Kappy

...which are linking IN ANY WAY to a dialer.

So if you or the sponsors site that you are advertising has, for example, beside the option to pay with credit card an additional option to pay per minute for international users then all these ads will be disabled until you remove this dialer link from your sponsors site.


This is a new policy and has started immediately today, adwords support wrote me this about this topic:

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Thank you for your email. We apologise for your frustration. Please know
that the integrity of the Google AdWords programme is very important to
us, and this change helps us to maintain consistent and fair standards of
review. This ensures that we continue to provide a high quality
advertising programme that protects both our advertisers and our users.

Previously, our policy allowed ads linking directly to dialers, or to
websites featuring dialers, to run within the programme in a limited
capacity. However, we can no longer permit the inclusion of these ads
within AdWords. Ads that may no longer be advertised via the AdWords
programme include, but are not limited to the following:

- Ads with a Destination URL that triggers a dialer
- Ads that link to a website that initialises a dialer after a set amount
of time has elapsed
- Ads that link to a website that includes links (webmaster content or
advertising content) to dialers
-----------------------------------------------------------------


Now how fucked up is this?

Steve

make your own Full Page ad/hosted tours

problem solved

Kappy

read my post, problem not solved. as long as there is the option to pay per minute ON THE JOIN FORM all ads will get disapproved.

Sexy Rex

Use a sponsor where you can enable / disable payment options

www.totemcash.com

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Idiots.

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Kappy

and where is this option in your program? I can't find it.

Steve

bah - sorry, I must admit I didn't read all of your post
this is much worse than usual - I dont think there is a PPS program that doesn't at least filter crap traffic off to dialers

bluff

excellent dicision

Steve W

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chowda

they keep disapproving, i keep putting new ones up.

its 9AM over there

try when its like 6AM and see if u get ur words accepted

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Tuga

This is very fucked up and could explain the low traffic I'm getting from them.

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4Pics

promote www.datinggold.com or www.partnerpayouts.com neither uses a dialer.

Kappy

sorry, not installed

TheSenator

Look at sig and promote....brand spanking new

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Kappy

hmm, my browser keeps crashing when I try to open the "site preview".

Kappy

I already tried something like this, but my ads are not getting any impressions, they are disabled from the start now...

chowda

did u create new campaigns or use existing ones?

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Kappy

I already tried both

Kappy

well the fucked up thing is that nearly all sponsor sites have this additional pay per minute option on their join sites.

So you can't promote any topbucks, siccash or nastydollars site anymore on google for example. They all have a pay by phone option.

DialerMaster

Well it is not the end
if you use dialer that are not abusing the end user and not put them on first page, it will work..

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Shooter

Does this affect the sites where they charge your phone bill like 30 bucks and then give you 1-month's access? Or just sites charging by the minute?

Kappy

no, you are wrong.
I'm linking from my own landing page to the first site of a sponsors tour from topbucks for example. There is no dialer anywhere, but if you are at the end of the tour you'll get the normal topbucks join page like this for example:
http://www.gayvideosxxx.com/s3/join.html
And there it is, an additional payment option to pay by phone. That's it. From today on you are not allowed to link to this tour anymore.

This is what they wrote me about it:
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Our AdWords Specialist review all of our ads to ensure that they comply
with all of the guidelines. When they reviewed your website they could see
a dialer on the following page when you click on pay per minute
international access : http://www.gayvideosxxx.com/s3/join.html .
This is where the dialer can be found. I assure
you that as soon as this is removed from your website, we will be able to
review your ads again.
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Kappy

I'm not sure, it looks like that they will disable all ads that contain something that works like a dialer, whether it charges per minute or per one time fee.

They wrote:
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When you click on any of the links on your page, you offered payment options. One of the payment options is: "No Check, no Credit card? Download Porn Software" This is a Dialer.
We have updated the Google AdWords ad policy ...
As a result, we cannot promote ads or ads for websites that interfere with users' Internet interactions or that may jeopardise trust in the Google AdWords programme.
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Kappy

so no one else got disapproved yet???

well wtf is this? I can't believe it...

TheSwed

ARS4REAL have this option in linking codes
cen= This variable determines if you will send to the censored or uncensored versions of the tour. If left blank, surfers will be sent to the non-censored tour. If cen=y, surfers will be sent to the censored tour. The censored tours have no webphone option and no dialer on the join page.

