I have given facts behind my belief, can you prove anything of your belief he had no weapons?

during gulf war II (sounds like a bad movie) he launched chinese silkworm missiles against kuwait, these weapons were prohibited under the U.N due to their ability to reach his neighbours, if he couldn't comply with a simple missile ban, do you believe he complied with the rest of the rules outlined to him by the U.N?

(I meant kuwait, not saudi as originally posted.)

i dont know alot about politics but i do know that Bush is moron and hasnt done anything good in his existence!

Granted, I don't know this for sure 100%, but something tells me that they're not performing a blind scavenger hunt. "Finding" WMD might involve that in part, but only after setting in on suspect areas (those which have gained that status through other investigation).

If I was looking for 12 Barrels buried in California, I'm not gonna dig holes until they turn up, I'm going to find the documentation laying around that specifies where they're located.

If Saddam had containers of WMD buried out in the vast-nothingness zones of Iraq, wouldn't it be safe to logically assume that there would be some documented information as to where to find them?

Chemical and biological agent delivery systems are a distant bridge to cross when you don't have a way of locating the hidden ingredients.

Yaknow. :2 cents: :thumbsup

I wouldn't assume that it is a blind dig to locate weapons, however there is also a chance evidence was destroyed in order to defy the U.N, not to mention people/places which had the information have been destroyed during missile/bomb strikes.

The United Nations believed there were weapons prohibited by them, and were unable to prove it (for example the "mobile" weapon labs)
Saddam has had over ten years of practice in coveting things he wanted hidden from the world, it is unlikely he would trust this information with soldiers, scientists etc. due to the high amount of defectors during the 1st gulf war who disclosed information to the U.N. I think it's a matter of time until evidence of either weapons, or weapon programs are disclosed.

America is going down day after day!

That will come back and slap you in the face one day . When US will really need help about something usefull, nobody will support them . They failed too follow international rules that were there for a good reason . Now they will be hated by a LOT of people.

That's one dumb answer ... That's the start of an international crisis and they don't want to alarm everybody . I'm sure the economy of the US will take a hit when every country will retire from Irak !

It's good that you weren't tempted to ask because I promised myself not to embarrass any children today.
Therefore I won't post all the articles where the UN and every other country in the world agreed that there were weapons of mass destruction right up to and including the invasion of Iraq.
All this pretending they didn't exist stuff didn't start until we had trouble finding them and then the liberal dopes pounced.

Some people (children mostly) are never happy.
They make dopey posts about how we should be in north korea instead of iraq right up until we ARE in north korea, then the liberal children explain how we shouldn't be there either.
Thats why, during the war on terror, you children and your opinions are ignored.
I know you don't like it, so run out and vote for kerry.
:1orglaugh

Sodium Chloride is not a gas, it is salt :eek7

asshat, here's a clue. If we ever need help, we'll simply divert all the help we give other countries and take care of ourselves.
Imagine a world with its held out begging hand not receiving the US handout.:1orglaugh

50 who fucked up again.

If that's the case, say hello to World War III.

Haha thats because you cant! Find me one of those articles... just for fun.. The UN and "every other country in the world" admitted of the strong possibilities... NOT a certainty.. especially after being fed "solid proofs" by the US... LOL I would be VERY CURIOUS to see the intelligence/proofs those countries had leading up to their conclusion that IRAQ had WMDs.... lol

Give up 12clicks.. you can only fool children.... (and that includes yourself) I will say it again.. asking to explain yourself was mean... Next...

Is this a joke? The silkworm missile was in fact part of Iraq's declarations to the Security Council in December 2002 and does not violate UN sanctions.

You offer no facts and no proof whatsoever. You can lie all you want but the fact is that they do not have WMD's or else they'd have used them.

Yeah,like he always do...

yup

I think George Bush should go stand outside. If he sees his shadow, 6 years of Nuclear winter for Middle East.

The only WOMD used in Iraq in the last 10 years was CNN....

well caught, my mistake I was referring to Chlorine Gas,
which can be produced from sodium chloride.

Do you hear yourself? I'd eat a gun if in my 30's my brain still worked like that of a small child. Good luck with that.

I've never seen 12clicks back anything up w/ facts...don't expect him to start now.

don't worry son, when you're in your 30s you'll have multiple reasons to eat a gun.:1orglaugh

here child:
http://www.nationalreview.com/levin/levin072103.asp
read what your hero had to say and do on the subject with the full backing of liberal dopes like yourself.

:1orglaugh

look child, from the UN:
http://www.un.org/Depts/unscom/Achie...ievements.html

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/...irq.centrifuge

http://www.thebulletin.org/issues/19...so98hamza.html


"""Until 1995, Iraq denied having had any serious intention of building nuclear weapons, despite abundant evidence to the contrary uncovered by Action Team investigations. Then, after Hussein Kamel, Saddam's son-in-law and head of the Ministry of Industry and Military Industrialization, defected in August 1995, his revelations about the scope and intensity of the nuclear weapons program threatened the credibility of the government's denial.

