Something I'm REALLY tired of (rant enclosed) - GoFuckYourself.com

Tala · 03-16-2004, 08:04 AM

First, a bit of background info for those who aren't in the know.

I am a writer, first and foremost. Yes, I tried the tgp/gallery/freesite stuff. Yes, I went through a lot of different ideas. None of them made money, mostly because I didn't like doing it.

When I decided to stick with my talent and just write, I found that I was immeasurably happier.

However, the adult industry seems to think that text work is rather unimportant and thus should not cost much to produce. Time for a wakeup call.

TEXT SELLS. Whoopdeshit, you have images and movies. What's so special about that? Everyone else has those. What makes yours special?

The text on your galleries/sites is what differentiates your stuff from everyone else's. Without the text, no one knows if your collection is exclusive. Without the text, that girl could be your sister for all anyone knows. A picture may be worth a thousand words, but those thousand words could be the wrong words and you'll lose bucks. You have to put the thousand words you want in the minds of your surfers! If there's not any text on your site or gallery, you're not going to sell a damn thing.

So why do people constantly treat writers as though we're the bottom of the barrel? You pay for other content, and if it's exclusive stuff, you're happy to pay more. Why is it when you ask for exclusive stuff from a writer that you seem insulted when the price quoted is more than $20?

Part of this is the fault of some "writers" out there. They're so willing to write their asses off for $20 that the rest of us are forced to lower our prices or go broke. Competition is good, but christ on a tin-plated crutch, people! CHARGE WHAT YOU'RE WORTH!

Writing is work. It takes time. If you want to do something easy, go work at McDonald's and leave the professionals alone to make some money. If you can't afford to hire a professional, then write your own stuff.

</rant>

twistyneck · 03-16-2004, 08:08 AM

Edit your post to 50% of what you have and I'll read it. Kill your darlings.

Tala · 03-16-2004, 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by twistyneck
Edit your post to 50% of what you have and I'll read it. Kill your darlings.

No. Read it anyway or don't. Maybe someone will make Cliff's Notes for you.

Living For Today · 03-16-2004, 08:11 AM

good post. ive done some writing for people before and got decent money for it but it is definitely undervalued.

brizzad · 03-16-2004, 08:14 AM

I got some text work from Tala from the GFY christmas gift exchange, and it's been awesome. I put the stories on a few sites and the google/yahoo hits i get from it are awesome!

Babaganoosh · 03-16-2004, 08:14 AM

Most surfers (and webmasters) are too lazy and/or stupid to read. They like pictures and shiny things.

LadyMischief · 03-16-2004, 08:15 AM

Good post Tala, and entirely true

RawAlex · 03-16-2004, 08:16 AM

Cliff's notes: Text is good, M'kay?

Alex

12clicks · 03-16-2004, 08:17 AM

the market decides the value of all things.
It's decision on text has been made.

Tala · 03-16-2004, 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RawAlex
Cliff's notes: Text is good, M'kay?

Alex

Add to that: You get what you pay for.

Tala · 03-16-2004, 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by brizzad
I got some text work from Tala from the GFY christmas gift exchange, and it's been awesome. I put the stories on a few sites and the google/yahoo hits i get from it are awesome!

Sweet, I didn't know how it was doing for you since I hadn't heard back. I'm so glad it's working out for you.

Wizzo · 03-16-2004, 08:22 AM

I think it's because most surfers can only read 2-3 words one handed...

Tala · 03-16-2004, 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks
the market decides the value of all things.
It's decision on text has been made.

Care to test that? Put up a site or a gallery with absolutely NO text on it whatsoever. I'd be interested in your results.

(Its, btw. "It's" is "it is")

ADL Colin · 03-16-2004, 08:25 AM

I love writing and I love business. Man, they are two completely different things.

Supply and demand in a free market environment dictates price. Writing is priced correctly according to the supply. Like you said, it is close to free because there are many people willing to do it for close to free.

That being said, there is such a thing as brand differentiation and people are willing to pay for it. What makes your text better than others? How does this lead to more sales? Can you prove it? If you were trying to sell me on new text for my site right now, the best way to do it would be to show me proof of past success. Who's on your client list? Who has given you letters of recommendation? In short, what about the business side of it?

angeleyes · 03-16-2004, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Armed & Hammered
Most surfers are too lazy and/or stupid to read. They like pictures and shiny things.

runaway · 03-16-2004, 08:28 AM

TOo long to read. . . .

ADL Colin · 03-16-2004, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tala
Care to test that? Put up a site or a gallery with absolutely NO text on it whatsoever. I'd be interested in your results.

