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Ozzymosis1 · 03-19-2004, 06:32 AM

There is an ever growing group of webmasters that sit around and bitch about how badly programs and products convert. I never paid it much attention and have hardly ever found myself getting caught up in it. However it seems that in this day and age more webmasters than ever are coming out into public boards and venues to bitch.

Is the porn industry really that bad? I think the porn industry is thriving just like it has for the past 5 years, and just like it will for the next 5. It's time you start learning how to market these products before investing half a day and $50 to promote a some program that some GFY character told you about. Just because Joe Blow can convert Tawnee Stone like the day she turned 18 doesn't mean you can buy $30 worth of traffic, throw up a $20 tgp design on a free host, and expect to do the same. Take the time you would have spent to make a post on every webmaster board on the net bitching about LightSpeedCash, and learn how to market.

Most of the things that are out there and well known convert, which is why they are still out there. For example, Dialers. Dialers still make major bling, its just that you have to change the way you use them. The same methods that worked 5 years ago are not going to work today. However if you try different methods odds are you will eventually find something that works.

Its funny how the people with successful tgps, programs, dialers, etc... don't ever complain about how products/programs suck.

Discuss.

cluck · 03-19-2004, 06:37 AM

Bullcrap.

I demand fully detailed instructions on exactly what sponsors to use, how to link them and what traffic package to buy to make a big return.

Paul Markham · 03-19-2004, 06:38 AM

Exactly right.

I think a lot of it is new guys who thought this business was going to be so easy. It's either guys who are addicted to porn and would buy anything or guys who think it's all crap and would never pay for porn.

Making money in this industry is the same as others, you have to study it first and some thing jerking off to free porn is learning.

Ozzymosis1 · 03-19-2004, 06:38 AM

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Originally posted by cluck
Bullcrap.

I demand fully detailed instructions on exactly what sponsors to use, how to link them and what traffic package to buy to make a big return.

No problem.

I will give that info to anyone who wants it.

Bidding starts at $20,000.

Theo · 03-19-2004, 06:40 AM

personally i rarely feel the need to bitch about a sponsor. In general I believe there are more than few programs that worths to send traffic.

hova · 03-19-2004, 06:40 AM

Most of the people that are bitching about conversions just don't know how to make something convert, they think they can get a terra.es account put up a banner buy some traffic for 30$ and make bank. And when that doesn't work, they come here and start bitching about it, they never think they did something wrong.

The people that own succesful programs, tgps or whatever don't bitch because they are succesful for a reason.

edit: After typing this, I realize that this a retye of your post

Ozzymosis1 · 03-19-2004, 06:41 AM

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Originally posted by charly
Exactly right.

I think a lot of it is new guys who thought this business was going to be so easy. It's either guys who are addicted to porn and would buy anything or guys who think it's all crap and would never pay for porn.

Making money in this industry is the same as others, you have to study it first and some thing jerking off to free porn is learning.

This industry offers some things that others don't.

1. Everything you need to know to make it can be found for free.
2. You can try and fail and no one ever has to know.
3. There are plenty of people to learn from.

Im sure there are many more, however those are some major incentives and perks to this industry.

cluck · 03-19-2004, 06:48 AM

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Originally posted by Ozzymosis1

This industry offers some things that others don't.

1. Everything you need to know to make it can be found for free.
2. You can try and fail and no one ever has to know.
3. There are plenty of people to learn from.

Im sure there are many more, however those are some major incentives and perks to this industry.

Yeah, as far as a business it's very easy to get started in.

The major thing that people fuck themselves on though is the idea that traffic + sponsor = $. They don't know how to convert the traffic themselves, they leave it all up to the sponsors creatives. Sponsors make some fine galleries and banners but if you're not taking the time to taylor your creatives to each individual traffic source you may as well be throwing your money out the window.

johnbosh · 03-19-2004, 06:50 AM

I am trying my first adultbouncer site:D I use it kinda as a paysite

Ozzymosis1 · 03-19-2004, 07:00 AM

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Originally posted by cluck

Yeah, as far as a business it's very easy to get started in.

