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Why would I give YOU my secrets??????

It's all Shemp's fault - QED.

Why should you? Why should I give you mine?

Maybe if we both share, we both grow.

yup

Hmm... Maybe, but why would I share on a public board for all to see???

Thats what parents are for. Kids should not be on the internet without parental supervision. The problem with parents today is they expect everyone to do thier job for them. The schools (over-restrictive internet useage polices), the government (police babysitting), the TV makers (V-chip), the movie business (MPAA's rating system) and now even the porn site owners.

"But we both have to work - we've got bills to pay - we can't afford to stay home and supervise our kids all the time!", the parents say? Well then, you weren't ready to have kids. A financially stable household can stay running with one parent not working. Too many people are fucking and popping out babies before they are ready.

The porn industry has made a choice to try and present themselves as against children accessing porn when it isnt the porn industry's job in the first place. But they did it because if they didnt, the damn family values nuts would start lynching them.

And I know this is contary to the "industry" stance on this. Oh fucking well.

The fact of the matter is that we all hold back on some key items. If we let the noobs or sleazy in on insider info that makes us money, then there wouldn't be enough for us. Some key tid-bits, took a long time to learn.

My hat off to Shemp who helps many newbies and helped me too. That's why it's all his fault. But, I bet ya, even he holds some things close. A lot of this biz his who you know and the relationships you develope. I think I wanna know NaughtyJenn better.... OK, Amber too.

Some TGPs/sites have an enter page where you have to input your DOB by month/data/year and then hit submit, but I think thats lame.

It is lame!!! Plus it doesn't help ya in court (not an attorney - not legal advice worth anything). Any 12 yearold can click enter.

One more click a surfer may not make - esp on trades.

Plus I think there is an attorney trying to call that his intellectual property. I could say more about that, but learned along time ago not to piss off an attorney, I was married to one. Now I've said to much...

That's really not a viable solution for many reasons.
First, the first 4-6 digits of a credit card number determine the card type and the issuing bank. If it starts with 3, it's an Amex. Starts with 4, it's a Visa, starts with 5, it's a MC.

All TD cards start with 4520, 4551 or 4085. All CIBC cards start with 4501-4505. Etc. Many banks also use the BIN number (the first digits) to determine the type of card. For example, any TD card starting with 4520 is a Canadian card proprietery to the bank (Gold Cards, Classics Cards). All 4551 cards are co-branded (GM, Harley Davidson, Walmart) and all 4085 cards are US$ cards.

Implementing something like this on an internatiol scale would be a real pain in the ass. Frst Visa Int'l would have to implement this as a rule. Then, they'd have to pass it on to Visa Canada, Visa USA, etc.

Then, each issuing bank would have to be assigned a new BIN to support this idea. This would require brand new systems in thousands of banks. Billions of dollars spent on new software, new hardware, new paperwork, forms, stationary, brochures, etc.

If Visa did decide to implement this, it would take years. Recently, Visa Canada decided that merchants can no longer print the entire card number on the receipt. IIRC, they have until 2010 to implement this change.

Also, if they did implement this, it would be nowhere near 100% foolproof. When you add an additional cardholder on your account, you're not required to state their age. Also, when you open a bank account, you're not required to state or age, or you can easily lie about it. And when you give a pre-loaded Visa gift card to someone, no age verification is done.

if you guys are suggesting that a card number is just used for validation, then its a rediculous idea, as long as you know the checksum algorithym you can make up fake numbers on the fly.

tell me the first 15 digits of your cc and ill tell you the last one, they arent random numbers.

no one is suggesting that. dildozer is suggesting charging/authorizing a credit card in order to confirm age and get access to the site (like a paysite or free trial site).

in order for an authorization to be approved on a credit card, the card number has to exist.

the check digit may not be random, but the checksum algorithym is worthless if the first 15 digits i give you are fake.

agreed

Still dosent matter. Ever heard of a debit card? They give them to 6 year olds now. I had my first credit card when I was 12. Just because you have a credit card dosent mean jack shit.

And even if they do somehow make it so that ONLY adults have cards, the kids will just use thier parents cards (without thier permission of course, and then you'll get a chargeback).

do yourself a favour and read my posts in this thread.

you've simply gone and repeated what i've said.

End of discussion:glugglug

That would make him a pretty HUGE fucktard... here, put this in your sig: cp.com/free-cp-samples.html:glugglug

Surf-Friendly works much like that, except it is software run and not dependent on millions of child friendly webpages having to give up established .com domains and having to buy whatever new TLD comes along. The only real extra benefit to doing it that way is millions of $$$ for those who sell domains.

As a courtesy to parents, I put up links to cyber-sitter, safe-surf, net-nanny, and surfewatch on all my warning pages.



First dildozer asks what webmasters are doing, like it's our job to babysite *your* kids...... then he comes up with something about credit cards, which means the problem belongs in the lap of the CC companies. So which is it? If it's the CC company's problem, why isn't he bitching at them?

Let's blame everyone else except those who truly carry the weight of protecting kids...... PARENTS. Too lazy to get protective software and controls in place? Then don't buy an internet connection.

If it's my job to babysit all the kids in the world, then parent's better start paying me the standard three dollars an hour for it.

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