People seem to forget that major world issues cant be solved by reason 100% of the time. Maybe in the far future..

Sadam did not need to be in power.. that is the botton line.

He killed thousands of his own people. Maybe we should of waited until he associated with killing thousands of americans before we did anything.

Some people think this is a perfect world and things will always be just..

Like some of the families who lost bread winners in the World Trade Centers..

But wait Sadam wasnt connected to that.. we got to wait until he is associated with something just as horrid to worry about him.

Play offensive not deffensive

:thumbsup excellent

Thank you. Obviously the rest of americans think the same as you. God bless the USA. Why? No one crazy enough on earth will.

your buddy is very articulate. :321GFY

Exodus 20:13: (6) You shall not murder. ( Civilists)
Exodus 20:15: (8) You shall not steal. (Oil )
Exodus 20:7: (3) You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God...
Exodus 20:16: (9) You shall not give false testimony ( where are the wapons of MD? )

i thought bush is a catholic

First I hate breaking my rule of not posting on political threads....
Think you'll find my opinion balance enough.

Actually it?s called composite armor, a lot of different things in it
including uranium. Not exactly ?pure steel?. They are not really
sure what those rounds are but last I heard suspect it's some
RPG's that Russia designed a good while back. Not many of those
around though.

Search for "War Crimes Iraq" on Google if you?re actually
interested in this.

You'll quickly see that the US has violated all the same
international laws and conventions as Saddam has.... and
more..... A great deal of the weapons that the US uses for
example are considered illegal.

Also wouldn't hurt to do a little research on the increase of cancer
and birth defects of various kinds. The use of DU (which actually
contains a lot of residual Plutonium and other isotopes) is really
messing up both the US troops and the Iraqi people.

I love war, history and all things political and violent... Think
playing soldiers is the most noble and worthwhile thing a man
can do.... I'd be the first to defend my country (Australia).

However unless you do it in the right situations you end up with
a great many problems. The key is defence not attack. Attacking
any country will never make the world any safer or better.

Ask any viet vet if they are happy they went.

Just like in Vietnam you can't win "hearts and minds" with "shock
and awe". Technology and great bombs don?t produce peace.

Looks like the people trying to make the place better are
dropping the ball a lot.... Still no power, believe there is some
plan to swap power for oil but they talk about providing security
first. Seems no one realises that power and lights are security at
night. Hope the Iraqi's and American's let them stick around long
enough to get the job finished.... Hope they do it right.

Would be a shame if the US population put pressure on to get
out now as the place would really fall apart fast.

Good on your buddy for doing his job.....
Not his fault that he's a soldier and not a politician.....

-Ben

Have you ever been locked up?

How the world works is very similar.. sad but true

:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup and a BIG thank you from Sweden.

You think the fact your buddy volunteered to go sit in a small steel box and get shot at by sand ******s in some god-forsaken middle eastern wasteland makes his opinions noteworthy?

What makes yours any better??

Wait because you have blind faith that 90% of GFY will agree with you.. Thats why..

did he call you a pussy for not going over there?

50 retarded webmasters arguing on the internet

some sick shit happends since bush is on the red button.

never seen so much terror before. but those terrorists will burn in hell for that ::Graucho

I spent my winter skiing, hot-tubbing, and smoking weed because at no point in my life was I dumb enough to volunteer to be anti-tank round fodder. Thats why.

Just a quick note on death tolls.... It's a little callous but it has to
be understood. If you want to do it based on math then you
better use the right math.

Puts WTC and Saddam's gas attacks in perspective....

Since the sanctions started an average of 5,000 Iraqi children
ages 5 or under have died each month.

The US juiced the Kurds up and told them that they would be
supported with tanks if they rebelled. When they did it wasn't the
right timing for Bush Snr and the backup never came. Saddam
gassed them. Giving Bush a nice sound-bite to use when the time
was right.

The death toll in Iraqi over the last 10 years is incalculable. It's
just so staggeringly huge. I heavily doubt that more people died
in Japan as a result of the H-bombs. These are deaths resulting
directly from US policy and positioning. You can say it's Saddam's
fault and you'll be correct. However it's also Bush's (Snr & Jnr)
actions and responsibilities.

If they do the wrong thing now and don't clean up the mess then
the amount of people that have died so far will be a drop in the
ocean. The place will really explode into chaos. The death toll
both in America and Iraq at that stage will become quite large
indeed.

How many died in WTC again?

Headless.... Try not to bite on this.... I think you can see I'm not
being irrational about this. I don't take sides easy, I sit in the
middle and see what the facts really are. Then I still don't take
sides. Who am I to say what is right/wrong or better/worse.

-Ben

Surely no-one still believes that we went into Iraq for the sake of the Iraqis or that Saddam Hussein was targetted because his regime was a threat to the security of the US?

