How much is a good model worth? - GoFuckYourself.com

BigK · 03-12-2004, 12:57 AM

Hi just stumbled across this board for adult site webmasters and figured this would be a great place to get some honest reasonable answers. So here is my question.

Lets say i know a girl who is very sexy, young, and pretty. and she approches me and expresses her interest in doing an internet site. i happen to know of a guy here in town that does this kind of stuff. he is kind of a friend of a friend. so i tell him "hey i know a girl who is pretty damn hot wanting to do a site, is there some kind of referral fee for me to send her to you?" he says "yeah ill pay you". Although he didnt mention any dollar amount i assume its a pretty good amount.

So i first convince her its ok to do an adult website she was kinda iffy at first. then send her to this guy for him to see what he thought. he took a few pictures to ask around and see what everyone thought. the response was astonishing. everyone wanted to see her with her own site. so he quickly started on her a site.

Now, i have not yet talked with this guy again about money. but im just currious of what would be a fair amount for sending him a girl with a great potential to make lots of money for them.

I should note this guy so far has seemed to be pretty fair in all the stuff he does, and seems to be treating this girl very well. seems to be very professional. Of course rumor has it he is quickly becoming one of the top dogs in this industry. So im sure his professionalism has alot to do with it.

So can some of you guys just post a fair dollar figure for what you might pay someone as a refferal fee for sending a girl your way who will make you lots of doe.

Thanks.

Paul Markham · 03-12-2004, 01:49 AM

There is no simple answer to this question. It depends on the girl, how well she works, how long she works for and the ability of the site owner to market it.

A girl like Tawnee Stone with a guy like Lightspeed and you could be talking millions. A nice girl with an average paysite owner and you could be talking hundreds.

How much you will get is now down to the paysite owner, he can give you $20 for the introduction and call it a fair payment. Should have sorted out a rate before you passed her over.

Welcome to GFY and

Axeman · 03-12-2004, 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by charly

A girl like Tawnee Stone with a guy like Lightspeed and you could be talking millions. A nice girl with an average paysite owner and you could be talking hundreds.

Charly exactly the girl I was going to offer up as a suggestion. Lightspeed knows how to market solo girls to perfection.

She was a goldmine for them and me.

- Brent Axford

BigK · 03-12-2004, 01:56 AM

Yeah.. should have but kinda know the guy. didnt think it would become too big of a problem.

id have to say this girl is one notch under tawnee stone. and the companie is a couple notches under lightspeed. Still a hot girl and a pretty good company though.

youranidiot · 03-12-2004, 02:35 AM

First off a model is someone who gets paid $$$$ for looking pretty. Some slut that fucks and sucks for a living on film for the whole world to see is a whore, not a model. A model doesnt take multiple cum shots to the face for money.

See the dictionary definition under model ( From ask Jeeves)
:one who is employed to display clothes or other merchandise
:a person or thing that serves as a pattern for an artist

get it?

second you are <see my name> You shoulda got the money up front. As he can now just say fuck you.

But dont feel bad all isnt lost, your first shot at being a wannabe pimp didnt work out so well but next time you will no better. You can take solice in the fact that you probably took a perfectly fine little hometown Hoe and tricked here out to a life of getting her face jizzed on for $100 bucks a shot. Oh yeah and by the time she hts 26 her pussy will be so stretched out you could park a car in her twat.

Good Job

FlyingIguana · 03-12-2004, 02:37 AM

you're not a real model till you do bukkake...

Shoehorn! · 03-12-2004, 02:39 AM

I usually pay $50 to the person who refers a girl to me. But it all depends.

By the way, welcome and GFY

Jarrod · 03-12-2004, 02:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheSmutPeddlerDOTcom
I usually pay $50 to the person who refers a girl to me. But it all depends.

By the way, welcome and GFY

and $50 is still too much. Have a cheeseburger kid and keep walking.

dunefield · 03-12-2004, 02:52 AM

wasn't lightspeed looking for someone to refer girls to him? i think he offered $1000 to the winner...

HomeTown_Hero · 03-12-2004, 03:13 AM

as little as she will possibly accept as payment

BigK · 03-12-2004, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by youranidiot
First off a model is someone who gets paid $$$$ for looking pretty. Some slut that fucks and sucks for a living on film for the whole world to see is a whore, not a model. A model doesnt take multiple cum shots to the face for money.

