wargames

Im currently working on getting a huge fraud webmaster list together. I have contacted a couple of diffrent affilates that i know personally and the list keeps growing. If you are intrested in adding to the list hit me up on icq or email or post your info and i will contact you. Also if you need a copy of the list hit me up. Lets put a dent in fraud

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Jive

Now your talkin.. I've seen a list another guy is working on as well.. I sent him my huge list just the other day...

and all the off shoot side sponsors branching/spawning off of the main fraudulent ones.

He asked me to send along the moderator/employee lists as well
I mentioned to him it's almost 5 years worth of notes i've taken
down on who is who in the industry? the bad to the worst my opinion
the goofs in the business..

spam me at [email protected] with your current list please..

WiredGuy

LOL

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LA Mike

hahahahaha, what a dummy! lol

Jive

BP

Jive

so is Silvertrash Mikey! anyone is a dummy to promote that frauding program i'm sure it's on the list?

J.R.

Yeah, let me know.

I have about 10 or so for you.

Chris from Large Cash and I talked about this
idea a year ago.

I think there should be a place that all webmasters
can login and add real cheaters.

This will surely help in time.

wargames

Thanks for your help jive email sent

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kush

Will the list be published?

wargames

It wont be published but whoever needs it i can forward it over to them.

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Jive

exposing the truth awakens you? I think bringing out the real intentions of any non-paying sponsors or mistreating staff screwing webmasters seems to me should be brought out in the daylight don't you.. or the boycotting webmasters plan should be explained.. why some webmasters are boycotted and abused for no reason.. should be examined to.. but that's another matter..

I'm more than willing to just join in on the fraudulent sponsors that are running this business into the ground and read and perhaps add some things to the clown list..

wargames

Very cool J.R. hit me up on icq or email or i can contact you. let me know

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Theo

Who are you to create such list?
Are you gonna list the source that reported each webmaster?
Are you familiar with privacy issues in these cases?

broke

So you are looking to create a whitelist?

Welcome to two years ago.

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WiredGuy

hehehe, seriously this list will be more like a list of sponsors that are good to work with

WG

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Jive

Well I have this guy that is.. and please forward your findings along to me if you can thanks.. there's more ways to skin a dirty cat! if these sponsors are only out to screw everyone then they get there's in the end so be it?

they need to update Serges goodbad and the ugly site..

again post your paying program to day no frauds please I've seen enough..

WiredGuy

My interpretation of the truth and yours differ quite widely apparently.

WG

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Meloman

Wargames.. Do a search and look up Jives previous posts before believing anything he says or sends you.

Let's put it this way.. When you finally read his negative list I bet it covers EVERY sponsor out there. If he actually lists a sponosor he likes let us all know, it would be a first.

ElvisManson

I thought you sold most of your sites and were getting out of this biz dave?

What happened? No one to harrass in real life?

Meloman

Your interpretation of SANITY and his differ quite apparently

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE

Alot of Liability issues with this...

Just a couple words about it...

BE FUCKEN CAREFUL!

A name on the list can claim slander, defamation etc...
You know these things obviously and even passing on the literature can be problematic.

Besure that documentation comes with definitive Proof of fraud activities.

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Jive

your one of the many on the list dude! all the programs you represent are frauds. and your on the employee/moderators listings as well. there in the process of finishing this up on there website..and you look fruity exposing you *FAGBOY*..

wargames

True i will have my lawyers re look into this. I am just tired of fraudulant webmasters getting there way.

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AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE

Document document document the proof in triplicate and I think ya might be onto building a foundational resource for many to use.

Seriously

Good luck man.

Ya might want to look into models such as EQUIFAX and the likes and how credit beurough's keep credit checks and collection claims in order.

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Meloman

WOOOHOOO, I made it to the top of Jives list.

Oh you really love me don't you.

Jive.. if you're so hell bent on exposing sponsors why don't you post your stats?

Where's your proof?

