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Spunky · 03-18-2004, 10:04 PM

Fuck Bush...Commie pinko bastard

xxxdesign-net · 03-18-2004, 10:06 PM

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Originally posted by AcidMax

I see countries like France, Germany et al., opposing the war against Iraq yet when it comes down to rebuilding Iraq and their economies they want a piece of the pie? Talk about self righteous, I agree America is not perfect, and we cannot be everything to everyone but I do believe you need to do some research about all the things the U.S. does accomplish and how we support many other countries, granted I dont know much about Rwanda, but out of my league? I dont think so.

lol.. you should do research of your own... France and Germany wanted a piece of the pie because Iraq owed them major coins... Will the new Iraq pay them back?? If so.. wouldnt be a nice gesture for Bush to let France and German get their money from contracts instead of making the iraqi people pay.!??? mmmmh...

Roger · 03-18-2004, 10:10 PM

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Originally posted by AcidMax
America does everything within its power to help other countries, yet I see countries like France, Germany et al., opposing the war against Iraq yet when it comes down to rebuilding Iraq and their economies they want a piece of the pie? Talk about self righteous, I agree America is not perfect, and we cannot be everything to everyone but I do believe you need to do some research about all the things the U.S. does accomplish and how we support many other countries, granted I dont know much about Rwanda, but out of my league? I dont think so.

I thought the US invaded to help the Iraqis. How is denying the Iraqis the products of other countries is supposed to help?
I see Bush screwing up everything the US have worked so hard to accomplish, that's what I see. Don't like the US justice system? Let's send them to Guantanamo Bay. Can't torture prisoners? Let's send them to our Syrian friends. Need proof before invading a country? Screw that. Need I go on?

Maybe you should read more about Rwanda. I'm currently reading Romeo Dallaire's book and he reveals interesting things about how super powers like France, the US and UK go about deciding wether they should send troops or not. They sent there own teams on the ground to investigate and you know what they report back? Something like: "Nothing of value here, only humans not much in the way of resources."

Mr.Fiction · 03-18-2004, 10:14 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX

in addition:

WE SHOULD INVADE TEXAS FOR GIVING US BUSH THEY VOTED HIS ASS INTO GOVERNOR AND STARTED THIS WHOLE PROCESS!

AcidMax · 03-18-2004, 10:14 PM

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Originally posted by xxxdesign-net

lol.. you should do research of your own... France and Germany wanted a piece of the pie because Iraq owed them major coins... Will the new Iraq pay them back?? If so.. wouldnt be a nice gesture for Bush to let France and German get their money from contracts instead of making the iraqi people pay.!??? mmmmh...

Exactly France cared more about the "coin" then they did about the thousands of people being killed by a crazed mass murderer. You just proved my point.

Roger · 03-18-2004, 10:16 PM

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Originally posted by AcidMax
Exactly France cared more about the "coin" then they did about the thousands of people being killed by a crazed mass murderer. You just proved my point.

If they did care more about the coin then they'd be the first ones going over there with the US. A new market of millions of people opening up brings billions and billions of $

AcidMax · 03-18-2004, 10:19 PM

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Originally posted by Roger

I thought the US invaded to help the Iraqis. How is denying the Iraqis the products of other countries is supposed to help?
I see Bush screwing up everything the US have worked so hard to accomplish, that's what I see. Don't like the US justice system? Let's send them to Guantanamo Bay. Can't torture prisoners? Let's send them to our Syrian friends. Need proof before invading a country? Screw that. Need I go on?

Maybe you should read more about Rwanda. I'm currently reading Romeo Dallaire's book and he reveals interesting things about how super powers like France, the US and UK go about deciding wether they should send troops or not. They sent there own teams on the ground to investigate and you know what they report back? Something like: "Nothing of value here, only humans not much in the way of resources."

Who said anything about denying iraqis? I think the Iraqis should benefit from the products of their country.

You guys act as if this was all a republican conspiracy and none of this happened during the democratic presidency, many of the people who are serving in the judicial system, political office etc were also elected during the Clinton administration. The fact of the matter is that I dont think the republicans are "PERFECT" but I do think they have better beliefs than the democrats. The democrats are passive and care more about being someones friend instead of standing up for what is right. Many of the problems we face today as a country were set in place during a passive 8 years of the Clinton Admin.