See the dictionary definition under model ( From ask Jeeves)
:one who is employed to display clothes or other merchandise
:a person or thing that serves as a pattern for an artist

get it?

second you are <see my name> You shoulda got the money up front. As he can now just say fuck you.

But dont feel bad all isnt lost, your first shot at being a wannabe pimp didnt work out so well but next time you will no better. You can take solice in the fact that you probably took a perfectly fine little hometown Hoe and tricked here out to a life of getting her face jizzed on for $100 bucks a shot. Oh yeah and by the time she hts 26 her pussy will be so stretched out you could park a car in her twat.

Good Job

I do know the difference between a model and someone who sucks and fucks for a living. This girl so far has been only a model.
a nude model. but still even by ask jeeves definition is still a model.

Also wasnt trying to be a pimp. i just know sending a girl his way was worth something. just didnt know how much.

and i know what your talking about when you say be able to park a car in her twat by twenty six.. just got done with a girl like that. find the biggest item in the bedroom and it would fit, and have room to spare.

And yes i know i should haven gotten the money up front. But i have never said he was trying to fuck me out of the money. was just wondering what seemed like a fair price.

to me the 50 bucks seems fair to refer a girl to go take some pictures. but dont seem like a fair amount for a girl who will have her own pay site.

but like i said im not real familiar with this kind of stuff so i just wondered what was a fair amount.

i was thinking 300 would be a good fair amount. since he has a pretty big company. and this girl is a knockout who everyone was eager to see her with her own pay site.. does this seem fair?

detoxed · 03-12-2004, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BigK

I do know the difference between a model and someone who sucks and fucks for a living. This girl so far has been only a model.
a nude model. but still even by ask jeeves definition is still a model.

Also wasnt trying to be a pimp. i just know sending a girl his way was worth something. just didnt know how much.

and i know what your talking about when you say be able to park a car in her twat by twenty six.. just got done with a girl like that. find the biggest item in the bedroom and it would fit, and have room to spare.

And yes i know i should haven gotten the money up front. But i have never said he was trying to fuck me out of the money. was just wondering what seemed like a fair price.

to me the 50 bucks seems fair to refer a girl to go take some pictures. but dont seem like a fair amount for a girl who will have her own pay site.

but like i said im not real familiar with this kind of stuff so i just wondered what was a fair amount.

i was thinking 300 would be a good fair amount. since he has a pretty big company. and this girl is a knockout who everyone was eager to see her with her own pay site.. does this seem fair?

LOL do you live in a garbage dumpster? $300 for her to star in a paysite? What kind of crackhead hoe do you have here?

PrivateIvy · 03-12-2004, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by youranidiot
First off a model is someone who gets paid $$$$ for looking pretty. Some slut that fucks and sucks for a living on film for the whole world to see is a whore, not a model. A model doesnt take multiple cum shots to the face for money.

See the dictionary definition under model ( From ask Jeeves)
:one who is employed to display clothes or other merchandise
:a person or thing that serves as a pattern for an artist

get it?

Hmmmm...so does that mean that Jenna Jameson is NOT a model??

Ivy

Rictor · 03-12-2004, 11:27 AM

Post a picture.

coolandthegang · 03-12-2004, 11:27 AM

we're drawing women, not paying them...

Lykos · 03-12-2004, 11:33 AM

It is worth exactly how much u pay for it

HeadPimp · 03-12-2004, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheSmutPeddlerDOTcom
I usually pay $50 to the person who refers a girl to me. But it all depends.

By the way, welcome and GFY

That sounds about right... Besides if she was just iffy on doing porn then she probably won't stick with it long enough to make a good site. I have shot lots of models and would have done sites with some of them, but I know they are flaky by nature. I have sent 3 of my models off to someone else to do sites with and of that only in is still doing it...

BigK · 03-12-2004, 11:39 AM

i cant post a picture. im not looking to have anyone look badly at this company. or think he is a cheap skate. or anything. my intentions at this point are just to find out what a fair amount is.

and if i posted a picture you would know who he was. cause some of you will be promoting this girl. and have more than likely seen some of her pictures and would quickly associate them.

ofcourse so far this guy hasnt done anything wrong im just trying to figure out a fair amount before i approach him.

but like i say i see alot of you sporting this companies banners, so i dont want to post any pictures and make it less annonymous.

sorry. but im not trying to cause problems for this guy.

EmporerEJ · 03-12-2004, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by youranidiot
First off a model is someone who gets paid $$$$ for looking pretty. Some slut that fucks and sucks for a living on film for the whole world to see is a whore, not a model. A model doesnt take multiple cum shots to the face for money.

