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sperbonzo · 03-18-2004, 10:05 AM

I don't agree with everything in this commentary, ESPECIALLY the religious parts,.....but it's very well wrtten....

Please read - it's worth the time...

BreakPoint with Charles Colson
Commentary #040316 - 03/16/2004

An Ill Wind from Spain
Terrorists and the Democratic Process

There is a white flag blowing in the breeze over the beautiful city of Madrid. Muslims, who once fought a bloody war to occupy much of Spain-which they did for centuries, have now done it with a few bombs, an ominous portent indeed.

In The Clash of Civilizations, Samuel Huntington wrote that there are three great religious blocks in the world: Eastern religion; the
scattered nations of Islam; and Western civilization, influenced by the Judeo-Christian tradition, embodied in the United States and Europe. As we look at September 11 and its aftermath, we have to conclude that Huntington was right when he predicted that the clash between Islam and the West would be the great struggle
of the twenty-first century.

But Huntington went on to say that Islam would win. I disputed that at the time, but given recent events in Europe, I'm beginning to wonder.

Spain is one of the two major European nations to support America's position in Iraq and the War on Terrorism. If, as it now appears, al Qaeda was responsible for bombing the trains in Madrid just days before the election, then al Qaeda has defeated Spain by giving the Socialists an upset victory over
the center right party of Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar. Observers say the war issue brought about the surprise upset. The Prime Minister-elect, Jose Luis Rodriguez Zabatero, has promised to bring Spanish troops home from Iraq-just what the demonstrators in the streets have been screaming for.

In bombing those trains, al Qaeda fired a warning shot at the West-if you come after us, put troops in the Middle East, and try to destroy radical Islam, we will destroy you.

And so the Spanish and the rest of Europe have surrendered. They will allow the United States to fight this out alone, as Islam takes an ever larger hold, population-wise, in all European nations. One can see a progression in which Europe becomes neutralized and then falls under the influence of Islam. It may take a generation or two, but it is almost inevitable if the Spanish elections are any sign of European resolve. We find nations too comfortable-or perhaps too decadent-to fight for their own liberty.

There is a second ominous portent here: We can expect al Qaeda to attempt a major attack of the United States on the eve of our
presidential elections this year to try to do the same thing to us that they did to the Spaniards.

Do we have the will and the resolve to continue to battle Islamist
extremists?

Our only defense is to deal with nations that are sponsoring
terrorism-the real reason we went into Iraq in the first place (weapons of mass destruction, I think, are secondary). We must, as Bernard Lewis, the great scholar of Islam at Princeton says, build a democratic structure in the Middle East that will bring about an end to the oppressive Islamic regimes.

The radicals know that modernity cannot be conquered in the free marketplace of ideas. It must be destroyed.... bin Laden has written this, as have others. Are we willing to let them have their way?

I'll speak for myself: The answer is, "No." If we really love our
nation and the people around us, we will be willing to defend them. In fact, it is the greatest expression of Christian love to defend our neighbors against the threat to our way of life and, of course, our Christian faith.

Maybe, just maybe, what has happened in Spain will serve as a wake-up call, because September 11, you see, was not just an isolated event. We are in a real war.

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Like I said....I don't agree with his relegious viewpoint, but he does makes some interesting statements here

sperbonzo · 03-18-2004, 10:17 AM

hmmmm.......No comments?

dav555add · 03-18-2004, 10:18 AM

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BigFish · 03-18-2004, 10:19 AM

Attack the U.S. on eve of elections? That's funny. Americans are different than Europeans. If they attack the U.S., Bush will surely win. I knew about the Lewis doctrine long before this article was written. IRAQ is about reforming the Middle East, not WMD like people keep griping about.

sperbonzo · 03-18-2004, 10:24 AM

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Originally posted by BigFish
attack the U.S. on eve of elections? That's funny. Americans are different than Europeans. If they attack the U.S., Bush will surely win.

I agree, but I think that the Islamic fanatics have as much problem understanding our cultural perspective as we have understanding theirs. They may honestly think that we will act like Europeans and go for the path of least resistance. I wouldn't be surpirsed if the terrorists think that we will back down from bullies, when of course the american reaction is much more geared to fighting back when attacked.