The major thing that people fuck themselves on though is the idea that traffic + sponsor = $. They don't know how to convert the traffic themselves, they leave it all up to the sponsors creatives. Sponsors make some fine galleries and banners but if you're not taking the time to taylor your creatives to each individual traffic source you may as well be throwing your money out the window.

Not everyone even knows that it takes more than 1,000 tgp clicks to a sponsor before you will get a signup.

The bottom line is that newbies and some not so newbies need to take the time to learn about the things they want to do to make money, and try different things out untill they find something that works.

It's realy kind of sad how easy it realy is. The webmaster market has grown to be so large that everything that is needed to make money can be purchased, leaving the only real job left to be done, learning how to put it all together.

Juicy D. Links · 03-19-2004, 07:14 AM

good morning

jayeff · 03-19-2004, 07:52 AM

A lot more has changed in the market over the last 5 years than just the way you need to sell. Perhaps one reason newcomers complain so much is that their expectations have been raised too far.

These days it sometimes seems like webmasters are exposed to more advertising and promotion than surfers used to see. All of it promising, more or less directly, easy money: a promise few if any can actually deliver on.

Go back 5 years and the money was easy. At the same time, the webmaster "community" was more tightly knit and you didn't need to network much to know which sponsors were hot and which to leave alone.

Actually I answered this because of what you wrote about the need to sell. It's interesting that first we accepted the need to filter and now we are accepting the need to (all but) make the sale. Filtering is a logical thing for traffic sources to be doing, but should we be selling too?

Affiliates may feel the need to do the selling because so many front ends ignore what webmasters tell each other (and sometimes the sponsors themselves tell us!) makes for effective sales. But it's not exactly an efficient way to go. If you take 100 good traffic generators, how many of them realistically are also going to be good salesmen? I'm certainly not and that's the main reason I chose to generate traffic rather than run a paysite or AVS sites. That choice was supposed to let me focus on what I do best.

To that extent, we are doing the exact opposite of what happens in most industries as they mature. Instead of people becoming more specialized, we seem in some respects to be expecting them to become more diverse. And you know what they say about Jacks of all trades...

LittleMack · 03-19-2004, 08:06 AM

Ozzy, I agree with you. There are plenty of ways to make money in this biz, it just takes alot of work. Like any biz you cannot be successful sitting on your ass and hoping it pays off. People must come up with creative ways to covert and promote the sponsers. Just my

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jayeff · 03-19-2004, 08:13 AM

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Originally posted by LittleMack
Ozzy, I agree with you. There are plenty of ways to make money in this biz, it just takes alot of work. Like any biz you cannot be successful sitting on your ass and hoping it pays off. People must come up with creative ways to covert and promote the sponsers. Just my .

Down to "cannot be successful sitting on your ass..." I agreed with you. But it always seemed to me that once I had to start actually converting the sponsors myself, it would be time to run my own sites (again).

doornx · 03-19-2004, 08:20 AM

if a program doesn't work for you ..move on and don't bitch

you can ask for help but not screaming that sponsor X is shaving because you can't convert your freshly purchased hitbot traffic

Briscoe · 03-19-2004, 10:21 AM

Who has time to do the work needed to build a successful business when I'm building galleries all damn day?

If I only had a few clones... damn republicans...

TDF · 03-19-2004, 10:24 AM

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Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
personally i rarely feel the need to bitch about a sponsor. In general I believe there are more than few programs that worths to send traffic.

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indeed

Sly_RJ · 03-19-2004, 10:29 AM

I don't have time to bitch.

lock · 03-19-2004, 10:39 AM

I will totally agree i have seen people cry and spit over what does and what doesnt convert. If they made as much effort to work as they do to complain they might make it.

mardigras · 03-19-2004, 10:58 AM

If a sponsor is doing something obviously shady there's nothing wrong with someone warning others.

