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Roger 03-15-2004 12:52 PM

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Originally posted by alexg
where did you hear this bullshit?
because, It's totally un true

Saw it in a newspaper a few weeks ago. There was even a picture of arab-israeli construction workers with a red sign on there hat. Maybe I misunderstood? It's possible but please explain.

Oh here's a Haaretz article.

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Not a week goes by and we discover that the security officer of the Knesset is marking Israeli Arab construction workers with a red mark, so that his staff will be able to identify them and ensure that they - the security threat - are kept far from the leaders of the Jewish people.

directfiesta 03-15-2004 01:20 PM

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Originally posted by alexg


where did you hear this bullshit?
because, It's totally un true

Maybe untrue, but sure looks real!!!!

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?X? marks the Israeli-Arab workers at Knesset building site

Hard hats worn by Israeli-Arab builders of the Knesset's new wing marked with a red ?X? -- to aid security snipers. ADL criticizes move; speaker Rivlin orders practice stopped.
Boaz Gaon
http://www.maarivenglish.com/index.c...articleID=4287

http://www.maarivenglish.com/newsima...04_workers.jpg


Hope the source satisfies your credibility issue.

alexg 03-15-2004 01:20 PM

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Originally posted by Roger
first of all, Haaretz is known in it's journalists' ultra left political views...
I have seen hundreds of arab construction workers, and none of them had any signs what so ever... I'm sure that this statement was being used completely in the wrong context, because if such thing were decided by the Knesset, the Israeli supreme court would immediately stop it from happenning...
Please show me the picture of the arab construction worker, so I can see what it's all about...

alexg 03-15-2004 01:28 PM

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Originally posted by directfiesta


http://www.maarivenglish.com/index.c...articleID=4287

http://www.maarivenglish.com/newsima...04_workers.jpg


Hope the source satisfies your credibility issue.

ok, now it looks clear...
ok, first of all, the issue is arab construction workers who work at rebuilding the Knesset, the Israeli parlament, probably the number 1 site that needs strict security... It has already been proven that israeli arabs help palestinian bombers in reaching their goals when on a suicide mission.
I think it is very democratic of Israel to let arab workers work in the Knesset...
can you imagine jewish people building a palestinian authority building?

alexg 03-15-2004 01:32 PM

but really, ok, I agree that this particular issue is problematic, but why are you looking to find every small possible mistake that Israel makes, when some things are so obvious about the other side..
I'm sure, I could find some american or any other democratic country's rules that hurt a group of people in some way...

alan-l 03-15-2004 01:36 PM

I don't think anyone here supports Bin Laden, but I do think you're a fanatic. Fanatism is wrong no matter what you're supporting. I feel for Madrid victims, I feel for twin towers victims, I feel for the victims of palestinian bombings and I feel for the victims of Israel massacres. Blood has no color, only racists and fanatics who strive to condone all this murder are the ones who are happy when the murdered are those they call "enemies", which, by the way, 99% of times are inocent civilians

Roger 03-15-2004 01:38 PM

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Originally posted by alexg
but really, ok, I agree that this particular issue is problematic, but why are you looking to find every small possible mistake that Israel makes, when some things are so obvious about the other side..

I'm sure, I could find some american or any other democratic country's rules that hurt a group of people in some way...

The only thing obvious to me is that they're both wrong and most importantly, nobody in the world seems to give a damn about both of them as long as they're not killing each other. It's sad that we only react to terror and do nothing at all to prevent it.
Israel will be pulling out a little from Gaza soon if I'm not mistaken? The PA is in no position to take over, and yet do you see anyone willing to help and give training to Palestinian police officers? No, nobocy cares but they all love to comment when the IDF does something awfull or a suicide bomber blows himself up.

Alex From San Diego 03-15-2004 01:38 PM

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Originally posted by Agent White


1. Defending your country (note the word DEFEND) stops at your borders. Just like defending your net in soccer doesn't mean going over to the opposing net and beating the holy crap out of their goalie. Anything else is simply invasion.



Hopefully we will remember that if Canada has some catastrophe.
The only reason your ass is safe is because you are our bording country. Your military couldn't take the Cub Scouts of America.

I have done joint training with the Canadian military and they were pathetic. Nothing but a bunch of whiners.

xxxdesign-net 03-15-2004 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by alexg
I'm just sick of seeing people blame every terrorism atack on George Bush, and Israel... It seems that every horrible atack (like the one in Spain recently) only serves you as a "proof" of your stupid point.