Yes I will read more about Rwanda, as I stated I cannot speak on that subject as I know nothing about it personaly, but will make a point to research it myself and form my own opinion.

Good luck to you and have a good evening. Thanks for the intellectual discussion, maybe we can pick it up another time.

AcidMax · 03-18-2004, 10:20 PM

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Originally posted by Roger

If they did care more about the coin then they'd be the first ones going over there with the US. A new market of millions of people opening up brings billions and billions of $

They were one of the first ones bitching about the loss of contracts because of the war.

Roger · 03-18-2004, 10:22 PM

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Originally posted by AcidMax
They were one of the first ones bitching about the loss of contracts because of the war.

I never said they didn't care about the coin, everyon cares. I said they didn't care MORE about the coin.

Roger · 03-18-2004, 10:29 PM

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Originally posted by AcidMax
Who said anything about denying iraqis? I think the Iraqis should benefit from the products of their country.

Oh they should but they sure need to import to.

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The fact of the matter is that I dont think the republicans are "PERFECT" but I do think they have better beliefs than the democrats. The democrats are passive and care more about being someones friend instead of standing up for what is right. Many of the problems we face today as a country were set in place during a passive 8 years of the Clinton Admin.

I thought the republicans cared more about being the Iraqis friends than anything else.

If you think that anti-gay, anti-porn, anti-abortion, pro-abstinence are better beliefes then there's seriously something wrong with you. I tell you what, if you lived in the ME you'd have noticed that they where kicking the ass out of religious extremism. Why do you tink 9/11 happened? Muslims in there where starting to think that hey the US finally cares.

Ironhorse · 03-18-2004, 10:35 PM

Everyone is always debating how there was no connection between Iraq and War on Terror and here is a brief chronology of events, hopefully you will see how these events are connected. In any case it's obvious Iraq was a pivotal point for both Bush dynasty and Osama bin Laden network and either ones' future seems to depend on the successful takeover and control of Baghdad and its oil resources as well as a powerbase in the region due to its resources (not just the oil). Saddam the evil moron is just a pawn in an old and well orchestrated game. I will try to keep it short and sweet:

1989 - Osama bin Laden travels to South Yemen and warns of imminent invasion of Kuwait by Saddam. http://www.worldhistory.com/binladen.htm

08.02.1990 - Saddam invades Kuwait http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/h...t_invasion.stm

1990 - Osama bin Laden objects to non-muslim troops presence in holy land and volunteers to lead an arab army against Saddam's occupation forces, in effect getting close to declare Jihad on Saddam - http://www.worldhistory.com/binladen.htm

08.08.1990 - First US troops arrive in Saudi Arabia http://www.history.navy.mil/wars/dstorm/dsaug.htm

1990-1991 - US forces based in Saudi defeat Iraqi army in operation Desert Storm - http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/gulf/cron/

1991-1996 - Bin Laden's objections to US (non-muslim) troops based in Saudi Arabia escalate into several terrorist attacks including bombings in Yemen, Somalia resistance, USSCole attack and other attacks coordinated during his extensive travels to Pakistan, Afghanistan, Sudan - http://www.worldhistory.com/binladen.htm

1996 - Bin Laden issues a 'Declaration of War' its intent to remove US army presence from the Arabian peninsula

1991-2003 US and British bombing campaigns enforce 'No Fly Zone' in Iraq - http://www.historyguy.com/no-fly_zone_war.html

1998 - Operation Desert Fox - Allied campaign in Iraq intensifies with intent to degrade Saddam's ability to produce weapons of mass destruction - http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/desert_fox/

1998 - Bin Laden issues Fatwa urging Jihad against Americans. The conditions to cease Jihad are 1. Removal of US presence from Arabian peninsula 2. Cessation of No Fly Zone enforcement by US 3. Withdrawal of US support of the state of Israel - http://www.ict.org.il/articles/fatwah.htm

09.11.2001 - World Trade Center attacks, Pentagon and downed plane in Pennsylvania. Osama bin Laden is blamed - http://911digitalarchive.org/

10.2001 - Operation Enduring Freedom - US and coalition forces fight against terrorists in Afghanistan - http://www.army.mil/operations/oef/

2003 - US and Coalition of the willing invasion of Iraq

AcidMax · 03-18-2004, 10:41 PM

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Originally posted by Roger

I thought the republicans cared more about being the Iraqis friends than anything else.

