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p1mpdogg · 03-09-2004, 08:04 PM

here is the situation....

some crack head in epic mail decided to send us thousands of hotmail addresses in the epic mail program....

so obvoisly this isnt genral traffic, this is him mailing hotmail addresses getting them to optin to our list...

now a smart guy would wonder...

why is he sending them to a .75 program and not sending them to a $30 a join program right?

i would think because these emails are complete shit and they dont buy anything...

so what do i do?

you make the call...

tbabe · 03-09-2004, 08:05 PM

boot him, unless you can make money off emails

BradM · 03-09-2004, 08:06 PM

Contact him
get the whole story
Cancel his account and send me 50% of the money regardless of his response.

fuzebox · 03-09-2004, 08:08 PM

Is he sending the traffic from a specific site, or is he spamming linkcodes?

Do you have individual IPs for each address?

p1mpdogg · 03-09-2004, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tbabe
boot him, unless you can make money off emails

we no longer give credit on hotmail..
slight oversight on my part...

but anyone who mailes knows hotmail is a nightmare to mail to.. and are useless to me.. they ban ip's after 2 complaints.

i want to pay the guy, but not 100%.. whats fair?

im white listed at yahoo and aol

so those are not an issue

msn and hotmail are complete junk... i just assume deelte the addresses than fuck with them...

so i can pay him 7k and make 0.00

or i can pay him half and try and remain business savy and maintain a relationship on a civil level rather than getting slammed all over the boards or whatever may happen...

detoxed · 03-09-2004, 08:10 PM

Did he break any rules?

Chris · 03-09-2004, 08:11 PM

are you making money off of it /

detoxed · 03-09-2004, 08:11 PM

Yeah pay him half if he sent a bunch of shit

Spunky · 03-09-2004, 08:11 PM

Claim you had another *Glitch* and boot his ass by mistake and keep all his current earnings ...

Rankings · 03-09-2004, 08:12 PM

good luck with that

skillfull · 03-09-2004, 08:13 PM

pay it full
i think its the price to learn to not accept hotmail adress if you cant mail them :P

p1mpdogg · 03-09-2004, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by fuzebox
Is he sending the traffic from a specific site, or is he spamming linkcodes?

Do you have individual IPs for each address?

he isnt scamming me... all unique ip's

but clearly a stupid decision i would think if he didnt know the emaisl were useless...
this is the obvious question..

why send to a .75 program and not to a pps program paying $30 a join? if the emails are good, and he can get into hotmail np.. then why the hells end to a .75 program...

seems to me like he knew they were complete crap and tried to pass them off on us

Ic3m4nZ · 03-09-2004, 08:13 PM

Pay him and

p1mpdogg · 03-09-2004, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by detoxed
Did he break any rules?

in all honesty.. no. he didnt.. but there is clearly something fishy about his intentions here....

jimmyf · 03-09-2004, 08:15 PM

pay me 100%

skillfull · 03-09-2004, 08:16 PM

if he dont break the rules you cant change the rules after that
i mean you can, but after had pay him

p1mpdogg · 03-09-2004, 08:17 PM

look, im trying to be reasonable here and not just kill his acct and move on.. thats bull shit and i am not like that...

he didnt scam us. he sint a scammer. i think a bit dishonest tho.. what he did makes no sense.. im asking for real advice here.. im new to the double optin game

jimmyf · 03-09-2004, 08:17 PM

hotmail has some dam good filters...

p1mpdogg · 03-09-2004, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by skillfull
if he dont break the rules you cant change the rules after that
i mean you can, but after had pay him

i have already taken this point into account..

but i can NOT ignore the fact he clearly sent us crap emails knowing they are worthless.. or he would have mailed paysites and made 10 times more.

jimmyf · 03-09-2004, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by p1mpdogg
look, im trying to be reasonable here and not just kill his acct and move on.. thats bull shit and i am not like that...