Make an argument if you will, why the US should be the protector of downtrodden people around the world. I can imagine disagreements over such things as national sovereignty, but heaven knows it could be a righteous role for us to play.

However even if you do believe that is our destiny, don't try to tell me that Saddam Hussein would have made the top five of people without whom the world would be a better place. And don't tell me we had to rip a whole country apart and kill so many innocent people, just to get at one man and his aides.

Just to be picky, but you should have said Bush (Snr & Jnr) AND Clinton. :) Not that I particularly care, but neo-conservatives love to jump on this point.

Well that serves no excuse for the need for a national standing army.

If everybody thought like you throughout history. You simply would not be able to that..

I had parties and fun during the Iraq war.. but I am not going to call every solider who didnt have the chance a idiot because they where fighting while I was chillen.. that just plain fucking arrogant

Manifest Destiny?

Saddam Hussein ran Iraq like he owned it. He was a dictator..

Saddam had the chance to stand down before military action took place.. but just like the dozen resolutions purposed to him he ignored it.

Lords knows its Bush's fault for Saddam jacking off in front of the UN for 12 fucking years.. you people amaze me

That's not your problem. Let Iraqi civil war take him out of power.

So you're saying because 70% of Canadians hate Bush and think he's a clown, we should get really mad about it and have the RCAF level the US? That would be okay with you guys? Shit, it would be doing you a favor right? Liberation?

well Hussein was never found in material breach of 1441. It's hardly as if during those 12 years the pressure on Iraq was sufficient to make him stand down. Then all of a sudden the US is interested again.

then maybe you should stop thinking and start learning you ignoramous.

When a country dictates 33% of the world economy.. and when a single terrorist attack can cost billions.. then yes take the offensive

Are you fucking blind??

If it was in the best Interest of the RACF they would do just that..

But they arent that should tell you something along the lines that your statement is ridiculous.

Its a dog eat dog world for everybody.

you should have stuck with your rule of not posting on political threads.

Comparing Iraq to Vietnam proves that

yep, really should have stayed with your rule.

Isn't the blame for kids starving Saddam's? Don't try to pass it off. The answer is yes.

BTW, the sanctions were UN sanctions, not US sanctions

Yes, stop thinking. Become a conservative.

:1orglaugh

The world totally supported the US in taking on terrorism in Afghanistan. But most of the world correctly didn't buy the propaganda that Iraq was the front of the war on terrorism.

Sure Hussein has paid off some Palestinian suicide bombers, but Al Qaeda killed 3000 US citizens on US soil, and yet Afghanistan has until lately been largely forgotten.

did you read what I was responding to? Calling Bush a Catholic is like calling Saddam a Jew

Bush is a fundamentalist Christian.

Yes he was never found in material breach..

Let me guess.. You are one of the people that think Bush did this to complete his daddys mission?

Just a family task.. I love you Dad..

Maybe after 911 there was a dramatic adjustment and second look at the entire middle east structure as a whole.

The war on Terror is and never was a war agaisnt a single country.. It is agaisnt any hostile force towards the USA.

911 is what brought the interest back..

If there was a second 911 in the US the economy would collapse.

Terrorist nations needed to be put in place. Saddam set himdelf up for it long ago. Shock and Awe, everybody decideds to come to the table or wait until Bush is out of Office to continue anything agaisnt the interst of the USA.

forgive him he is a thinker :winkwink:

and how did you arrive at that assumption?

simpleton

WTF does that have to do with Catholicism? I believe he is Southern Baptist, and they hate Catholics

Except this isnt a game of monopoly.. Better to be safe then sorry.

Yes he was never found in material breach..

Let me guess.. You are one of the people that think Bush did this to complete his daddys mission?

Just a family task.. I love you Dad..

Maybe after 911 there was a dramatic adjustment and second look at the entire middle east structure as a whole.

The war on Terror is and never was a war agaisnt a single country.. It is agaisnt any hostile force towards the USA.

911 is what brought the interest back..

If there was a second 911 in the US the economy would collapse.

Terrorist nations needed to be put in place. Saddam set himdelf up for it long ago. Shock and Awe, everybody decideds to come to the table or wait until Bush is out of Office to continue anything agaisnt the interst of the USA.

I think we heard you the first time :1orglaugh

:1orglaugh

I am getting lazy:winkwink:

well gee, the US has no power or influence in what the UN does.
(heavy sarcasm)

yeah, we held a gun to the heads of the entire UN and forced them to do it

I always thought you were a little smarter that that . . . may need to mull that one over

You really don't know much about geopolitics and how the world works do you?

Your immature comment makes me think it's not worth going into a discussion with you about this and how complex trade agreements and yes, thinly veiled threats influence certain parties in this arena.