03-18-2004, 10:05 AM	#1
sperbonzo I'd rather be on my boat. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 9,748	Interesting thoughts on Spain I don't agree with everything in this commentary, ESPECIALLY the religious parts,.....but it's very well wrtten.... Please read - it's worth the time... BreakPoint with Charles Colson Commentary #040316 - 03/16/2004 An Ill Wind from Spain Terrorists and the Democratic Process There is a white flag blowing in the breeze over the beautiful city of Madrid. Muslims, who once fought a bloody war to occupy much of Spain-which they did for centuries, have now done it with a few bombs, an ominous portent indeed. In The Clash of Civilizations, Samuel Huntington wrote that there are three great religious blocks in the world: Eastern religion; the scattered nations of Islam; and Western civilization, influenced by the Judeo-Christian tradition, embodied in the United States and Europe. As we look at September 11 and its aftermath, we have to conclude that Huntington was right when he predicted that the clash between Islam and the West would be the great struggle of the twenty-first century. But Huntington went on to say that Islam would win. I disputed that at the time, but given recent events in Europe, I'm beginning to wonder. Spain is one of the two major European nations to support America's position in Iraq and the War on Terrorism. If, as it now appears, al Qaeda was responsible for bombing the trains in Madrid just days before the election, then al Qaeda has defeated Spain by giving the Socialists an upset victory over the center right party of Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar. Observers say the war issue brought about the surprise upset. The Prime Minister-elect, Jose Luis Rodriguez Zabatero, has promised to bring Spanish troops home from Iraq-just what the demonstrators in the streets have been screaming for. In bombing those trains, al Qaeda fired a warning shot at the West-if you come after us, put troops in the Middle East, and try to destroy radical Islam, we will destroy you. And so the Spanish and the rest of Europe have surrendered. They will allow the United States to fight this out alone, as Islam takes an ever larger hold, population-wise, in all European nations. One can see a progression in which Europe becomes neutralized and then falls under the influence of Islam. It may take a generation or two, but it is almost inevitable if the Spanish elections are any sign of European resolve. We find nations too comfortable-or perhaps too decadent-to fight for their own liberty. There is a second ominous portent here: We can expect al Qaeda to attempt a major attack of the United States on the eve of our presidential elections this year to try to do the same thing to us that they did to the Spaniards. Do we have the will and the resolve to continue to battle Islamist extremists? Our only defense is to deal with nations that are sponsoring terrorism-the real reason we went into Iraq in the first place (weapons of mass destruction, I think, are secondary). We must, as Bernard Lewis, the great scholar of Islam at Princeton says, build a democratic structure in the Middle East that will bring about an end to the oppressive Islamic regimes. The radicals know that modernity cannot be conquered in the free marketplace of ideas. It must be destroyed.... bin Laden has written this, as have others. Are we willing to let them have their way? I'll speak for myself: The answer is, "No." If we really love our nation and the people around us, we will be willing to defend them. In fact, it is the greatest expression of Christian love to defend our neighbors against the threat to our way of life and, of course, our Christian faith. Maybe, just maybe, what has happened in Spain will serve as a wake-up call, because September 11, you see, was not just an isolated event. We are in a real war. __________________________________________________ __ Like I said....I don't agree with his relegious viewpoint, but he does makes some interesting statements here __________________ Michael Sperber / Acella Financial LLC/ Online Payment Processing [email protected] / http://Acellafinancial.com/ ICQ 177961090 / Tel +1 909 NET BILL / Skype msperber

03-18-2004, 10:17 AM	#2
sperbonzo I'd rather be on my boat. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 9,748	hmmmm.......No comments? __________________ Michael Sperber / Acella Financial LLC/ Online Payment Processing [email protected] / http://Acellafinancial.com/ ICQ 177961090 / Tel +1 909 NET BILL / Skype msperber

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03-18-2004, 10:19 AM	#4
BigFish Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: United States of America Posts: 1,159	Attack the U.S. on eve of elections? That's funny. Americans are different than Europeans. If they attack the U.S., Bush will surely win. I knew about the Lewis doctrine long before this article was written. IRAQ is about reforming the Middle East, not WMD like people keep griping about. Last edited by BigFish; 03-18-2004 at 10:22 AM..