Anyone with half a clue is going to read your "report" and realize what a goof you are, lol

Jive

showing the public in what all these employees have done in the past there goofy antics and alittle more only shows there true appeal and nothing more.. I really think it looks swell..

it's only a opinion of what this website represents the other side of employee failure.. I guess. just the idiot side of things..

what funny chuckling eperience that makes me jump with laughter! keep up the good work guys!..

Jive

it's not my list goof.. my stats and income is my biz.. fuckoff you little twisted fagboy.. you look like a turtle faced bottom feeder idiot!

Jive

Sorry dude but this melonman is just another payed monkey that is on a chain and is told when to jump? and is a thorn in my side.

he is attached to several non-paying programs that we have gotten no where fast with.. and we don't like lies we want to only deal with truthful sponsors not the clown patrol and clean businesses.. no games.. sure I only expose the poorest sponsors speak the truth and pass judgement on them. sorry but this is how it goes..when they try to fuck me around.. my opinion..

the worthless clowns grow bigger with time on this board..

this is the only way for these idiot sponsors to be forced to clean up there congames run clean! same goes with the corrupt CC processors that are fucking everyone too.. thats another matter too.. there shopuld be a fraudulent Processor list?

Meloman

Jive you crack me up with your dilusions.

Seriously now. If you so believe sponsors are shaving you then post proof! Post a months worth of stats with one sponsor and then a months worth with another and show us the difference?

With all the time you place dodging EVERY sponsor out there you could actually put that time into puting together some real proof.

Dave, seriously now, the way you handle yourself is very strange. You just come on this board and spout off at the mouth with no proof of anything. You've dogged EVERY sponsor out there including ones that each and every one of us here make money with.

Hell if I believed you I would suport you, but you come off just so retarded all the time. Even what you say about me is so opposite from the truth, so how am I to believe anything you say about sponsors?

Dave you need to take a step back and look at how you come across to the whole GFY community and figure out a solution cause no one is going to take anything you say seriously.

Meloman

For anyone that cares

1. Me and Jive have had our little piss fest go on for years now, even before I worked for Webquest and was only a webmaster at the time.

2. He would come to my main sponsors board at the time and and post BS claims of shaving etc. Just by looking at my PERSONAL stats which I'm willing to bet are VASTLY bigger than Jives, I could see he was full of crap. So our piss matches started. Him claiming all sorts of bs and me posting stats that showed otherwise.

Jump ahead a few years later and Jive is still going around posting his BS. He litterally bags on every sponsor program out there.

All the stuff Jive even says about me is all made up BS. Anyone that's met me knows I'm not gay. I even brought my girlfriend with me to Vegas. Not that it matters at all anyways. But since I see him LIEING about me daily what makes me want to believe what he says about sponsors?

I've got news for you Jive. You're living in a fantasy world where you think everyone is out to get you and shave you. Maybe your traffic just sucks or you need to update your marketing approach?

Wiz

Where is Integrated when we need him ?

Integrated we need your libel sale pitch!

Basic_man

BoneProne?

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Jive

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Meloman
[B]

For anyone that cares here's the real facts about fagboy melonman:



You were just sucking cock back a few years ago and running your cheap AVS sites that fell apart you are nothing more than a payed chearleader and try to talk big? you also tried to be asskissing goof on Maxcash program and yes your a fag. I don't care if you are or not. this isn't the issue dude. it's who you represent the company you wrok for only is bad news and does care about there webmasters nor pay.. so you fall under the scumbag team! you fell apart as a independent webmaster as your ideas and methods failed so you had no choice but to be a slave to these con artists *my opinion* you can think what you want dude but I have followed your path and others to view this as a bad idea and the msot part your a failure? it all comes dowen to sponsors really and the one's your with just don't want to pay me or have decided to boycott me along time ago..
so you guys end up on the shit list I guess and not wanting to playball? anways I don't wish to speak with you anymore as this is getting know where.. and won't ever unless the companies your connected to clean up there act. good day..

I only bring up the porr sponsors that aren';t paying and will go on that list. you are acctack by me and very hated by most as you started with your poor attitude and lies many years ago at MAXCASH.COM and they didn't give me a break only to shave the crap outta me being one of my first promoting sponsors there program fell apart and it looks good on them.!

what comes around goes around= frauds!

good day melonman..

