I have so many links on my site, in my "directory" section, that I do not remember off the top of my head.

Obviously these sites are not the ones I promote the most, and I am not disgruntled because of the money, just the business practice.

And sure nobody here have any real reason to believe me, but do you believe me more or less than British model Adele Stevens? Just read what she says on the page I posted a link to earlier.

Ok this is where I don't buy it. How can you not know?

If it happened to me I would be here bitching about how much the sponsors sucked and they should bail me out.

A decent sponsor would...I remember when WSB went down on Triplexcash and they paid me out in full.

Easy now, if you really want to know I can look it up ok?

I have about 400 links in my directory section.

Does is really matter what sites it is?

Geez, looking it up now...

AlexsVids.com, Bendability.com, , BDShowcase.com, CelesteVon.com, MontrealDream.com, and ZoliGirls.com

These were sites that fitted into otherwise rather empty directory categories on my sites, so I used them to fill some blank spaces.

Satisfied?

Have they said they're stealing/keeping your commissions?
They're taking your commissions to pay off the money you owe them!

And if the directory categories were empty, why not delete them rather than fill them with "rink-dinky" sites with "not much interest"?

1) Read this email I got from them, after I asked them what exactly suspended means.

"Dear webmaster,

Suspended means that you cannot process transactions through Verotel.

Our Risk Management department and I have discussed this, and as your last invoice was larger (in the negative) than your previous 3 positive invoices, we are not willing to reauthorize your account before the negative amount is paid.

Regards,

Sam
Verotel Merchant Services BV "

Now I might read this wrong, but I don't think so, it says that any commision in between now and when my check has been received, they deposit it and it clears, they will steal!!!

And like some of these webmasters on other links I posted, are discussing is hwo much are they (Verotel) actually deducting in my account on a chargeback, some says that they might add a $15.00 fee on top of the full amount, I hope not!

2) I think a few links with my affiliate code look better than a blank space, and some of those sites where actually added to my site by the site owner.

i've reread the letter you've posted in this thread a few times now, and i don't see where you are getting this notion at all. nowhere in that letter do i see them informing you that they are going to begin stealing from you... where does it say that..?

First of all, they're saying you cannot process transactions through Verotel. In other words, they're telling you "DON'T SEND US TRAFFIC UNTIL YOU SEND US A CHECK."

If you continue to send them traffic, of course they're not going to pay you. They told you not to send the traffic, doofus.

And yes, chances are you'll have a $15-$25 fine imposed for each chargeback. Verotel gets fined that much for each chargeback, so why should they have to cover it?

As for an "empty space", what I said was take the category out of your directory if it has no listings. For example, if you have a category called "Anal Midget Fisting" with no anal midget fisting sites listed, delete the category! Don't fill it with shit sites where the surfer is getting ripped off!

thats what i don't get, it doesn't seem to say that at all. if your posting the entire body of the email, then yes, you're wrong. it doesn't even mention anything about 'commissions', it says your account is suspended... that means you won't have any money coming in until you are unsuspended..!

TO: chupacabra

Then read this line again:

"Suspended means that you cannot process transactions through Verotel."

I read that as any sales, and therefore commision coming from visitors off my site, that sign up as a member, is not being counted.

What the heck do you read this as, if not what I do?

Like I said, it means they don't want you sending sales to them. If you continue sending sales, you're an idiot!

I'll make it nice and clear for you. What they really want to say is "TAKE YOUR SHITTY TRAFFIC, FUCK OFF AND DIE."

If there is a chargeback fee, then I do not think it is fair that they put it all on me.

It should be spread amongst the website, and me the affiliate, thats is same percentage my commision of the sale is.

If my commision is 50%, sure I could "maybe" accept that I should should cover 50% of the chargeback fee.

How about you verify with Verotel instead of asking GFY?

Also, do you understand the fact that they don't want your traffic yet?

yes, that line means exactly what it says... "you cannot process transactions through Verotel.", period. they aren't going to do business w/ you until you clear up the chargeback issue, and they probably will not want to do business w/ you again at all after this public smear campaign.

quit sending them any traffic, i seriously doubt they are processing any transactions from your account since they've already determined that your traffic is a risk..

i don't think he gets it psyko514, you wouldn't happen to have a .jpg featuring a certain SamJackson in a famous role w/ a very pertinent quote handy? it seems called for in this thread, but i cant find it..

You're absolutely right psyko514, I should not ask GFY, as long as it contains people like you, I will receive more crap and flaming instead of professional courtesy from my fellow webmasters.

But that's ok, as long as 1 reply out of 10 has some usefull information, it's still worth the hassle.

lol... unfortunately, i don't have it :)

So basically, you don't understand what chupacabra and myself are telling you?

I'm flaming you because you're an idiot.

Verotel is telling you to stop sending signups to sites they process. And you're accusing them of stealing from you. You're a fucking idiot, plain and simple.

I hope Verotel sues you for libel.

It might mean that they don't want my traffic, but it's not what they wrote.

QUOTE:

"we are not willing to reauthorize your account before the negative amount is paid."

look, this is not a flame... you've got to understand though, we don't really get what your even accusing them of! from the email that *you* presented in this thread, they aren't stealing from you in any way... if anything, its the other way around if you have an outstanding balance w/ them for multiple chargebacks that you haven't made good on... they surely feel "stolen from" if they are out money for even doing business w/ you, and you haven't paid..

Personally, I think Verotel should rethink on how they payout on affiliates. With iBill, the paysite owner is responsible for any losses and so fourth concerning affiliates. If a affiliate goes into the negative, it comes out of the paysite owners money. After all, it's supposed to be the paysite owners money that is paying the affiliate. Verotel is just making the payments for the owner out of the paysite owners money. So any positive or negative affiliate balance should be credit or debited from the paysite owners balance.