(Its, btw. "It's" is "it is")

He meant the pricing of ad copy is being determined by the market. You yourself have pointed to the difficulty in getting what you think is a reasonable price - which does demonstrate his point.

Unless you can market your writing as a premium product it is difficult to demand a higher rate. Is it not?

Va2k · 03-16-2004, 08:32 AM

Tala writes great stuff, btw Tala hit me up I want to chat to you about something

TOM

twistyneck · 03-16-2004, 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tala
No. Read it anyway or don't. Maybe someone will make Cliff's Notes for you.

This is exactly your problem. You have a bad attitude.

Tala · 03-16-2004, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Colin
I love writing and I love business. Man, they are two completely different things.

Supply and demand in a free market environment dictates price. Writing is priced correctly according to the supply. Like you said, it is close to free because there are many people willing to do it for close to free.

That being said, there is such a thing as brand differentiation and people are willing to pay for it. What makes your text better than others? How does this lead to more sales? Can you prove it? If you were trying to sell me on new text for my site right now, the best way to do it would be to show me proof of past success. Who's on your client list? Who has given you letters of ecommendation? In short, what about the business side of it?

w00t! Intelligent replies rock.

Being able to be identified by the quality of your product works not just for writers. It works for everyone. I like to think that the quality of my work has garnered me some recognition. I know that the quality of their work has garnered other writers recognition as well, for example: Raven, Coy, Marie, Jamdin and Titmowse as well as several other examples I could list.

Better quality most often does lead to better sales. This goes for movies, pictures, stories, articles etc. Who's going to buy complete crap when they could go somewhere else and bave better quality? Again, the old adage of "You get what you pay for" comes into play.

Personally, I have no letters of recommendation to flaunt, but I do have a few people I can say I've worked for who have enjoyed the work I've done. I can send you their way. However, since this is just a rant thread and not a thread looking for business, it'd only be a vanity to name names. But thanks for asking and bringing to light some good points.

tbabe · 03-16-2004, 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Colin

He meant the pricing of ad copy is being determined by the market. You yourself have pointed to the difficulty in getting what you think is a reasonable price - which does demonstrate his point.

Unless you can market your writing as a premium product it is difficult to demand a higher rate. Is it not?

Good point, also for most webmasters, i dont think they could or even care about the difference between premium and non-premium text. Text is a huge asset to sell and good text is always a premium product.

Tala · 03-16-2004, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by twistyneck

This is exactly your problem. You have a bad attitude.

Hmm. I think my attitude is better than some. Maybe it's all in the perception.

twistyneck · 03-16-2004, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tala
Hmm. I think my attitude is better than some. Maybe it's all in the perception.

Perhaps.

Tala · 03-16-2004, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by twistyneck

Perhaps.

Perhaps.

Have I made the list of people who won't be missed yet?

Head · 03-16-2004, 08:42 AM

Without a doubt good text is key to make a site convert!!
Tala I would love to see your work!
Can you icq me a url with some of your work?

ADL Colin · 03-16-2004, 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tbabe

Good point, also for most webmasters, i dont think they could or even care about the difference between premium and non-premium text. Text is a huge asset to sell and good text is always a premium product.

I don't know this market. You're saying that good text is a premium product but that most webmasters don't know it? If that's the case, it seems that there are a few strategies available.

1. Focus on selling to those who do understand the difference.
2. Try to expand the market (maybe the point of this post).

Who is the most likely client? Mega-programs? Middle-of-the-road programs? Niche sites? Free site operators?

12clicks · 03-16-2004, 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tala
Care to test that? Put up a site or a gallery with absolutely NO text on it whatsoever. I'd be interested in your results.

as Colin pointed out, you missed my point.
Also, thinking that YOUR text on a gallery is more valuable than ANY text on a gallery is silly.

Quote:

Originally posted by Tala
(Its, btw. "It's" is "it is")

I think this logic is the main reason behind your rant.
You think its valuable to know "It's or it is"
I know its not and so do the surfers.

Tala · 03-16-2004, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks

as Colin pointed out, you missed my point.
Also, thinking that YOUR text on a gallery is more valuable than ANY text on a gallery is silly.

I never said MY work. I mentioned quality work. I apologize if that was not clear.

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks

I think this logic is the main reason behind your rant.
You think its valuable to know "It's or it is"
I know its not and so do the surfers.

So we come back around to it being all right to have lesser-quality work. Hey, if that's what you want, that's cool. Some surfers don't care, I agree, but there are those who do.