Jive

OH here's the fucking crackhead junkie talking shit now..

I remember this goof Brent/employee/ telling me on the phone he had HEP and wasn't at all well etc.. you be friended me jerkoff.. scammed me..

your not to be at all trusted Brent.. you broght this on yourself trying to shave the crap outta me..

I leased content from your programs and promoted them you guys fucked me over.. what can I tell ya.. you and your programs are deadends for me.. your program and you as a employee are going on that fraud list forsure.. excuse me while I email them..

Jive

fuckoff goof.

WiredGuy

Let's see the list, I need a list of sponsors that are good to work with. Your blacklist will be my whitelist

WG

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WiredGuy

LOL, you crack me up Jive. I'm more than happy to trust Brent with my cash!

WG

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Meloman

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jive
[B]And see here is where you're dead wrong. I never failed at anything in this biz. My personal traffic is stronger than ever. I'm willing to bet that I made more last MONTH than you did in the last 6 months. I'd be willing to post stats to proove it to if you have the guts??? I haven't done AVS stuff in years and am pretty much search engine exclusive.

I work for Webquest for FUN straight up. They are a great company with a great rep in this business. If you read any of my posts you'll noticed I mention A LOT that I send my PERSONAL traffic to them. I wouldn't send my own traffic here if I didn't think it would do well. I am proud to be assoicated with such a kick ass company. Nothing beasts working for a company because you WANT to not because you HAVE to. Not too mention is makes a hell of an extra income check :-))))

More importantly is that I get to manage more traffic that you will EVER see. I see on a daily basis how a ton of sponsors convert and see with my own eyes that everything u say is BS.

Jive you're wrong about me 100% and therefore I believe your 100% wrong about everthing else.

Jive

just more employee babble spewing outta your mouth..

like I said there's very little real webmasters speaking on here anymore. as your/the/ companies you represent have shaved them so badly there not around here anymore. the talkers on here are moderators only..payed talkers.. and the programs that are advertised on here aren't paying period your such a fucking idiot.. a poor salesmen! most sponsors are boycotting and notb paying anymore certain key players do get payed we have figured that much.. thsi old porn game is kinda like a old TV show you get board of watching the same old actors and once inawhile they add new ones to try and capture interest,but it's still the same scam game.. to bad you guys are fucking it up..

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Clueless.
I've worked for big guys I worked for small guys dude.
Ya know what...
You have no fucking clue what I think "War" might be doing. Nor do I got details, but I do know Large companies go through enormous pains identifying fraudulent webmasters and scamsters in there programs to stop loosing money from spin men.

Employee's of companies do as they are told for the team. If you had a clue about teaming up with people ya would know that they work just as hard if not harder to turn profits for themselves and honest webmasters.

For every affiliate program out there there is 400 Scamming webmasters trying to rip em off daily. Identifying those scammers and sharing the collective knowledge would be an immense undertaking and you can count on this sorta list being made not by one man...
But a team of folks that work together...
Think about it.

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Jive

LIES,just more employee babble spewing outta your mouth..

if the industry was doing so swell I would be bitching all the time?
about the frauds and scammers and selling most of my bussiness like alot of webmasters I know personally have, facts.. your full of shit.. payed talking bullshit. you just might manage some okay traffic but your company doesn't pay independents like myself!

Ken doesn't pay anyone like me that is. I had some kick ass traffic sent to different sponsors but they all fuck me over in the end..

there's no stability in this business sorry stop shoveling the shit..
you discussed me. you have no truth.. tell you bosses to start paying then they be more popular not less.. on different forums..

and don't give me the old marketing shuffle talk like most MODS do.. that was a olf favourite of screwball fast talker Alley at Maxcash..another deadend played out badly.. maxcash.com

trying to trick everyone oto getting traffic for free. the sucker approach does work! he.he. need I say more. there loosers bigtime..look at there chat board old TOMCAT is still there no one else is. gee whY? same with ARS program burning everyone they can.. there going down hill fast too. so don't tell me all theses programs are running swell, there garbage and not paying just shaving period.. ceeya. melonman..

don't take this personally it's who you run with.. they don't pay..

