Centurion

100 HomoPHOBES!

reynold

If they want to, even if I don't want them to,
what can I do?

TekayRoyal

whatever......maybe they will shut up then

Repetitive Monkey

Really? I have yet to meet someone who is afraid of gays. Just where do these chickenshits of all chickenshits live? Because as you are perfectly well aware of, disapproval and not understanding how burying a part of your body in feces possibly can be sexually arousing is not fear/phobia.

That term is thrown around all the time, and I have to say that you think too highly of yourselves.

Also, since you encourage unpleasantries, let me ask you why a disproportionate amount of pedophiles also are bi/homosexual? Try to deny it or even imply that it isn't true and I will happily waste five minutes of my life digging up statistics to own you with.

exspamr

i dont care if gays get married, i dont see the big deal, the issue of gay adoption surprises me because nobody cares about that... gays marrying effects nobody, gays adopting a kid effects the kid

anyway i guess the only argument against gay marriage is that it will turn into a where will it end issue... because if gays can marry then why cant bisexuals marry 2 people and why cant i have 6 asian wifes... granted id never get married but i wouldnt mind tricking 6 asian women into thinking i would

Joetanto

yes plain and simple

clickhappy

yeah that makes sense.

Orphans would better off sitting in an orphanage all of their lives staring at the wall instead of being given the choice to live with people who will love them and help them grow into adults.

SomeCreep

Gay people should have the exact same rights as everyone else, including the right to get married

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BloodFart

The gays want to adopt to get a jump on recruiting the young orphan boy.

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exspamr

i wasnt saying i was against gay adoption but i would think that would be a bigger issue than gay marriage... but really, can you deny the fact that a kid with gay parents wouldnt have a harder time growing up in school... a lot of parents and other kids would make the kid an outcast...

Repetitive Monkey

Care to enlighten GFY with the story behind your nick, BloodFart?

BloodFart

Ya, i seen it on irc long ago, it was so fucking stupid it made me laugh, I adopted it.. Whats fucked up is everyone thinks it's a gay nick. like gays would fart blood for some reason, when we all know they dont do things to damage their asses such as shove arms and household objects up to their intestines for entertainment and call it love.

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Centurion

You're hysterical!! I just do the old "100 (put in witty saying here) and you jump all over me.

Ok asshole..I'll take your challenge..shows me your "stats" that there is a higher % of gays that abuse children than hets!

Mr. Marks

I think they do have the right but not all
people agreed to it.

skiv

Vagina's are tasty morsels

Repetitive Monkey

So now you are resorting to abusive expletives? Interesting.

You know as well as I do right off from the bat that there are too many bi/gay pedophiles to consider heteros and gays to produce an equal percentage of pedophiles. But here we go.

A disproportionate amount of pedophiles are gay
http://famguardian.org/Subjects/SexualImmorality/Pedophilia/HomosexualityAndChildSexAbuse.htm
Extract 1: "Homosexuals are overrepresented in child sex offenses: Individuals from the 1 to 3 percent of the population that is sexually attracted to the same sex are committing up to one-third of the sex crimes against children."
Extract 2: "Significant numbers of victims are males: Up to one-third of all sex crimes against children are committed against boys (as opposed to girls)."

Schmidt, Thomas (1995). Straight and Narrow? Compassion and Clarity in the Homosexuality Debate. Downers Grove, Ill.: Intervarsity Press, p. 114.
Extract: "since homosexual pedophiles victimize far more children than do heterosexual pedophiles, it is estimated that approximately 80 percent or pedophile victims are boys who have been molested by adult males"

http://www.massnews.com/past_issues/2000/Culture/apapedo.htm
Extract 1: "?Because the homosexual community is sharply divided on this subject, the study [that was published by the American Psychological Association] will undoubtedly cause consternation among them. Homosexuals are proud of the fact that most child molesters are not homosexuals. But they do not consider that the only reason this is true is because only 3% of the population are homosexuals; the truth is that pedophilia is more than three times more common among homosexuals. Some studies have shown that 35% of pedophiles are homosexual.? "

