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Yes I really think that'd stop at least 90% of the attacks and the rest will eventually fade away. |
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I'm all for a peaceful option out and i believe it's possible if the political will is there, it'll take sacrifice, but in the end the right option is political and economical sacrifices rather than human lives. I also believe people that promote terror need to be held accountable by their own people for real progress to be made. |
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Such a shame. Really.
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You're forgetting who owns the land.
The Jews were there first. The Jews somehow managed to lose it throughout history. Ever hear of the Promised Land? And then they fought and took it back. Last time I checked, if you get attacked, and you fight back and win, you're entitled to a satisfactory peace settlement. And the "Palestinians" can just pack up their shit and walk if they want. |
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liberate the disputed territories from all parties until they learn how to play nice...
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What I am is a realist. Of course I'm sick and tired of hearing about the shit in the Middle East, I'm sick of seeing pics of eight-year-olds holding automatic weapons and vowing to kill their enemies at all costs, I'm sick of hearing about a fresh terrorist bombing every other week, and I'm sick of seeing thousands of them all jumping around in the streets over there like fucking idiots. Being the realist that I am, I know two things: 1) The Palestinians want back all of the land that Israel occupies, and 2) Israel isn't going to move. Once you accept those two points as fact, you'll then realize that the people involving themselves in that conflict don't want a peaceful solution, they don't want peace, they aren't willing to listen to you, and if they do listen to you they will still go away after you're done talking and they will continue to do as they have always done. Kill each other. "Dude"..... there is going to be more bloodshed over this latest assassination. That will cause Israel to hit even harder, and on and on it will go. My only point was that the only possible outcome I see to this is that Israel go all-out, hunt down and destroy everything that is terroristic in nature. Tough shit if the world then hates them for it, they are pretty much ostracized if not hated by much of the world already so they don't lose much. But yeah, go ahead and suggest your "peaceful workable solution".... maybe get Arafat's email address and run it by him. Good luck with that.
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Then in about fifty years the inhabitants can return to their "holy land" and try to get it right. ![]()
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so it'd be ok with you if the Native Americans started lobbing rockets to get 'their land' back cuz they had it first and somehow managed to loose it throughout history?
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see, I'd totally go for that, buttttt to help pay for the cost of the nucs & cleanup we'd have to do, I'd rather go for the pure old school 'let's liberate' their asses route...so we can try to recapture some of the revnue lost during our 'liberation' of the region... I'm sure we could regain some cashflow from charging them money to come back and visit their old neighborhoods...
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There is no cleanup. The region is rendered uninhabitable for fifty years. After the radiation down to a safe level, everyone that wants to can move back and do the "cleanup" themselves. Hopefully most of the present war-mongering generation will have died off by then and they can get a fresh start. Hopefully they'd learn to live like humans.
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Do they realyy need to do that?
it's sick... just sick.
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If you look into this more you will see that the Palestinians dont won't this "resolved". During the Clinton administration Arafat got just about everything he wanted in the Wye River accord. They bent over backwards and gave into him.
He didnt accept the proposal. The Palestinians have stated time and time again that they want to "drive the Jews into the sea". Sitting accross from the table from them, negotiating with someone that hates your very being, must be difficult. The Palestinians never had a home land. this is not their country. No country in the region wants them. Why do you think that is? The Palestinian Authority has received many of your tax dollars for improving the infrastructure of their regions. They haven't. The Israeli army has had Arafat in their cross hairs before. They haven't shot him. Maybe they should, as long as no one else is killed. Would that be ok? Wait, maybe we should put him on trial first. I don't think so. It isn't necessary. When the Israeli's run the Temple Mount, everyone is welcome to a place of worship. But when it is turned over to the Palestinian Authority, access is limited. If you haven't been, it is hard to describe. Your right, the Jews aren't leaving. Jews from around the world will come to live their if need be. Have we done everything right over there? No. Have we made mistakes? Yes. But, will we ever give up? No. It is our homeland, a very small piece of land. Was it the land of milk and honey, no. It was the land of sand and rock. No one wanted the area. NO ONE! It was divided up out of the countries surrounding it . It built by sweat and blood. The Palestinians wouldn't even be there had it not been for the Brits. Let me tell you about Radar Hill in Israel. This will give you an idea of what the Israelis planned for. Radar Hill is where the Army displays old tanks from each of the previous wars. Much the same as we here in America display old planes, or other vehicles. Except for one thing. As you're going down the line looking at the tanks, you get to the end and you see an empty concrete slab. . . . it is for the tank from the next war that the Israelis win. This is the mentality. The Israelis know that they only get one loss. That is why they fight so hard. I could go on, but you probably stopped reading my rant anyways. |
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Oh did they bend over backwards? In order for a Palestinian state to exist the settlements must be removed. Quote:
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Enough lies. The Palestinians where in there and everybody knows that. And no it's not your homeland, you came to that land and took it by force. Do you realise that? So no matter how you put it, you where even less in there than the Palestinians. |
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Actually, according to pretty much ALL written records, the Jews were there first. And the Jews are there now. And the Jews had to fight wars to defend their land. They won the last several. Crack a history book. Crack open the bible of your choice, it's all in there. If you don't want to buy one they usually have them in hotel rooms.