Marina · 03-19-2004, 11:13 AM

I think 5 years ago things were very different.......... 6+ years ago there was piles of cash for the taking at every turn! Amazing amounts of cash being made with very little effort.

But now with every joeblow having a paysite and shaving you into the ground so he can have money and be a PLAYA - well its ridiculous!

The nice thing with webmasters who are not afraid to blast a sponsor on the boards these days (6 years ago webmasters RARELY blasted sponsors on the board!!) its more informative when you can draw your own conclusions.. I read what webmasters say and the response from the sponsor and usually can tell by the posts who is bullshitting.

and I remember when I started there was NOT any info about shit ... now there are hundreds of webmaster info, resource sites out there! I remember people always saying no one will hold your hand... but nowadays you can type in anything you are in question about and get page after page of info in the search engines.

I agree that some people just are NOT sales people... they steal ideas and have NO clue. But the nice thing is they will go away real quick!

I like to try various shit out and judge for myself... if I feel its shady I tell other people behind the scenes of the board.... I rarely go on the boards and bitch just tell others on icq, word always gets around and you dont always have to be screaming on the boards but then again this is the day and age of the DRAMA QUEENS & Sig whores.....................

Ozzymosis1 · 03-19-2004, 11:26 AM

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Originally posted by mardigras
If a sponsor is doing something obviously shady there's nothing wrong with someone warning others.

How often are company actually doing something shady?

Company get slammed daily. I have a hard time believing that even 98% of those company are actually cheating anyone.

Most of the companies out here are just trying to make a living like everyone else and the best way to do that is to provide a high quality service

Ozzymosis1 · 03-22-2004, 08:16 PM

03-19-2004, 06:32 AM	#1
Ozzymosis1 Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: United States Occupation: Traffic Broker Company: Fast Adult Traffic URL: FastAdultTraffic.com ICQ: 233907523 Posts: 2,094	Webmaster That Complain About Programs And Products There is an ever growing group of webmasters that sit around and bitch about how badly programs and products convert. I never paid it much attention and have hardly ever found myself getting caught up in it. However it seems that in this day and age more webmasters than ever are coming out into public boards and venues to bitch. Is the porn industry really that bad? I think the porn industry is thriving just like it has for the past 5 years, and just like it will for the next 5. It's time you start learning how to market these products before investing half a day and $50 to promote a some program that some GFY character told you about. Just because Joe Blow can convert Tawnee Stone like the day she turned 18 doesn't mean you can buy $30 worth of traffic, throw up a $20 tgp design on a free host, and expect to do the same. Take the time you would have spent to make a post on every webmaster board on the net bitching about LightSpeedCash, and learn how to market. Most of the things that are out there and well known convert, which is why they are still out there. For example, Dialers. Dialers still make major bling, its just that you have to change the way you use them. The same methods that worked 5 years ago are not going to work today. However if you try different methods odds are you will eventually find something that works. Its funny how the people with successful tgps, programs, dialers, etc... don't ever complain about how products/programs suck. Discuss. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Last edited by Ozzymosis1; 03-19-2004 at 06:37 AM..

03-19-2004, 06:37 AM	#2
cluck Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 5,248	Bullcrap. I demand fully detailed instructions on exactly what sponsors to use, how to link them and what traffic package to buy to make a big return. __________________ icq 279990726 www.mcdonalds.com <- great money making opportunity

03-19-2004, 06:38 AM	#3
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Exactly right. I think a lot of it is new guys who thought this business was going to be so easy. It's either guys who are addicted to porn and would buy anything or guys who think it's all crap and would never pay for porn. Making money in this industry is the same as others, you have to study it first and some thing jerking off to free porn is learning. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

03-19-2004, 06:40 AM	#6
hova Traffillionaire Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: ICQ:209371571 Posts: 22,430	Most of the people that are bitching about conversions just don't know how to make something convert, they think they can get a terra.es account put up a banner buy some traffic for 30$ and make bank. And when that doesn't work, they come here and start bitching about it, they never think they did something wrong. The people that own succesful programs, tgps or whatever don't bitch because they are succesful for a reason. edit: After typing this, I realize that this a retye of your post __________________ http://traffillions.com/ Sign up and get lifetime revshare on your traffic