See the dictionary definition under model ( From ask Jeeves)
:one who is employed to display clothes or other merchandise
:a person or thing that serves as a pattern for an artist

get it?

second you are <see my name> You shoulda got the money up front. As he can now just say fuck you.

But dont feel bad all isnt lost, your first shot at being a wannabe pimp didnt work out so well but next time you will no better. You can take solice in the fact that you probably took a perfectly fine little hometown Hoe and tricked here out to a life of getting her face jizzed on for $100 bucks a shot. Oh yeah and by the time she hts 26 her pussy will be so stretched out you could park a car in her twat.

Good Job

Gee, if you don't like the Biz, don't hold back, just say so.
I mean, really Mr. 1 Poster. Aren't you late for your weekly religious brainwash session?

EmporerEJ · 03-12-2004, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by coolandthegang
we're drawing women, not paying them...

Do you draw lots of frames, or few...i.e., do you make cartoon strips, or movies?

reynold · 03-13-2004, 12:15 AM

It depends on the model.

pimplink · 03-13-2004, 12:43 AM

Post a picture pls!!

Snowbebe · 03-13-2004, 02:57 AM

How about Solo video, amateur sex, lesbian, and orgy plus like 200 pics?

Mr. Marks · 03-13-2004, 03:01 AM

Depends on how she will perform.

Kicker · 03-13-2004, 03:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by coolandthegang
we're drawing women, not paying them...

Snowbebe · 03-13-2004, 07:08 PM

She is a natural and looks absolutly perfect on video with her screaming, moaning and making those sexy faces.

Lesl · 03-13-2004, 08:56 PM

The actual older agency in L.A. did start paying(for the first 25 years something,I never heard they were paying anything for this so I guess the competition is getting harder)a $125. fee for a referral of a brand new unknown girl. By the way,I guess everybody understood I was talking about Worldmodeling?

Rochard · 03-13-2004, 09:44 PM

How much is she worth? That depends on a lot of things..... Without seeing a picture I wouldn't offer more than $100.

Lightspeed did recently offer $1000 to the person who sent us the next Lightspeed girl.

How much do you think this one would be worth?

BigK · 03-14-2004, 01:49 AM

well. in my own oppinion she is hotter than the girl in that picture. I would love to post a picture of her to get a better idea. but i think i may have went too far even making this post. just alittle currious was all.

i was thinking 300 was fair. but after reading alot of these posts it seems i might have been mistaken. aparrently it dont pay to well to refer girls to adult webmasters. not that i was lookin to get rich or anything.

my thinking was just that this wasnt a girl who you will shoot a few times for some content for a website that has 30 girls on it. it was single girl site which will more than likely do very well. of course noone really knows how well she will do until its launched and everything. but a hundred dollars like you say. to refer a girl to you that you will make 10,s of thousands of dollars on just seems low.

maybe a referal program should be made where you get paid for sending nice models to you guys. something that would help encourage people like me who know quite a few nice model type girls to send em your way. like get a referal fee as she goes type thing. if she does well the referrer gets alittle more. of course it couldnt be too high an amount. but alittle something as time goes on.
maybe thats been done i dont know.

But thanks for replying everyone. gave me a good insite as to what was fair for this kind of thing. i think what it boils down to is what the web guy says he will pay is what he thinks is fair and i should take it and appreciate it.

so thanks again.

HeadPimp · 03-14-2004, 02:17 AM

I just realized that this thread started off with this...

Quote:

Hi just stumbled across this board for adult site webmasters and figured this would be a great place to get some honest reasonable answers. So here is my question.

'Bout laughed my ass out of my chair....

BigK · 03-14-2004, 02:29 AM

yeah.. figured someone would say something about that right off the bat. figured i would get a bunch of replys saying "honest and reasonable??? whats that" but everyone actually did seem pretty honest.

Paul Markham · 03-14-2004, 02:31 AM

If you think $300 is fair then ask for $400 and see what he says. If she's good he will pay it.

I would pay $1,000 for a GOOD girl, who does everything and signs up exclusive to us. And I mean more than your average attractive teen. Something like these three.

Trust me in the right hands these girls are worth enough to pay out $1,000

modelgigtalent · 03-14-2004, 02:37 AM

Girls that suck and fuck for a living are by definition models. They also model for websites and magazines.... hence my site...

www.modelgig.com Get it? Model Gig, most of these girls do porn as well.