12clicks · 03-16-2004, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tala
So we come back around to it being all right to have lesser-quality work. Hey, if that's what you want, that's cool. Some surfers don't care, I agree, but there are those who do.

No, I think as a writer, you take a more in depth look at quality than 99% of others do.
It's not a matter of the difference of poor work vs great work, its more a matter of good enough work vs great work.
You believe good enough isn't good enough, I believe good enough *is* good enough.

kristydoll · 03-16-2004, 09:47 AM

Interesting read and views.

Personally, I don't believe that other writer's prices can necessarily dictate your own pricing (or value of your work). Some will always choose to go for a better deal - and really, there's nothing wrong with that.

The best thing is to earn a reputation for doing great work and give the client exactly what they want - at a price that works for you. Satisfied clients return and accept your prices because they know the quality of the work they will receive.

Working out the best price usually works best for all in the long run - you just need to know and stay true to your bottom line.

Kristy

savas · 03-16-2004, 09:58 AM

for how mutch can you make text links for tgp gallery?

BVF · 03-16-2004, 10:01 AM

Write a blog and use a sponsor like I'm doing

http://www.MrNoGood.com

You'll make more than $20 your first day if you have some traffic. Sure beats begging someone to buy your one time work that not a lot of people will see. You can reuse your writing on a blog forever. Can't beat that.

http://www.MrNoGood.com

m00d · 03-16-2004, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tala
First, a bit of background info for those who aren't in the know.

I am a writer, first and foremost. Yes, I tried the tgp/gallery/freesite stuff. Yes, I went through a lot of different ideas. None of them made money, mostly because I didn't like doing it.

The text on your galleries/sites is what differentiates your stuff from everyone else's. Without the text, no one knows if your collection is exclusive. Without the text, that girl could be your sister for all anyone knows. A picture may be worth a thousand words, but those thousand words could be the wrong words and you'll lose bucks. You have to put the thousand words you want in the minds of your surfers! If there's not any text on your site or gallery, you're not going to sell a damn thing.

So why do people constantly treat writers as though we're the bottom of the barrel? You pay for other content, and if it's exclusive stuff, you're happy to pay more. Why is it when you ask for exclusive stuff from a writer that you seem insulted when the price quoted is more than $20?

</rant>

If your text sells so well, why couldn't you make a profit with your own "tgp/gallery/freesite stuff"?

I tell all my friends who are overeducated for the jobs that they can get," if there is no job for you, make one." I give you this same advice. If you believe that you have an outstanding talent for writing text on porn sites, then you should MAKE a forum for your talent ie. freesites/tgp/galleres. It seems very cut and dry to me, maybe you can explain better why you don't make your own jobs by making your own sites.

Lord Helpus · 03-16-2004, 10:27 AM

Personally, I do know and I do care about the difference between it's and its. The porn world is full of successful folks who couldn't have passed elementary school English at the public school I attended. However if I was purchasing text content, you bet your (not "you're") ass I would buy from a writer who knew the difference. It drives me crazy when affiliate prog sites are full of misspells and grammatical errors, let alone the sites themselves.

I look at it this way: some of your surfers WILL care about proper grammar and good writing. Those who don't won't know the difference either way. Those who do won't be distracted by errors if the writing is tight.

Know I am going off on somewhat of a tangent, this is about writing and not about grammar, but...I do find improper use of grammar/misspells to be very distracting, and if I was trying to jack off, it would spoil the mood.

Oracle Porn · 03-16-2004, 10:30 AM

FUCK THAT SHIT I CAN WRITE THE TEXT MYSELF AND SAVE $20 OR MORE!

CrazyNakedChick · 03-16-2004, 10:31 AM

true, 98% of most surfers probably don't care about minor typos....but i do my best to write "perfectly" in hopes to attract the premium surfer.

on average, the better educated surfer has a higher credit limit.

sidenote: tala, i hope my email contact did not come across as insulting, it was truly meant as the complete opposite.

Lykos · 03-16-2004, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by twistyneck
Edit your post to 50% of what you have and I'll read it. Kill your darlings.

