/tlds/stld-apps-19mar04/xxx.htm

cashman

I think it will be very easy for entities to block porn, which wont be good.

xenophobic

hello? anyone already can.
I setup squid+dansguardian for a church network three months ago to filter porn from their internet connection, this isn't anything new there are hardware caching engines with the ability to filter porn, and add-ons for isp cache engines like above, jeez this isn't the end of porn on the damn internet.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE

Its an unbelievable crock of shit...

Don't fall for this lousy fuckin thing. Its a disguised hand out that fucks ton's of shit up leading to eventual censorship...

Who is that fucken fat crazy bitch?

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tony286

I disagree, filtering doesnt work if it did these discussions wouldnt be happening.

cluck

If an ISP did block .xxx, I'd make a killing selling access to proxies that allow you to view those sites.

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AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE

Can't believe a bunch weird no name mother fuckers are even thinking the way they are about this.

All I see here is a political play with a bait and switch to be delivered later.
This .XXX crap is nothing but a bullshit trap people.
Make no mistake about it.

They talkin some really insane shit when they think that giving up .com domains for there psychopathic schtic of .xxx! Fucken Christ!

Yeah and watch the Search Engines just block off .xxx, watch wives push husbands to block .xxx, wait for ISP's to block off traffic to...

Ultimately wait for politicians to come in and justify that adult entertainment should only be on .xxx domains. This is censorship at the wheel don't get taken for this ride.

The hole fucken thing stinks of bullshit.

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Doctor Dre

Wouldn't be a bad idea. No more kids surfing porn ... :P

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Kids will find a way dude just like all of us found dad's Penthouses bud...
Once again proof that Computers are not just a fucken game console in a house. Parents have to take responsibility for there kids. We should not have to.

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tony286

What about parents watching what the fuck their kids do?

xenophobic

it's only a proposal right now anyway, it has not been approved as a gTLD by ICANN.

If people want to block porn, that is their own business, if corporations who owns their hardware and lease their lines want to do so, they can.

If ISP's decide to block .xxx, people will just go elsewhere, people who don't want it.

btw. this global conspiracy to eradicate porn, who is going to force the russians, europe and the rest of the world to block porn?

Porn $$$ is huge, if they haven't banned tobacco, you think they'll ban porn?

jeez take off the tin foil hat

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE

They can take that proposal and just eat shit...

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tony286

What do you exactly do in the adult online industry?

xenophobic

I administrate multiple managed/dedicated servers that host adult content.

thanks for asking!

cashman

It's just a matter of time, the benefit is whoever wants porn will go to the .xxx extention if allowed and not blocked by their wifes or husbands.
Overall it would suck.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE

I am sure all of us would love to have an Amendment made barring the government from requiring domains to be relegated to certain area's of the net.
THATS NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

It truly is a matter of freedom of Speech and expression the way they are going about simply builds a bridge that will eventually back fire on us. Our business will be herded into a corner make no mistake unless laws are made further to protect Freedom of Speech and Expression.

Until then Parents oughtah watch there children, a PC in a home has the same potential to create the most sophisticated weaponry on earth...
Ya think Internet Access and PC's are supposed to be some sort of toy for little "Tommy"?

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tony286

When I talk to parents and they tell me their child has internet access in their childs room. I ask them would they let their child walk the streets of a big city alone. They say of course not ,then I tell them well you are doing that by having a internet connection in your childs room . The net is not TV or a vcr its a living thing.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE

Them little pencil dicks are gonna prolly fucken push it through.

Can someone look up the name of that cocksucker proposing this?
What was the name?

I bet that fucker is a psychopathic right winger they decided to casually label an "Entrep".

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Pleasurepays

and how exactly is this going to work?

how many TLD's are there today? how many adult sites on say fuck.com, fuck.net, fuck.org, fuck.info, fuck.us, fuck.ca, fuck.ua, fuck.ru, fuck.tv, fuck.ws etc etc etc.... and all those sites get shut down except for 1 lucky guy who registered fuck.xxx?

i have been thinking about this issue since it was brought up 5-6 years ago and i still cannot see this happening.

tony286

Very good point

Volantt

Just like the CAN-SPAM act was suppose to fix spammers. lol

V

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FightThisPatent

Great article about the people and motives behind .XXX

http://news.com.com/2010-1026-517661...tag=nefd_acpro

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"Under his proposal, submitted last week to the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN), .xxx domain names would be sold for $70 to $75 each. Child pornography would be verboten, but pretty much anything else would be permissible, Lawley said. "Apart from child pornography, which is completely illegal, we're really not in the content-monitoring business."
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Stuart Lawley is the president of ICM Registry, the ones proposing .XXX

Yes, .XXX is done in the name of stopping child p*rn.. at the super cheap price of webmasters paying $70-$75 per domain

While they say that .XXX is voluntary, there is lobbying being done to Congress to pass a law.. when it's a law, it's mandatory.

Is .XXX really about keeping kids from seeing the "bad" stuff?