I understand their policy on this when it's applied to paysite owners. By shouldn't the negative balance be taken out of the paysite owner and let the paysite owner take care if they want to keep the affiliate or not? If the affiliate goes back into the positive, the money can be given back to the paysite owner and taken out of the affiliates.

no 'might' about it, they don't want your traffic. don't stick them for fraud generated from *your* site, don't *steal* from them..!

They told you that you can't process transactions with them.

If you go against what they tell you and continue to process transactions with them, why on earth should they pay you?

It's not rocket science.

I am getting sick and tired of quoting previous posts in this thread because, because a few people can't read.


"I don't claim I have been ripped off, I say that I do not like Verotel's practice of suspending affiliate webmasters, and stealing their commision, until they send a check and it clears.

Affiliates should share their part of the charge back - Yes

Suspension if account goes in negative is fine - Yes

Holding back commisions until check has been received and clears is fine - Yes

Stealing commision until check has been received and clear, now way José - Not acceptable."



If you still do not understand what this is about, then go irritate somebody elses thread.

Thanks

TO: icedemon

Thanks for your much needed support, I sure needed it :)

Hey genius, you're the one who doesn't understand what this is all about. It's evident you aren't fluent in English. Perhaps you should have a friend explain their email to you.

They told you you can't process signups with them. That means you have to stop sending them signups. If you continue to send signups, you won't be paid. THAT'S NOT STEALING.

If you don't understand this, let me know and I'll draw you a picture.

you haven't presented anything that shows they are doing this, nor that they've even indicated any intent to do this at all... methinks it isn't *us* that cant read.

they've told you they don't want to do business w/ you, if your still attempting to send sales to them in light of this fact then noone here is going to know what to tell you..

here, this might help..

http://blog.vollmondlicht.com/images...h_monterey.jpg

TO: psyko514

"They told you you can't process signups with them. That means you have to stop sending them signups. If you continue to send signups, you won't be paid. THAT'S NOT STEALING."


You're so busy finding flaws in my grammar, that you fail to see the whole picture, and even thread.

Sure I can easily take down the links on MY SITE, but what about sample galleries I posted on TGP sites. Some of these TGP sites will ban me if I change or take down the gallery.

What about the people, and commision, coming from signups on those galleries, until my check is cleared? I don't get a penny!

I call this business practice unethical, and I doubt it is legal.

And yes for your information, English is my second out of 4 languages I speak and write.

I'm not sure if what I said supports you or not:) It just seems kinda weird that Verotel is taking the responsiblity of paying the affiliates out of their own pockets instead of the paysite owners pockets. They are also suspending affiliate accounts, when that should really be the paysite owners worry.

If Verotel did take it out of the paysite owners pocket like it really should be, Verotel wouldn't have to worry about what the affilates are doing. The paysite owners should be responsible for the affilaites. Not Verotel.

Just seems Verotel should of thought this out better on how the affiliate system for paysite owners should be done.

look, it isn't their problem where you submitted galleries, they've suspended your account, and it sounds rightly so... and its definitely both ethical, and legal, for any processor to make this call..

I'm don't care about your grammar. My problem is your comprehension. What Verotel is doing is legal and ethical.

Your traffic is not good. It has proven to be a risk. They're asking you to stop sending the traffic for the time being. They have every right to do that. There's absolutely nothing illegal or unethical about that.

The galleries are YOUR problem, not Verotel's. You have a choice.
- You can leave the galleries as they are and not get paid for them.
- You can change the galleries and risk being banned.
- You can contact the TGP owners and present your situation to them and see if they'll allow you to change the galleries without being banned.

It's not rocket science, it's only common logic. I used to think everyone was born with it.

TO: icedemon

Any responses other than flaming, and patronizing on this board, is support :)

Cough...

Have you actually clicked on your affiliate links lately to see what happens? It's possible that Verotel is not passing the surfer through to the site, or perhaps they're blocking at the signup form. I don't see why they would suspend your account and 'steal' your referred transactions if they considered your traffic sufficiently risky to suspend you in the first place.

Good question rowan,

I just tried a few (2) and they both went to the site I am affilaite, as they where supposed to.

Even at 5.5 + 2.0 = 7.5% a 3rd party proc would profit after all expenses if they can get just couple big clients so when a proc charge 15% it's profiting bigtime :2 cents:

you think a 2% fee would cover all of their expenses and let them turn a profit?

let's think about this.

they have to pay for their offices. they have to pay to furnish their offices. they have to pay for their computers, servers, hosting, domains, software licenses, office supplies, telephones and more.

they have to have a call center to handle surfer calls. they have to pay the salaries of the call center employees. they have to pay their programmerrs, their tech support, their affiliate support, their other employees, and more.

add things like fines to Visa/MC, fees for accountants and lawyers, costs of throwing events and other advertising and it adds up.

the bigger the clients the take on, the bigger the company has to expand and the more costs they incur.

if any processor on this earth is able to take on a client processing $5 million a year, not incur any additional costs and still make a profit at a 2%, my hat goes off to them.

Ok I'm fucking pissed off now. I just found out that my account is "suspended' already since 12 March !! I have never received an email of Verotel at all. This is so bad. I have lots and lots of sponsors. My charge back ratio's are always under 1%. This is not going to be a nice phone call tomorrow. !! :mad:

Welcome in the camp freeones :(

Even though we are competitors, I feel for you.

Count me in for a class-action lawsuit against Verotel

class action lawsuit for what? cancelling your account and telling you to stop sending shitty chargeback traffic?

lmao :1orglaugh

good luck finding a lawyer, hotshot!

keep us update on this upcoming lawsuit.