You support primitive religious fanatics, who have no value of life what so ever. How can a normal human being wrap a bomb around himself and press the button, believing he'll benefit from living in heaven and fucking 70 fucking virgins!

I start to think that the only way in which you could possibly understant your mistake, is if you move to live in a place like Afghanistan, or Syria... then you'll say something againts your regime, and surprise, you'll be hanged in the center of the town, while thousands of sub-humans are cheering...

some things in life are just too complex for some...

Stop posting non-sense please...

directfiesta 03-15-2004 01:40 PM

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Originally posted by alan-l
I don't think anyone here supports Bin Laden, but I do think you're a fanatic. Fanatism is wrong no matter what you're supporting. I feel for Madrid victims, I feel for twin towers victims, I feel for the victims of palestinian bombings and I feel for the victims of Israel massacres. Blood has no color, only racists and fanatics who strive to condone all this murder are the ones who are happy when the murdered are those they call "enemies", which, by the way, 99% of times are inocent civilians
Right on....

And Alexg. the " hard hat" thing I don't know much about, so I really only posted requested info, without any comments ... Maybe it is justified, I just don't know.

Have to go, my flight to Kabul leaves in 2 hours.... :1orglaugh

alexg 03-15-2004 01:41 PM

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Originally posted by alan-l
I don't think anyone here supports Bin Laden, but I do think you're a fanatic. Fanatism is wrong no matter what you're supporting. I feel for Madrid victims, I feel for twin towers victims, I feel for the victims of palestinian bombings and I feel for the victims of Israel massacres. Blood has no color, only racists and fanatics who strive to condone all this murder are the ones who are happy when the murdered are those they call "enemies", which, by the way, 99% of times are inocent civilians
first, 100% of the palestinian bombings are innocent civilians, and at least 80% of the Israeli military actions' victims are terrorists.

second, on what do you base your opinion that I'm a fanatic...
In my opinion that's called patriotism...

alexg 03-15-2004 01:42 PM

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Originally posted by directfiesta


Right on....

And Alexg. the " hard hat" thing I don't know much about, so I really only posted requested info, without any comments ... Maybe it is justified, I just don't know.

Have to go, my flight to Kabul leaves in 2 hours.... :1orglaugh

:1orglaugh

enjoy your stay

Fletch XXX 03-15-2004 01:43 PM

the religious right must be hurt in the next decade.

we should start by taking out people like Mel Gibson who are still sattracting generations with religious fodder.

PAGAN JIHAD MOTHER FUCKERS

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s819685.htm

fuck these peopl.

Roger 03-15-2004 01:44 PM

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Originally posted by Alex From San Diego
Hopefully we will remember that if Canada has some catastrophe.
The only reason your ass is safe is because you are our bording country. Your military couldn't take the Cub Scouts of America.

I have done joint training with the Canadian military and they were pathetic. Nothing but a bunch of whiners.

Oh yeah, I'm sure that if it wasn't for you, Canada wouldn't be able to survive.

alexg 03-15-2004 01:46 PM

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Originally posted by Roger


The only thing obvious to me is that they're both wrong and most importantly, nobody in the world seems to give a damn about both of them as long as they're not killing each other. It's sad that we only react to terror and do nothing at all to prevent it.
Israel will be pulling out a little from Gaza soon if I'm not mistaken? The PA is in no position to take over, and yet do you see anyone willing to help and give training to Palestinian police officers? No, nobocy cares but they all love to comment when the IDF does something awfull or a suicide bomber blows himself up.

Itzhak Rabin RIP has already "helped" the palestinian authority and police, hell, he even caused the return of Arafat who was exiled in Tunisia, and what do we receive?
All the weapons Rabin gave the palestinians to prevent terrorism, are used today to kill Israeli civilians

alexg 03-15-2004 01:47 PM

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Originally posted by xxxdesign-net


some things in life are just too complex for some...

Stop posting non-sense please...

why do you see this as nonsense?

Roger 03-15-2004 01:54 PM

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Originally posted by alexg
Itzhak Rabin RIP has already "helped" the palestinian authority and police, hell, he even caused the return of Arafat who was exiled in Tunisia, and what do we receive?
All the weapons Rabin gave the palestinians to prevent terrorism, are used today to kill Israeli civilians

As a result of his actions to help Palestinians, an Israeli with the same political affiliation as Sharon killed him. All of Rabin's efforts went in vain because of some crazy religious extremists. And what's stupid is that both Palestinians and Israelis let themselves be ruled by terror.