When you get to the part about Moses finding the Promised Land, you might want to think about where that land was, how they got there, and why they left the old land. Read up on the Six-Day War. You'll learn who actually owned which lands immediately before Israel won them back. And you'll notice that there is no mention of "Palestine" or "Palestinians". Roger, you talk a lot about things you have no understanding of. I challenge you to go there. Go to Israel. Go into Gaza. Go into the West Bank. Talk to some of the people there. Feel the tension. Feel how safe you feel. Then perhaps you will begin your trail to enlightenment. Until that happens, any words you say will be based on intentional ignorance. |
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But yeah... I really do actually feel for the Israeli people, it's not right for people to have to live in fear like they do, the problems need to be sorted out one way or another very soon for everyone in the region. A peaceful solution would be prefferable but like everyone says, they can't see it happening. |
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![]() Fact is, they went there and took over a country that was supposedly theirs a few hundred years ago. I guess it's time for every country to do the same now? So tell me something. If there's no Palestine, then surely those who're living in West Bank and Gaza are Israelis no? Quote:
Actually I too blindly hated Muslims and Palestinians, there's even some of that hate left in me. Seriously though what's your solution? Israelis are not gonna leave and neither are Palestinians. How are you gonna deal with the situation? Bloodshed? |
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Look, I'm all for a peaceful solution over there, but over the past forty years I've kept tabs on the news and there has rarely been a break in the war bullshit for more than a few months at a time in that region. People are sick to death of it. People living in that region are passing down their hatred to their kids, so the bombings and horrible acts of terrorism will continue forever, unless one side renders the other incapable of further terrorism. Without leaders, their ability to fight is severely curtailed. And those trying to make this wheelchair guy out to be a poor old defenseless cripple are absolutely brain-dead in my view.
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Be real. The old man wasn't "innocent", and the killing will continue. This I know.
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The creation of a Palestinian state would ease up lots of tension and end the humiliation and the occupation. Of course that won't happen with Sharon in place but the Israelis are already sick and tired of him. |
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Damn forgot about this thread,, im going to be cutting heads now. lots of fresh material to work with.
But to sum it all up.. Fuck the history , fuck who owned the land previously. Stop killing people you morons.. Thats what it boils down to.. No argument needed for that. You cant really argue or disagree with that theory. Any murder is wrong. If you were the last person to commit it, your the one to blame.. |
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fuck that land. fuck moses. fuck your biblical bullcrap man. i hope they all perish in a fucking desert of bnlood. ive read the bible more than most of you and to be honest, I cant wait for Revelation. hopefully the lord will take all you fucking bible lovers and leave us pagans, and atheists alone, and leave us here so we can repopulate the earth with intelligent people instead of people who are willing to die over biblical land. they call people like that "FANATICS." crack a dictionary and look it up.
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Hey, I'm not saying believe in it, show blind faith, follow the path to righteousness, etc. I'm pointing out its historical value - that it chronicled the events that transpired.
Thus, the land originally belonged to the Jews. Newspapers tell you why it currently belongs to the Jews. Or don't you believe in newspapers either? |
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None of this will help the current situation however far back you look. But the fact remains that NOW CALLED 'palestinian' people were forced from thier homes to make way for present day Israel. Israeli people now live in NOW CALLED 'palestinian's' homes which NOW CALLED 'palestinian' people built THEMSELVES in RECENT history. These people live in settlement camps like they have since they were forced from their homes. That shit needs to be sorted, or you need to kill them all. |
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3rd millenium BCE: The Caananites were the first known inhabitants of the area. How do we know this? They built urban city states and left abundant archaeological evidence of their presence. Through the end of the 2nd millenium, Israel was conquered incessantly by the hittites, hurians, amorites, and finally egypt. The Jews, under David, did not manage to conquer & unify Israel until 1000BCE, 2000 years after it was first occupied. This 'pax judeana' lasted a whole three hundred years until, in 721BCE, the Assyrians pimpslapped the kikes and took control over the then divided kingdom of Israel. Throughout most of the CE years you will find that Israel has been controlled by the Romans and various Muslim states all the way up until the 1900's. Conclusion: Far from being the original discoveres or posessors of the land, the Jews are nothing more than a footnote in the history of the land known as Israel and Palestine today. They didn't discover it first, inhabit it first, or even manage to rule over it for any significant percentage of its history. Ergo, they have no claim to it today. And you have the temerity to whine about other peoples ignorance? hahahahahaha Take your zionist propoganda somewhere else, Hirschel. Like to the ovens.
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That is a sick title. FUck you biatch.
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![]() As long as it doesn't interfere with my day to day life, I could care less what they do to each other.
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