If you found a girl like this one.....
www.teenjustina.com I would think $1,000 is in order.

As for the finders fee, it should be at the very least $500, and if she is as great as you say, perhaps you should get a % from the site profits instead of a measly finders fee. Thats what you should say to your friend.

dunefield · 03-14-2004, 03:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RocHard
How much is she worth? That depends on a lot of things..... Without seeing a picture I wouldn't offer more than $100.

Lightspeed did recently offer $1000 to the person who sent us the next Lightspeed girl.

How much do you think this one would be worth?

priceless

sexsup · 03-14-2004, 04:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by charly

She seems to worth 1000$ for sure

03-14-2004, 04:12 AM

nice girls

Nicky · 03-14-2004, 04:24 AM

you should ask for atleast $500, and you should definatley point out that you were the one that talked her into it.....

runaway · 03-14-2004, 07:15 AM

Hmm... makes sense

03-12-2004, 12:57 AM	#1
BigK Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 38	How much is a good model worth? Hi just stumbled across this board for adult site webmasters and figured this would be a great place to get some honest reasonable answers. So here is my question. Lets say i know a girl who is very sexy, young, and pretty. and she approches me and expresses her interest in doing an internet site. i happen to know of a guy here in town that does this kind of stuff. he is kind of a friend of a friend. so i tell him "hey i know a girl who is pretty damn hot wanting to do a site, is there some kind of referral fee for me to send her to you?" he says "yeah ill pay you". Although he didnt mention any dollar amount i assume its a pretty good amount. So i first convince her its ok to do an adult website she was kinda iffy at first. then send her to this guy for him to see what he thought. he took a few pictures to ask around and see what everyone thought. the response was astonishing. everyone wanted to see her with her own site. so he quickly started on her a site. Now, i have not yet talked with this guy again about money. but im just currious of what would be a fair amount for sending him a girl with a great potential to make lots of money for them. I should note this guy so far has seemed to be pretty fair in all the stuff he does, and seems to be treating this girl very well. seems to be very professional. Of course rumor has it he is quickly becoming one of the top dogs in this industry. So im sure his professionalism has alot to do with it. So can some of you guys just post a fair dollar figure for what you might pay someone as a refferal fee for sending a girl your way who will make you lots of doe. Thanks.

03-12-2004, 01:49 AM	#2
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	There is no simple answer to this question. It depends on the girl, how well she works, how long she works for and the ability of the site owner to market it. A girl like Tawnee Stone with a guy like Lightspeed and you could be talking millions. A nice girl with an average paysite owner and you could be talking hundreds. How much you will get is now down to the paysite owner, he can give you $20 for the introduction and call it a fair payment. Should have sorted out a rate before you passed her over. Welcome to GFY and __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

03-12-2004, 02:39 AM	#7
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03-12-2004, 03:13 AM	#10
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03-12-2004, 01:56 AM	#4
BigK Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 38	Yeah.. should have but kinda know the guy. didnt think it would become too big of a problem. id have to say this girl is one notch under tawnee stone. and the companie is a couple notches under lightspeed. Still a hot girl and a pretty good company though.

03-12-2004, 02:35 AM	#5
youranidiot Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 2	First off a model is someone who gets paid $$$$ for looking pretty. Some slut that fucks and sucks for a living on film for the whole world to see is a whore, not a model. A model doesnt take multiple cum shots to the face for money. See the dictionary definition under model ( From ask Jeeves) :one who is employed to display clothes or other merchandise :a person or thing that serves as a pattern for an artist get it? second you are <see my name> You shoulda got the money up front. As he can now just say fuck you. But dont feel bad all isnt lost, your first shot at being a wannabe pimp didnt work out so well but next time you will no better. You can take solice in the fact that you probably took a perfectly fine little hometown Hoe and tricked here out to a life of getting her face jizzed on for $100 bucks a shot. Oh yeah and by the time she hts 26 her pussy will be so stretched out you could park a car in her twat. Good Job

03-12-2004, 02:37 AM	#6
FlyingIguana aspiring banker Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: toronto Posts: 10,870	you're not a real model till you do bukkake...

03-12-2004, 11:27 AM	#14
Rictor Old Timer Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 12,208	Post a picture.