03-19-2004, 08:06 AM	#13
LittleMack www.pornkings.com Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Florida Baby!! Posts: 4,645	Ozzy, I agree with you. There are plenty of ways to make money in this biz, it just takes alot of work. Like any biz you cannot be successful sitting on your ass and hoping it pays off. People must come up with creative ways to covert and promote the sponsers. Just my . __________________ [email protected]

03-19-2004, 06:40 AM	#5
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	personally i rarely feel the need to bitch about a sponsor. In general I believe there are more than few programs that worths to send traffic.

03-19-2004, 06:50 AM	#9
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03-19-2004, 07:14 AM	#11
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03-19-2004, 07:52 AM	#12
jayeff Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,944	A lot more has changed in the market over the last 5 years than just the way you need to sell. Perhaps one reason newcomers complain so much is that their expectations have been raised too far. These days it sometimes seems like webmasters are exposed to more advertising and promotion than surfers used to see. All of it promising, more or less directly, easy money: a promise few if any can actually deliver on. Go back 5 years and the money was easy. At the same time, the webmaster "community" was more tightly knit and you didn't need to network much to know which sponsors were hot and which to leave alone. Actually I answered this because of what you wrote about the need to sell. It's interesting that first we accepted the need to filter and now we are accepting the need to (all but) make the sale. Filtering is a logical thing for traffic sources to be doing, but should we be selling too? Affiliates may feel the need to do the selling because so many front ends ignore what webmasters tell each other (and sometimes the sponsors themselves tell us!) makes for effective sales. But it's not exactly an efficient way to go. If you take 100 good traffic generators, how many of them realistically are also going to be good salesmen? I'm certainly not and that's the main reason I chose to generate traffic rather than run a paysite or AVS sites. That choice was supposed to let me focus on what I do best. To that extent, we are doing the exact opposite of what happens in most industries as they mature. Instead of people becoming more specialized, we seem in some respects to be expecting them to become more diverse. And you know what they say about Jacks of all trades...

03-19-2004, 08:20 AM	#15
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03-19-2004, 10:29 AM	#18
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03-19-2004, 10:39 AM	#19
lock Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 5,065	I will totally agree i have seen people cry and spit over what does and what doesnt convert. If they made as much effort to work as they do to complain they might make it. __________________ Traffic.Tools - 40+ Free Tools Free.Marketing - 150+ Free Tools Submission.Tools - 20+ Free Tools

03-19-2004, 10:58 AM	#20
mardigras Bon temps! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: down yonder Posts: 14,194	If a sponsor is doing something obviously shady there's nothing wrong with someone warning others. __________________ .

03-19-2004, 11:13 AM	#21
Marina Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: at my fucking desk Posts: 437	I think 5 years ago things were very different.......... 6+ years ago there was piles of cash for the taking at every turn! Amazing amounts of cash being made with very little effort. But now with every joeblow having a paysite and shaving you into the ground so he can have money and be a PLAYA - well its ridiculous! The nice thing with webmasters who are not afraid to blast a sponsor on the boards these days (6 years ago webmasters RARELY blasted sponsors on the board!!) its more informative when you can draw your own conclusions.. I read what webmasters say and the response from the sponsor and usually can tell by the posts who is bullshitting. and I remember when I started there was NOT any info about shit ... now there are hundreds of webmaster info, resource sites out there! I remember people always saying no one will hold your hand... but nowadays you can type in anything you are in question about and get page after page of info in the search engines. I agree that some people just are NOT sales people... they steal ideas and have NO clue. But the nice thing is they will go away real quick! I like to try various shit out and judge for myself... if I feel its shady I tell other people behind the scenes of the board.... I rarely go on the boards and bitch just tell others on icq, word always gets around and you dont always have to be screaming on the boards but then again this is the day and age of the DRAMA QUEENS & Sig whores.....................

03-22-2004, 08:16 PM	#23
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