According to Lawley from the article:
"Lawley and his partners are in the business to make money. A report from Reuters Business Insight in February 2003 calculated that sex represented two-thirds of all online content revenue in 2001 and that it had ballooned to a $2.5 billion industry since then. Lawley estimates that 25 percent of all Internet search queries are related to sex and that more than a million adult domain names exist. Owning the rights to sell pieces of .xxx real estate, he concluded, would be a perfect way to make money off consumers' insatiable appetite for online raunch and ribaldry. "



(translation note: Consumers = webmasters)


Draw your own conclusions.


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AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE

Here are some quoates from the Mr. Stuart Lawley

" A British citizen, Lawley swears that he's no smut seller himself. "I have no current or historic links to the adult industry in any form," he asserts."

This guy is not an American. He is British.

And here is somthing regading his old business.
http://moneyextra.uk-wire.com/cgi-bi...01288496H.html

This is bullshit, the guys got cash but has no clue about the issue's that will be bound to spring board from this sorta decision by ICANN.

Ya ever heard the term...

"From England with love."
This is one of them moments.

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tony286

After he makes his $60 per domain sold he doesnt care what happens to the industry. He is already saying he isnt a smut peddler. lol

FightThisPatent

.com domains would get some kind of hold period to register the .xxx equivalent.



Average cost of .XXX domain = $75

Average number of domains per webmaster = 200

The look on webmasters face when congress passes .XXX and no one stood up against it.......... priceless



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Mr.Fiction

The Free Speech Coalition had debates over this issue including some of the best free speech lawyers in the United States and the consensus was that this idea would be very bad for the adult industry.

People who spend their lives fighting for free speech for the adult industry are against it, maybe that tells you something?

Instead of .xxx, they should promote a .kids extension, and only allow content that is safe for kids. Then kids could have their own part of the internet and adults can have free speech.

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FightThisPatent

Blacklisting and Whitelisting have the same problems... whoever owns the gTLD, has the monopoly, and there is regulating it, etc.

The answer already exists today:
http://www.icra.org/_en/label/

Sites that are kid friendly can tag themselves with the ICRA label.

Microsoft IE browser (haven't checked the others) has the option to allow the browser to only view sites that have the ICRA labelling. Click TOOLS, then Content tab, then click Enable button in Content Advisor, and then configure)

Parents can implement this by a few clicks in IE, and their kids wouldn't be seeing the bad stuff.

Technology is available already to help parents. Parents just need to learn how to use the computer as well as the kids.


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Mr.Fiction

I agree with you in theory, but let's assume that politicians want to pass some law so that they can pretend they are doing something. Rather than trying to stop them from passing any law, which won't work, we should encourage them to look at the .kids option over the .xxx option.

It's only a matter of time before these right wing anti-free speech types do something to try to censor the internet. If they are going to do something, it would be better if they passed a law creating .kids instead of .xxx.

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xenophobic

are you under the perception the government proposed the .xxx domain? because they didn't.

believe it or not the United States government doesn't run the world, nor the internet.

The thought that the gTLD .xxx will bring round a porn ban is pretty stupid.

Anyone want to show case history around internet censorship around the creation of a gLTD?
perhaps show why you couldn't buy a domain (apart from requiring POP)
where you were locked into only buying a certain domain before?

It always amazes me as soon as a law/idea is purposed (doesn't even have to be in effect) people run here and start posting about the end of free speech/internet/porn/etc
wtf.

Mr.Fiction

Are you under the perception that the current right wing U.S. government has no interest in getting rid of porn? Because Bush and A-s-h-c-r-o-f-t do.

There has already been pressure on the U.S. government from the far right to put all adult content into a specific domain extension (so that it can be filtered out by ISPs.) One reason that it can't happen right now is because there is no adult extension.

The creation of a .xxx extension would be the first step toward the U.S. government censoring the internet for U.S. citizens.

If you don't think that the U.S. government can force U.S. companies to comply with U.S. laws, then you need to go back to law school.

This issue has been debated and discussed for years by lawyers and adult webmasters and last year it was a major issue for the Free Speech Coalition.

There are no benefits to the adult industry and many potential problems.

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xenophobic

I'll ask again, who can enforce this issue if your servers are located in Europe or Canada?

All the russian companies that own porn on .com / .net is the U.S going to remove them off the internet too, perhaps make them comply with U.S law?

tony286

Your right they cant but they can with the companies that are in the USA. It doesnt matter where your servers if you are here in the USA. If it becomes a law and you break the law, you are in trouble no matter where your servers are, if you live in the USA. Do you work for the guy who wants to do this? If you really worked in Adult you would understand the waves for this industry this will cause financially. You seem way too pro for someone who is supposed to work in our industry.

xenophobic

pro? I think I said I find the very thought of forcing everyone into using .xxx is groundless, and unlikely to happen.

there are lots of gTLD's very few of them come with any restrictions to their use (edu/mil/gov?) however no one has been forced to register their domain into a specific gTLD before, nor has it been enforceable.

If I do not agree with people who spam graphic images to peoples e-mail box, and use spyware installers on their site am I anti-adult also? do I have to believe in all your ideals to post here?

tony286

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