he didnt scam us. he sint a scammer. i think a bit dishonest tho.. what he did makes no sense.. im asking for real advice here.. im new to the double optin game

I'd talk 2 him and tell him about hotmail. offer him 15% see what he thinks you can always go up don't start out 2 high though.

skillfull · 03-09-2004, 08:24 PM

one possible explanation
he is spamming hotmail account and use a bp hosting
those who sign-up throught are legit, but you cant mail into hotmail
maybe check the referrer and it might explain you everything
or better, ask him is apache log to be paid

Ash@phpFX · 03-09-2004, 08:32 PM

if he broke no rules, and the homail addresses are legit, i think you need to pay him. then change your script so that hotmail addresses arent accepted and let your affiliates know. when do you credit to the affiliate, when the address is entered, or when they click on a confirm link in the email?

stocktrader23 · 03-09-2004, 08:33 PM

Just pay me. I had my entire Church group join from their hotmail accounts.

SleazyDream · 03-09-2004, 08:34 PM

spammers and programs that spam are bad.

dropped9 · 03-09-2004, 08:34 PM

p1mpdogg · 03-09-2004, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by asher
if he broke no rules, and the homail addresses are legit, i think you need to pay him. then change your script so that hotmail addresses arent accepted and let your affiliates know. when do you credit to the affiliate, when the address is entered, or when they click on a confirm link in the email?

when the member logs into the members area is when affiliates get credit...

i think i have it worked out with him...

50% payment ($3500)
and he gets all our hotmails and msn's and mails us with them and gets paid $25 a join

sounds fair doesnt it?

p1mpdogg · 03-09-2004, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream
spammers and programs that spam are bad.

sleaxy they are double optins through epic mail.. completely legal and legit mailing... no spam here

KMR Stitch · 03-09-2004, 08:38 PM

Pay him Then Change the rules after that.

Most rules are written in blood.

SleazyDream · 03-09-2004, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by p1mpdogg

sleaxy they are double optins through epic mail.. completely legal and legit mailing... no spam here

what the fuck "some crack head in epic mail decided to send us thousands of hotmail addresses in the epic mail program....

so obvoisly this isnt genral traffic, this is him mailing hotmail addresses getting them to optin to our list..."

doesn't sound like they are OPTED IN to me...... spamming to opt in isn't what opt in email programs are supposed to be.

p1mpdogg · 03-09-2004, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KMR Stitch
Pay him Then Change the rules after that.

Most rules are written in blood.

what about my posts are you not getting?

yea rules are rules i totally agree. but someone tries to decieve you knowing something is worthless and sends it to you.. there is an ethics issue that comes up.

Helix · 03-09-2004, 08:40 PM

just call him a ******,jew, or a sheep like usual.
bla bla bla

lurking · 03-09-2004, 08:41 PM

what the fuck? it's YOUR mistake and you want to take HIS money? pay the man and make it a point that hotmail is not accepted. that is the right thing to do.

p1mpdogg · 03-09-2004, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream

what the fuck "some crack head in epic mail decided to send us thousands of hotmail addresses in the epic mail program....

so obvoisly this isnt genral traffic, this is him mailing hotmail addresses getting them to optin to our list..."

doesn't sound like they are OPTED IN to me...... spamming to opt in isn't what opt in email programs are supposed to be.

well there have been 0 complaints.. so they must have been opted in... most lilely just spammed to death over and over and over making them worthless....

p1mpdogg · 03-09-2004, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lurking
what the fuck? it's YOUR mistake and you want to take HIS money? pay the man and make it a point that hotmail is not accepted. that is the right thing to do.

hey doofus...

are you not reading things clearly?

im hearing both sides here and going to base my decission off of that.

what was my mistake? not knowing someone was going to send a ton of crap emails into my program?

yea i saw that a mile away and planned on this happening... he got caught and i am still willing to work it out with him.

dont try and bash me for trying todo the right thing

jerkoff

lurking · 03-09-2004, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by p1mpdogg

hey doofus...

are you not reading things clearly?

im hearing both sides here and going to base my decission off of that.

what was my mistake? not knowing someone was going to send a ton of crap emails into my program?

yea i saw that a mile away and planned on this happening... he got caught and i am still willing to work it out with him.

dont try and bash me for trying todo the right thing

jerkoff

it's your fault that you did not stop him after a couple hundred emails. it's your fault he doesn't know hotmail is not allowed. this is your program, not his. pay the man, asshole.