Fact is, the PA has pretty much collapsed now. The IDF is in there, how come they haven't gotten rid of the terrorists already? I thought that they'd have done there job and eliminated terror. Yet for some reason, perhaps sheer incompetence, they didn't and are constantly whining and blaming the PA for being unable to crack down on terrorists. How exactly do you expect the PA to do something that the IDF is unable to do?

I'm only saying that no matter who's right or wrong, a solution should be found. I can criticize but I can't honestly say that I would have acted differently if I was born in Israel or Palestine. This whole situation is not sane for adults and especially not for kids. I would like to see Israel become one country with two provinces. At this time, one country seems to be the only viable solution.

alexg 03-15-2004 02:08 PM

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Originally posted by Roger


As a result of his actions to help Palestinians, an Israeli with the same political affiliation as Sharon killed him. All of Rabin's efforts went in vain because of some crazy religious extremists.

This really makes me mad! How can you compare this crazy religious extrimist to Ariel Sharon? Ariel Sharon is not at all religious, and would never support a killing of a prime minister, no matter what political views he holds...
Both Ariel Sharon and Itzhak Rabin held major positions in the IDF, I'm sure this will surprise you, but Rabin was a real fighter, and actively participated in wars holding central positions...

Roger 03-15-2004 02:14 PM

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Originally posted by alexg
This really makes me mad! How can you compare this crazy religious extrimist to Ariel Sharon? Ariel Sharon is not at all religious, and would never support a killing of a prime minister, no matter what political views he holds...
I'm sure he doesn't. That's why he keeps considering killing Arafat.

alexg 03-15-2004 02:21 PM

and you compare Itzhak Rabin to Yasser Arafat?
first, Arafat is not a prime minister, he is a terorist and a dictator...
It would make my day if Sharon did decide to take him off for good....

btw, the dude received nobel prize wearing a military uniform... do some math ..

Roger 03-15-2004 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by alexg
and you compare Itzhak Rabin to Yasser Arafat?
first, Arafat is not a prime minister, he is a terorist and a dictator...
It would make my day if Sharon did decide to take him off for good....

btw, the dude received nobel prize wearing a military uniform... do some math ..

I'm comparing Rabin to Arafat?
As unfortunate as it is, if it wasn't for terrorism there wouldn't be an Israel, and if it wasn't for Arafat's terrorism at the time, the Palestinians wouldn't be currently in Palestine to begin with, they'd still be in exile.

You propose the assassination of the leader of another country and yet you're no criminal :)

Is that your whole peacefull plan? Getting rid of Arafat? That's it? Nothing next?

alexg 03-15-2004 02:30 PM

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Originally posted by Roger


I'm comparing Rabin to Arafat?
As unfortunate as it is, if it wasn't for terrorism there wouldn't be an Israel, and if it wasn't for Arafat's terrorism at the time, the Palestinians wouldn't be currently in Palestine to begin with, they'd still be in exile.

You propose the assassination of the leader of another country and yet you're no criminal :)

first, there is currently no country named Palestine. Second, Arafat is not doing his job as a leader, and he has been proven to support terrorist activities. I believe that his assasination would cause less funding and support to terrorism, therefore I would like it to happen

Roger 03-15-2004 02:38 PM

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Originally posted by alexg
first, there is currently no country named Palestine. Second, Arafat is not doing his job as a leader, and he has been proven to support terrorist activities. I believe that his assasination would cause less funding and support to terrorism, therefore I would like it to happen.
Yeah, that's what believers in a so called holly land usually say. Oh and Sharon is doing his job as a leader? Terror should've been stopped by now and peace should've kicked in and yet it didn't. Looks like he's as useless as his neighbour.

Oh yeah, I'm sure Arafat is very active in funding terror. Geez, can't even stop a surrounded guy from funding terror? I'm impressed.

And what exactly do you call building settlements and giving financial incentive for poor Jews to move in there?

alexg 03-15-2004 02:49 PM

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Originally posted by Roger


Yeah, that's what believers in a so called holly land usually say. Oh and Sharon is doing his job as a leader? Terror should've been stopped by now and peace should've kicked in and yet it didn't. Looks like he's as useless as his neighbour.

Oh yeah, I'm sure Arafat is very active in funding terror. Geez, can't even stop a surrounded guy from funding terror? I'm impressed.

And what exactly do you call building settlements and giving financial incentive for poor Jews to move in there?

Sharon would have done much better job in stopping terrorism if not for pressure from the european union, america and the left parties in israel. As in every denmocratic country, the leader is not authorised to do everything

hoe_vender 03-15-2004 03:55 PM

rock on


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