If you think that anti-gay, anti-porn, anti-abortion, pro-abstinence are better beliefes then there's seriously something wrong with you. I tell you what, if you lived in the ME you'd have noticed that they where kicking the ass out of religious extremism. Why do you tink 9/11 happened? Muslims in there where starting to think that hey the US finally cares.

Believe it or not I am not a hardcore republican I just follow more of their beliefs than the democrats. Many republicans are pro-life and yet I believe in pro-choice. It's all a matter of opinion.

If I believed in anti-porn I wouldnt be here, but that is a non-partisan thing, you can find just as many democrats fighting porn as you can republicans. I think we as a nation in general care about the iraqis and about their freedom, I am glad we liberated Iraq, I just see way to many democrats voting against things we need to fight the war on terror and to support our troops and countries we are liberating. I would love to see the ME fight the battle over religion and their beliefs, yet when Israel defends themselves everyone gets pissed, its no different they are just defending themselves against terrorism.

Roger · 03-18-2004, 10:55 PM

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Originally posted by AcidMax
If I believed in anti-porn I wouldnt be here, but that is a non-partisan thing, you can find just as many democrats fighting porn as you can republicans. I think we as a nation in general care about the iraqis and about their freedom, I am glad we liberated Iraq, I just see way to many democrats voting against things we need to fight the war on terror and to support our troops and countries we are liberating. I would love to see the ME fight the battle over religion and their beliefs, yet when Israel defends themselves everyone gets pissed, its no different they are just defending themselves against terrorism.

Is that why there was nobody convicted under obscenity charges while Clinton was in office?
Bullshit, if you care so much then why did you take over there country? You claim to care and yet you wish you could nuke the whole region. How about it's none of your business? If you didn't stick your business in the region to begin with and supported Saddam and Ben Laden you wouldn't have had to deal with them. I'd love to see a non-homophobic, non-religious US but do you think I'm gonna try to impose my views upon other countries? Try living in the ME nowadays as am arab Christian. Just when things started to get better, it all blew up again.
I can't believe that people are dumb enough to fall for the "we are there to liberate Iraqis" line. I mean seriously, if you cared so much, the cost of the war on Iraq could've put an end to famine and saved the lives of many children. Allies and other countries commit atrocities whenever they feel like it.

Israel was created thanks to terrorism. They blew up the King David hotel and the UK ran away. Palestinians had nothing until they started using terrorism. We sure as hell didn't care when they wheren't using terrorism. Look at Tibet.

AcidMax · 03-18-2004, 11:04 PM

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Originally posted by Roger

Is that why there was nobody convicted under obscenity charges while Clinton was in office?
Bullshit, if you care so much then why did you take over there country? You claim to care and yet you wish you could nuke the whole region. How about it's none of your business? If you didn't stick your business in the region to begin with and supported Saddam and Ben Laden you wouldn't have had to deal with them. I'd love to see a non-homophobic, non-religious US but do you think I'm gonna try to impose my views upon other countries? Try living in the ME nowadays as am arab Christian. Just when things started to get better, it all blew up again.
I can't believe that people are dumb enough to fall for the "we are there to liberate Iraqis" line. I mean seriously, if you cared so much, the cost of the war on Iraq could've put an end to famine and saved the lives of many children. Allies and other countries commit atrocities whenever they feel like it.

Israel was created thanks to terrorism. They blew up the King David hotel and the UK ran away. Palestinians had nothing until they started using terrorism. We sure as hell didn't care when they wheren't using terrorism. Look at Tibet.

Continue to focus on your own beliefs instead of th good of that country. If you believe removing sadam from power was wrong, then you are just plain wrong in my opinon.