Yeah that would be nice

murray_dawg · 03-16-2004, 12:16 PM

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CrazyNakedChick · 03-16-2004, 12:18 PM

hukd on foniks werkz fore me!

hoe_vender · 03-16-2004, 12:55 PM

too long

03-16-2004, 08:04 AM	#1
Tala Fucked if I know Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Do you have a flag? Posts: 23,368	Something I'm REALLY tired of (rant enclosed) First, a bit of background info for those who aren't in the know. I am a writer, first and foremost. Yes, I tried the tgp/gallery/freesite stuff. Yes, I went through a lot of different ideas. None of them made money, mostly because I didn't like doing it. When I decided to stick with my talent and just write, I found that I was immeasurably happier. However, the adult industry seems to think that text work is rather unimportant and thus should not cost much to produce. Time for a wakeup call. TEXT SELLS. Whoopdeshit, you have images and movies. What's so special about that? Everyone else has those. What makes yours special? The text on your galleries/sites is what differentiates your stuff from everyone else's. Without the text, no one knows if your collection is exclusive. Without the text, that girl could be your sister for all anyone knows. A picture may be worth a thousand words, but those thousand words could be the wrong words and you'll lose bucks. You have to put the thousand words you want in the minds of your surfers! If there's not any text on your site or gallery, you're not going to sell a damn thing. So why do people constantly treat writers as though we're the bottom of the barrel? You pay for other content, and if it's exclusive stuff, you're happy to pay more. Why is it when you ask for exclusive stuff from a writer that you seem insulted when the price quoted is more than $20? Part of this is the fault of some "writers" out there. They're so willing to write their asses off for $20 that the rest of us are forced to lower our prices or go broke. Competition is good, but christ on a tin-plated crutch, people! CHARGE WHAT YOU'RE WORTH! Writing is work. It takes time. If you want to do something easy, go work at McDonald's and leave the professionals alone to make some money. If you can't afford to hire a professional, then write your own stuff. </rant> __________________ ICQ: 11120676 \| Google: mindcrime \| Skype: suitemindcrime\|E-Mail: mindcrime AT gmail.com\|PR girl with great writing skills for hire!!!! Contact me to work for YOU!\|TECHIEMEDIA? 24/7 support from some of the best techs in the biz. Tell Jim that I sent you.

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03-16-2004, 08:17 AM	#9
12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,801	the market decides the value of all things. It's decision on text has been made. __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

03-16-2004, 08:22 AM	#12
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03-16-2004, 08:08 AM	#2
twistyneck So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hanging by the neck until dead. Posts: 4,660	Edit your post to 50% of what you have and I'll read it. Kill your darlings.

03-16-2004, 08:11 AM	#4
Living For Today Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 3,970	good post. ive done some writing for people before and got decent money for it but it is definitely undervalued.

03-16-2004, 08:14 AM	#5
brizzad holla Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: KFC Posts: 11,769	I got some text work from Tala from the GFY christmas gift exchange, and it's been awesome. I put the stories on a few sites and the google/yahoo hits i get from it are awesome!

03-16-2004, 08:16 AM	#8
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	Cliff's notes: Text is good, M'kay? Alex

03-16-2004, 08:25 AM	#14
ADL Colin Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Tube Titans, USA Posts: 11,929	I love writing and I love business. Man, they are two completely different things. Supply and demand in a free market environment dictates price. Writing is priced correctly according to the supply. Like you said, it is close to free because there are many people willing to do it for close to free. That being said, there is such a thing as brand differentiation and people are willing to pay for it. What makes your text better than others? How does this lead to more sales? Can you prove it? If you were trying to sell me on new text for my site right now, the best way to do it would be to show me proof of past success. Who's on your client list? Who has given you letters of recommendation? In short, what about the business side of it? __________________ Adult Date Link - $50 PPS starting NOW! -- good and JUICY! skype = "adultdatelink" Last edited by ADL Colin; 03-16-2004 at 08:31 AM..

03-16-2004, 08:28 AM	#16
runaway Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,177	TOo long to read. . . .

03-16-2004, 08:32 AM	#18
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03-16-2004, 08:42 AM	#25
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03-16-2004, 09:47 AM	#30
kristydoll Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Canadian Prairies Posts: 381	Interesting read and views. Personally, I don't believe that other writer's prices can necessarily dictate your own pricing (or value of your work). Some will always choose to go for a better deal - and really, there's nothing wrong with that. The best thing is to earn a reputation for doing great work and give the client exactly what they want - at a price that works for you. Satisfied clients return and accept your prices because they know the quality of the work they will receive. Working out the best price usually works best for all in the long run - you just need to know and stay true to your bottom line. Kristy __________________ Professional Copy Writing Erotic Story Content

03-16-2004, 09:58 AM	#31
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03-16-2004, 10:27 AM	#34
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03-16-2004, 10:30 AM	#35
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03-16-2004, 10:31 AM	#36
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