"In 1985 The Los Angeles Times did a study of 2,628 adults across the US. Of these, 27% of the women and 16% of the men had been sexually molested as children. Seven percent of the girls and 93% of the men were abused by adults of the same sex. Which means 7% of the men were abused by females and 93% of the girls by men. So again, heterosexual and homosexual men did most of the molestations, and women over all had a negligible contribution to the molestation cases. And since women are over 50% of the population, women (Lesbian and Straight alike) are VERY underrepresented amongst child molesters. And when we break down the molestation rates between homosexuals (and for all intents of purposes, bisexuals will be included as homosexual) and heterosexuals (also note, bisexuals also are included in the heterosexual sample too no doubt) we can see, even with bisexuals, heterosexuals molest at a much LOWER RATE for their numbers in the population, to homosexuals. Taking this altogether, we can see nearly 40% of the molestations were done by homosexuals."


That's as much as I bothered to dig up for now. READ IT. If you actually pay attention to the news, you will also notice that when a pedophile offense has taken place the victims are OFTEN either boys and girls (bisexual), or just boys (homosexual).

And don't bother saying that, "But MORE pedophiles are heterosexual!" We already know that. There is also vastly more heterosexuals than homosexuals.

Centurion

Just like from the song "Alice's Restaurant"..."you can get anything you want...at Alice's Restaurant.."

You can get anything from any one person on the internet!
Wow..these are really great sources you are using..

NOT!

If you had used the example of the Catholic church, I might have agreed with you. But as it is..you are just clueless as to what really happens in the real world.

Nice try..but overall..VERY lame attempt to prove your point.

Now..go back to school and get that education you need!

pimplink

If they wanna get married with the same sex,
there's nothing we can do about it.

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born4porn

Of course they should, they do here. We have the leading gay law reform laws in the world.

rett11

you know why a higher % of pedophiles are gay? because society doesn't accept them, and because most gays never actually make the fact that they're gay public...this creates a l.ot of psychopaths. Imagine if you were born a certain way, but you never felt you could comfortably be that way. Why do you think so many priests molest kids?

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Centurion

Except, that the incidence of pedophila is PRIMARILY heterosexual by a HUGE margin. The last report I had seen that had been done by a government institution partnered with a university had the rates at like 90/10 (90% het, 10% gay).

It is amazing how these "urban myths" get started that gay men are more likely to "offend" that het men.

rett11

I'll definitely go with that...just trying to defend from the idiots.

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jas1552

Even if your stats are true that would mean gays are 5 to 10 times more likely than straights to be pedos since gays only make up 1 to 2 percent of the population but 10 percent of pedos. That is unless you actually believe 1 out of 10 people are gay.

Joe Citizen

It's WAYYYYYYY more than 1%.

There's no way it's less than 5%.

jas1552

1 out of 20 seems high to me but I don't really know. Assuming gays are 5% of the population but 10% of pedos obviously that would mean gays are twice as likely to be pedos as straights. If that were the case that would be plenty of reason to not allow homosexuals to adopt. Then again I can't confirm or deny the validity of any of those numbers. Regardless, it takes a mother and a father to make a child and I believe both mother and father relationships are important in raising a child. I don't believe single people or gay couples should be able to adopt except in special circumstances(such as a child being orphaned and the closest relative being single or gay). Before equal rights are brought up, I'll point out that there is no right to adopt. The only thing that matters in adoption is the welfare of the child.

Repetitive Monkey

So you will not believe studies by the New York Times or statistics cited by organizations or estimated by experts in the field?

Poor me, what to do?

I know, if the US government tells you that you are owned, you would believe it, right? I have a feeling your defense might be, "a government lead by Bush is a good source. NOT. Huh-huh." but let's give it a try any way.