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Rawz

Thats really fucked up, if your not auto installing a dialer then wtf is the problem . Google makes all these fucking Adword rules yet they still spider and produce searches with the most nasty, illegal shit you can possibly find on the net .

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Kappy

yes, you are right.

And they use these lame disclaimers now in all support emails they send out:

"Please note that the decisions we make concerning
advertising in no way affect the search results we deliver."
and
"Google believes strongly in freedom of expression and therefore offers broad access to content across the web without censoring search results."

to try to explain why paying advertisers are treated like idiots and all others can do what ever they want



I still hope that all this dialer bullshit is just a bad joke.

iwantchixx

This effectively cuts out the middle man. Affiliates can't promote certain programs via adwords anymore but the programs themselves can make a join page wih no dialer option and promote the sites themselves and keep full revenue.

alecb

can anyone explain the problems associated with dialers

/newb question

thanks,
al

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Kappy

very true

Seb From Holland

Only gay programs will spam their no dialer shit in this thread...

Kappy

they charge you per minute, and mostly they are expensive.

But users can choose whether they like to use a dialer or not. Google doesn't seem to know this, or google thinks all their users are low-brainers who can't fill out a credit card form and therefor they have to use the dialer.

Nicky

ive never tried google adwords, were they any good??

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Kappy

they were really good until the austin update, sice then so lala

Kingfish

Correct me if I am wrong, but there is a distinction between join by phone and a dialer isn?t there? Most sponsors have join by phone option where you aren?t required to download any software your phone bill is just charged for access to the site.

SomeCreep

Damn, what a shitty move on google's part. Webmasters must have been abusing dialers to the point where google was overwhelmed with complaints.

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Mr.Fiction

This reminds me of back when Goto started adding so many rules that it became a full time job to try to keep up with them.

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hjnet

Nope, I also got their disapproved emails a few minutes ago. I've sent them an email and tried to explain the difference between an aggressive dialer and one that is used as an additional billing method, but I guess we'd need a lot more people to email them and explain to them that they made a mistake.

Theo

Please note that if you submit these ads again, we will be unable to run
any of your AdWords ads in the future.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Sincerely,

Ruth
Google AdWords
UK and Ireland Team



after all this time and money this shitty attitude?

hjnet

I guess they'll start to think about their ban when they've lost ~30% of their adwords costumers within the next few weeks, but hopefully we don't have to wait so long.

Theo

this time they declined my submission for a dialer on the 2nd exit, while I can still see a shitload of dialer campaigns for UK traffic. Their traffic, their rules. Webmasters and adult companies should comply, because I doubt google will step back on this.

Kappy

yes their traffic, their rules - but its our money that feeds them. You google fuckers, really I don't have other words for you anymore. You could have given us 1 or 2 weeks time to request changes on the sponsors sites.
Instead you're acting like kids in the kindergarden without any sence and respect for business relations

NoCarrier

How about asking the sponsors offering the option to create a new signup page without that option? I'm pretty sure they will be open minded to it. I mean, you can't get more quality traffic that targeted traffic.

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Shooter

This is the same thing I'm curious about. Has anyone received any feedback on this?

rabbit

it sucks, google is very picky.

but here's another solution for you guys: my review site affiliate proggy. all my adwords links are running without any problems.
you get to keep 9 out of 10 clicks from the review to the paysite. and i guarantee you'll get a better conversion from the review than sending it directly to the sponsor.

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Kappy

Believe me, your site is one of the next that will get disapproved!

I did a quick look and you have also for example nastydollars and topbucks links on your site. And on their joinpages is a dialer link. Thats enough to get disapproved now.

Kappy

Great, a couple of hours ago I already emailed a few sponsors about this new dialer policy and now I'm getting the first replies that they are working on solutions and the first ones will have them ready by tomorrow.

But I suggest to mail your sponsors as well to speed things up and make them aware about the changes.

Kingfish

Responses I received so far:
Platinum Bucks - New linking option with credit card and check sign-up only
Adult Lounge - Aware of the situation seeing what they can do
Top Bucks - Trying to figure out the best solution to the problem
SIC Cash - Waiting to see if they should make any changes (email support asking for it)
Silver Cash - Hasn?t responded to my email.

samuel

I agree with you hjnet, wtf with this? just to place an additional biling method on pages is enough to be banned from google? where are the serious bussiness minds in this world?

Someone should let them know that this is a mistake.

Samuel

Jason

You can disable the dialers in PornDollar

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