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03-12-2004, 11:33 AM	#16
Lykos Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: World Posts: 31,030	It is worth exactly how much u pay for it __________________

03-12-2004, 11:39 AM	#18
BigK Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 38	i cant post a picture. im not looking to have anyone look badly at this company. or think he is a cheap skate. or anything. my intentions at this point are just to find out what a fair amount is. and if i posted a picture you would know who he was. cause some of you will be promoting this girl. and have more than likely seen some of her pictures and would quickly associate them. ofcourse so far this guy hasnt done anything wrong im just trying to figure out a fair amount before i approach him. but like i say i see alot of you sporting this companies banners, so i dont want to post any pictures and make it less annonymous. sorry. but im not trying to cause problems for this guy.

03-13-2004, 12:15 AM	#21
reynold Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Global Traveler Posts: 51,271	It depends on the model.

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Snowbebe Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Maryland Posts: 41	How about Solo video, amateur sex, lesbian, and orgy plus like 200 pics? __________________ NikandLace.com

03-13-2004, 03:01 AM	#24
Mr. Marks Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Wherever I want Posts: 7,517	Depends on how she will perform.

03-13-2004, 07:08 PM	#26
Snowbebe Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Maryland Posts: 41	She is a natural and looks absolutly perfect on video with her screaming, moaning and making those sexy faces. __________________ NikandLace.com

03-13-2004, 08:56 PM	#27
Lesl Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1	The actual older agency in L.A. did start paying(for the first 25 years something,I never heard they were paying anything for this so I guess the competition is getting harder)a $125. fee for a referral of a brand new unknown girl. By the way,I guess everybody understood I was talking about Worldmodeling?

03-13-2004, 09:44 PM	#28
Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 74,595	How much is she worth? That depends on a lot of things..... Without seeing a picture I wouldn't offer more than $100. Lightspeed did recently offer $1000 to the person who sent us the next Lightspeed girl. How much do you think this one would be worth? __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

03-14-2004, 01:49 AM	#29
BigK Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 38	well. in my own oppinion she is hotter than the girl in that picture. I would love to post a picture of her to get a better idea. but i think i may have went too far even making this post. just alittle currious was all. i was thinking 300 was fair. but after reading alot of these posts it seems i might have been mistaken. aparrently it dont pay to well to refer girls to adult webmasters. not that i was lookin to get rich or anything. my thinking was just that this wasnt a girl who you will shoot a few times for some content for a website that has 30 girls on it. it was single girl site which will more than likely do very well. of course noone really knows how well she will do until its launched and everything. but a hundred dollars like you say. to refer a girl to you that you will make 10,s of thousands of dollars on just seems low. maybe a referal program should be made where you get paid for sending nice models to you guys. something that would help encourage people like me who know quite a few nice model type girls to send em your way. like get a referal fee as she goes type thing. if she does well the referrer gets alittle more. of course it couldnt be too high an amount. but alittle something as time goes on. maybe thats been done i dont know. But thanks for replying everyone. gave me a good insite as to what was fair for this kind of thing. i think what it boils down to is what the web guy says he will pay is what he thinks is fair and i should take it and appreciate it. so thanks again.

03-14-2004, 02:29 AM	#31
BigK Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 38	yeah.. figured someone would say something about that right off the bat. figured i would get a bunch of replys saying "honest and reasonable??? whats that" but everyone actually did seem pretty honest.

03-14-2004, 02:31 AM	#32
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	If you think $300 is fair then ask for $400 and see what he says. If she's good he will pay it. I would pay $1,000 for a GOOD girl, who does everything and signs up exclusive to us. And I mean more than your average attractive teen. Something like these three. Trust me in the right hands these girls are worth enough to pay out $1,000 __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

03-14-2004, 02:37 AM	#33
modelgigtalent Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Sin Sity - Hit me here! ICQ: 165829688 Posts: 2,208	Girls that suck and fuck for a living are by definition models. They also model for websites and magazines.... hence my site... www.modelgig.com Get it? Model Gig, most of these girls do porn as well. If you found a girl like this one..... www.teenjustina.com I would think $1,000 is in order. As for the finders fee, it should be at the very least $500, and if she is as great as you say, perhaps you should get a % from the site profits instead of a measly finders fee. Thats what you should say to your friend. __________________ Web marketing - video editing - color correcting and more. ICQ -165829688 Last edited by modelgigtalent; 03-14-2004 at 02:41 AM..

03-14-2004, 04:24 AM	#37
Nicky Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 30,070	you should ask for atleast $500, and you should definatley point out that you were the one that talked her into it..... __________________ gfynicky @ gmail.com

03-14-2004, 07:15 AM	#38
runaway Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,177	Hmm... makes sense