In response to Kamel's defection, the Iraqi government produced the so-called "chicken farm documents." Several days after Kamel fled to Jordan, senior UNSCOM and Action Team officials were taken to Kamel's farm, where a half-million-page cache of documents was stashed in a shed. The documents shed light on extensive programs to develop and build weapons of mass destruction, particularly nuclear weapons."""
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thank god your betters look out for you children.
now go run and play.:1orglaugh

12clicks enough with the lies already. You really need to follow the stories. That insignificant thing that they dug up has been buried since the first gulf war and can serve no purpose now.
If you wanna give facts, come up with something new, not old fishy stories that even the white house doesn't look at them as proof.
As Powell said, Saddam hasn't produced any wmd capability since then.

How much longer are you gonna keep living in your dream world? If you're so concerned about the UN rules maybe you should start telling your own country to follow them. Once again, North Korea does have wmd, I'm still waiting for that invasion.

poor child, reduced to prattling on about things he doesn't understand.
I wonder how you ever got it in your head that anyone believes your dopey statements?
post links to *your* facts :1orglaugh

yeah, you're waiting to complain about us harrassing the poor peaceful people of NK:1orglaugh

how embarrassing for you.

Vote4Kerry :thumbsup

Bush doesn't fuck up. He doesn't care. Learn from history you 'poor little sheep'.

To boil it down to 'With us or Against us' is childlike. Though it's been said before by the likes of people that have created true terror on the face of the earth, Ghengis Kahn, Adolf Hitler etc. Simple ideas sway simple minds.

Ahh Bush.

" The members of the International War Crimes Tribunal, meeting in New York, have carefully considered the Initial Complaint of the Commission of Inquiry dated May 6, 1991 against President George H. W. Bush, Vice President J. Danforth Quayle, Secretary of Defense Richard Cheney, Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf Commander of the Allied Forces in the Persian Gulf, and others named in the Complaint charging them with nineteen separate crimes against peace, war crimes, and crimes against humanity in violation of the Charter of the United Nations, the 1949 Geneva Conventions, the First Protocol thereto, and other international agreements and customary international law:

The members of the International War Crimes Tribunal finds each of the named accused Guilty on the basis of the evidence against them and that each of the nineteen crimes alleged in the Initial Complaint, attached hereto, has been established to have been committed beyond a reasonable doubt.

The members believe that it is imperative if there is ever to be peace that power be accountable for its criminal acts and we condemn in the strongest possible terms those found guilty of the charges herein. We urge the Commission of Inquiry and all people to act on recommendations developed by the Commission to hold power accountable and to secure social justice on which lasting peace must be based. "

your daddy must be so proud. he's probably forgotten all about the coke and drunk driving already.

My facts? The guy wasn't an imminent threat and no wmd's where found, even the US administration admits it. If that doesn't satisfy you then I'm afraid nothing will.

Embarassing? Yes it is embarassing that Bush is a pathetic insecure guy who tries to take on small-time dictators and avoids picking up a fight with anyone who might end up actually being a threat.

Which I guess explains 12clicks position...

Don't worry, Bush is leading america 'further into the universe' you're safe with Bushy Boy at the helm.

Beam me up Bushy! (you fucktard)

oh, what the simple minded take as facts.
after 9/11, Bush said we will go after terror and not wait for it to strike us again. The people of the US said,"go get them" We declared war on terrorism. Only liberal dopes are blind to the fact that saddam supported terror.
Oh, and believing there are no WMDs because "there never were" when proof exists to the contrary, is the hieght of stupidity. Clinton and the UN gave him 10 years to hide them.


ahahahaha, is this your argument for today child?
which country would you like to see pick a fight with, England?:1orglaugh

posting before the school bus comes?:1orglaugh

More chance of finding WMDs.

"I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then question the manner in which I provide it. I prefer you said thank you, and went on your way" JN


all you berkley grad wannabes need to get a fucking clue and realize that this is a war. i hope we learned our lesson in Vietnam about fighting a defensive war

oh poor 12clicks... slapping Liberals around again !?! lol Looks like you are getting bitch slapped and humiliated here...

WTF!? http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/...irq.centrifuge ??

"The gas centrifuge equipment dates to Iraq's pre-1991 efforts to build nuclear weapons. "
So Saddam hide some costly equipement (centrifuges dating pre-1991) Whats wrong with that..? Was he told to destroy them!? Saddam is not a saint... and nobody would expect a good guy to destroy such things if he wasnt force to.... ANd what about DAvid Kay!? Seems real excited here!! To bad he stepped down couple of months later with the strong convinction that they were no WMVs balaming severely US intelligence!!


http://www.un.org/Depts/unscom/Achie...ievements.html ??? LOL

What the inspectors have discorvered SINCE 1991 and everything was at least prior to 1998 !! Looks to me like the UNSCOM and inperctors were doing a pretty good job... who said it wasnt working!!?!?!?!?!

So, I repeat.. where does it say that in 2003... all the major countries and UN agreed that its a certainty that Iraq is having WMDs NOW !?!?!?!?

oh look, another half whit wants me to notice him.:1orglaugh