As far as obscenity charges, you might want to research how democratic governers and such were attacking adult companies and removing their ability to process credit cards during the last election. As far as obscenity, this topic only arises during election years, and thats it. It always goes away!

I cannot speak about living in the middle east, however I can see how iraqi's although are not completely satisfied with the current results of the war, they ARE much happier that saddam was removed from power. Soon we will relinquish power to their own goverment authorities and they can form their own goverment without fear of death. Saddam had an election with only his name on the ballot, how fair is that?

Roger · 03-18-2004, 11:24 PM

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Originally posted by AcidMax
Continue to focus on your own beliefs instead of th good of that country. If you believe removing sadam from power was wrong, then you are just plain wrong in my opinon.

Wether I'm right or wrong doesn't matter, what matters is that it's none of your business to get involved in.
UK and France thought they where doing the right thing to by invading African countries and introducing them to there own culture. Result? African countries are still stuck with a hundred year old culture.

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I cannot speak about living in the middle east, however I can see how iraqi's although are not completely satisfied with the current results of the war, they ARE much happier that saddam was removed from power. Soon we will relinquish power to their own goverment authorities and they can form their own goverment without fear of death. Saddam had an election with only his name on the ballot, how fair is that?

They feel humiliated, that's how they feel. Once again, try living there. Relinquish power to a puppet regime? Do you know that Iraqis can't protest against the US occupation at the risk of being shot at?
Somehow I don't think that the Iraqis are ready to handle that task, afterall the US got rid of Saddam, if any other problems arise they won't deal with them, they'll wait for someone else to do so.

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Ironhorse Pixel Pusher Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 7,093	Everyone is always debating how there was no connection between Iraq and War on Terror and here is a brief chronology of events, hopefully you will see how these events are connected. In any case it's obvious Iraq was a pivotal point for both Bush dynasty and Osama bin Laden network and either ones' future seems to depend on the successful takeover and control of Baghdad and its oil resources as well as a powerbase in the region due to its resources (not just the oil). Saddam the evil moron is just a pawn in an old and well orchestrated game. I will try to keep it short and sweet: 1989 - Osama bin Laden travels to South Yemen and warns of imminent invasion of Kuwait by Saddam. http://www.worldhistory.com/binladen.htm 08.02.1990 - Saddam invades Kuwait http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/h...t_invasion.stm 1990 - Osama bin Laden objects to non-muslim troops presence in holy land and volunteers to lead an arab army against Saddam's occupation forces, in effect getting close to declare Jihad on Saddam - http://www.worldhistory.com/binladen.htm 08.08.1990 - First US troops arrive in Saudi Arabia http://www.history.navy.mil/wars/dstorm/dsaug.htm 1990-1991 - US forces based in Saudi defeat Iraqi army in operation Desert Storm - http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/gulf/cron/ 1991-1996 - Bin Laden's objections to US (non-muslim) troops based in Saudi Arabia escalate into several terrorist attacks including bombings in Yemen, Somalia resistance, USSCole attack and other attacks coordinated during his extensive travels to Pakistan, Afghanistan, Sudan - http://www.worldhistory.com/binladen.htm 1996 - Bin Laden issues a 'Declaration of War' its intent to remove US army presence from the Arabian peninsula 1991-2003 US and British bombing campaigns enforce 'No Fly Zone' in Iraq - http://www.historyguy.com/no-fly_zone_war.html 1998 - Operation Desert Fox - Allied campaign in Iraq intensifies with intent to degrade Saddam's ability to produce weapons of mass destruction - http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/desert_fox/ 1998 - Bin Laden issues Fatwa urging Jihad against Americans. The conditions to cease Jihad are 1. Removal of US presence from Arabian peninsula 2. Cessation of No Fly Zone enforcement by US 3. Withdrawal of US support of the state of Israel - http://www.ict.org.il/articles/fatwah.htm 09.11.2001 - World Trade Center attacks, Pentagon and downed plane in Pennsylvania. Osama bin Laden is blamed - http://911digitalarchive.org/ 10.2001 - Operation Enduring Freedom - US and coalition forces fight against terrorists in Afghanistan - http://www.army.mil/operations/oef/ 2003 - US and Coalition of the willing invasion of Iraq __________________ [email protected]