Meloman

I never said the indsutry was doing well. The whole industry is in a tough spot right now with everything going on.... Visa, Acacia etc..

Traffic is harder to get now aday and YES it is harder to convert too. No one signups as easily as they did years ago.

Credit Card processor SCRUB harderr then ever to keep chargebacks down. Surfers are more net savy.

And this one is dedicated to you:
TYPE IN TRAFFIC ISN'T WHAT IT USED TO BE!!!!!!!

But this is why people like me still succeed in this environement. I still look around and try to find the best traffic and the best ways to sell that traffic. There will always be hurdles, you just need to figure out how to get around them.

Jive this is NOT 1996. It is NOT easy to get and sell porn traffic anymore.

By going off on every sponsor out there you've effectivly cut off a source of "information" for you. Rather than going off on everyone and calling everyon shavers...maybe a better course of action would have been to stay level headed and befriended more program owners and higher up webmasters. Maybe you would have been able to learn some new traffic sources and news ways of marketing?

Or mabye if the sponsor owners actually liked you they may give you special payouts for your "oh so great traffic"..

But the bottom line and the truth is:

You had a decent list of Type In traffic. Type in trafffic doesn't convert as well as it once did in 96. Surfers are more net savy. As ratios got worse that's when you started complaining on the boards. WE HAVE ALL SEEN THINGS GET TOUGHER OVER THE YEARS!!! You're not the only one. Untill recently I've seen FPAs on your domains with invisible links to other domains. That SE trick died of years ago yet u still keep at it?

As someone else said recently. Shovel shit in and you'll get shit back. That about sums up your way of doing biz.

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"By going off on every sponsor out there you've effectivly cut off a source of "information" for you. Rather than going off on everyone and calling everyon shavers...maybe a better course of action would have been to stay level headed and befriended more program owners and higher up webmasters. Maybe you would have been able to learn some new traffic sources and news ways of marketing?"

COULDNT HAVE SAID IT BETTER.

Over some time I taken note on this guy "Jive". Its bummer but he has gone and hit everyone with a name in some manor and its pretty fucken sad and gettin kinda "Old".

Sounds like he used to do well...
Turn it around Jive. If ya did great before ya should do even better now dude, or maybe ya just enjoy pokin the eyes of folks that work really hard?

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Jive

Well you have some insight dude I have tried and trusted many sponsors but they haved fucked me in the end? if they were smart a few years ago they would have offered me and others actual jobs or a traffic deal of some sort? seeing i'm a wiz at getting traffic and creating traffic trends and YES, I have made some very good money over the years but I also get tired of the constant battle with a huge population of worthless sponsors waiving the flag all the time but don't pay me for sales... I also understand there traffic ratios are changing for sales but I see the boycotts and the constant shaving and burning that just sickens me! the sponsors are shaving there way out of business they need the balance of networking to even things out, they can't do it on there own. with out suffering and destroying the independent webmasters it doesn't work like that, having all the cake and eating it too. this method doesn't work in math terms.

i will post any program I feel that isn't playing fair with me and are dis-honest sorry.. but if they want to fuck around then so be it. 'facts' my opinion..
will be place on all forums as I see fit if they stop fucking me over then I'll treat them with respect it's a 2way street, stop trashing the webmasters then the trashing will stop!

.. good day..

Jive

I think there should be a place that all webmasters
can login and add real cheaters?

I sorta like this idea.. "build it and they will come"

chrisp420

every bit counts, good luck

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Jive

Sounds like he used to do well...
Turn it around Jive. If ya did great before ya should do even better now dude, or maybe ya just enjoy pokin the eyes of folks that work really hard?

I can't work if i'm getting fucked all the time by the sponsors now can I?

sponsors need to turn the fucking fraud/shave/ ideas off!

synergysex

Is anyone checking the integrity of this list to make sure that no one is grinding axes?

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nastynun

Good idea and they should show proof of such claims.

Jive

why are you offended by the truth? if you are then fuckoff..