{fusion} · 03-09-2004, 08:47 PM

ask for the stats and logs of the site sending the mails.

traffic and logs is the only way you can figure it out.

Did all the emails he sent confirm?

p1mpdogg · 03-09-2004, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lurking

it's your fault that you did not stop him after a couple hundred emails. it's your fault he doesn't know hotmail is not allowed. this is your program, not his. pay the man, asshole.

you dont get it.

p1mpdogg · 03-09-2004, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by {fusion}
ask for the stats and logs of the site sending the mails.

traffic and logs is the only way you can figure it out.

Did all the emails he sent confirm?

as i have stated before.. yes they confirmed thats not the point

every single email was from hotmail

ahh fuck it

im not going to explain this again.. reread the thread please

Lace · 03-09-2004, 08:58 PM

..Hey at least he's getting a chance, most affiliate programs will just term without notice nor payment.

Now, thats my

lurking · 03-09-2004, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by p1mpdogg

you dont get it.

$7k worth of hotmail addresses, all confirmed, all unique IPs. you cannot sell to hotmail addresses so you don't want to pay him. what am I missing?

rip raster · 03-09-2004, 09:47 PM

my balls itch

psyko514 · 03-09-2004, 11:05 PM

well this explains why my referral bonus was so damn high the last few days!

p1mpdogg · 03-09-2004, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by psyko514
well this explains why my referral bonus was so damn high the last few days!

no biggie, wasnt your fault.. youll get paid for the referals

cluck · 03-09-2004, 11:09 PM

YOU BETTER KEEP ACCEPTING AOL'S

beemk · 03-09-2004, 11:10 PM

i say pay him 100%. if i followed the rules and got fucked out of my $ i would be pissed. tell him that his hotmail emails are done though.

p1mpdogg · 03-09-2004, 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cluck
YOU BETTER KEEP ACCEPTING AOL'S

aol's np

we are white listed there and love aol

Alky · 03-09-2004, 11:14 PM

your no longer accepting hotmails... since when?

psyko514 · 03-09-2004, 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by p1mpdogg

no biggie, wasnt your fault.. youll get paid for the referals

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beemk · 03-09-2004, 11:15 PM

its like a pay per signup program paying out $200 per signup then later on saying "sorry we cant pay you your full amount because we can make enough $ off these surfers"

p1mpdogg · 03-09-2004, 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by beemk
i say pay him 100%. if i followed the rules and got fucked out of my $ i would be pissed. tell him that his hotmail emails are done though.

we have already came to an arragment and we are both happy with the out come...

its all good

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p1mpdogg Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 16,714	GFY judge and jury? here is the situation.... some crack head in epic mail decided to send us thousands of hotmail addresses in the epic mail program.... so obvoisly this isnt genral traffic, this is him mailing hotmail addresses getting them to optin to our list... now a smart guy would wonder... why is he sending them to a .75 program and not sending them to a $30 a join program right? i would think because these emails are complete shit and they dont buy anything... so what do i do? you make the call... __________________ A fast fortune is easy to earn! Just go with a winner!

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p1mpdogg Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 16,714	look, im trying to be reasonable here and not just kill his acct and move on.. thats bull shit and i am not like that... he didnt scam us. he sint a scammer. i think a bit dishonest tho.. what he did makes no sense.. im asking for real advice here.. im new to the double optin game __________________ A fast fortune is easy to earn! Just go with a winner!

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