U.S. Dpt of Health & Human Services / ACF survey, http://www.acf.dhhs.gov/news/press/1996/nis.htm
Direct quote: "Girls are sexually abused three times more often than boys"

This means that around 33% of all child sexual abuse victims are BOYS. That's consistent with many of the previously posted statistics and estimations.

It is also consistent with information from PCAR (Pennsylvania Coalition Against Rape) which can be located here: http://www.pcar.org/about_sa/faqs_sa.html
Direct quote: "25-35% of child sexual abuse victims are males"

DC Rape Crisis Center also says this (http://www.dcrcc.org/male-survivors.htm).

I can go on and on about sources stating that roughly around one third of all pedophile victims are boys, but seeing as you don't believe it unless the source is the government or a gay activist organization, there's no point in wasting more time on that.

So what have we learned thus far? Around 33% of all pedophile victims are BOYS.

And you know what else? Practically ALL pedophiles are male. That goes without saying.

Now let's decide what percentage of the population at large is gay. The serious studies and statistics I have seen shows anywhere from 1 to 5%, but gay activist organizations sometimes claim figures all the way up to 8, 9, and even 10%. Let's compromise and say that the average gay population at large lies around 6%.

So...

- Homosexuality, found in around 6% of the population, is "responsible" for around 33% of the pedophile victims.
- Heterosexuality, found in around 94% of the population, is "responsible" for around 66% of the pedophile victims.

That's vastly disproportionate by GOOD margins. It must suck to have gay pride over this issue, and I pity you for it.

Also, if you for some mysterious reason still haven't had enough, explain why there are Man-Boy love associations such as NAMBLA, and no Man-Girl love associations. The many pro-pedophilia statements by gay activist organizations and leaders are also interesting in this regard. I'm not saying that all gays are anything, but you wanted evidence of homosexuality being more receptive to pedophilia, so I give it to you.

rett11

like I said before...if you feel like everyone hates you, then it's pretty hard to live your life. next thing you dumbasses will say that blacks are born more likely to commit crime. use your fucking heads.

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jas1552

So you're making up excuses for pedophiles? It's not their fault, it's society right?

jas1552

Thanks for pointing that out again dude. I almost forgot about the previous post where you sympathize with gay pedophiles.

rett11

you guys truly think gays are born more likely to be pedophiles? I'm done here.

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jas1552

Nah, man of course not. Society forces them to rape children. Poor misunderstood pedophiles.

thePelican

yes they should have the same rights.

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rett11

I'm not supporting pedophiles...you people scare me.

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jas1552

I wonder what percentage of gays if any are born gay anyway and how many were "turned" that way?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract

"In research with 942 nonclinical adult participants, gay men and lesbian women reported a significantly higher rate of childhood molestation than did heterosexual men and women. Forty-six percent of the homosexual men in contrast to 7% of the heterosexual men reported homosexual molestation. Twenty-two percent of lesbian women in contrast to 1% of heterosexual women reported homosexual molestation."

rett11

you have GOT to be kidding.

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fuelcell

what he said pretty much sums up what i think. (much easier than typing)

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kmanrox

sure why not... censorship in any form is bad... unless we're talking about things that phsysically hurt other people... fuck your beliefs and religion and your homophobeness.... if it aint physically hurting you, let them be

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jas1552

Nope. Not kidding. Just wondering.

jas1552

I know. You're not sympathizing with pedophiles in general. Just the gay ones.

BloodFart

oh those poor pedophiles.. so misunderstood.. you're a sick fuck you know that?

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cosis

i dont see a problem with it, people need to mind their own business

Centurion

So if out of 100 cases of pedophilia, 90 are commited by heterosexuals and only 10 cases are commited by gays, you really want to keep talking about how PREVALENT pedophila is among gay men??

You are not looking at the big picture at all (Plus, I do believe that there are a whole lot more of gay/bi-sexual men/women in this country that are in the closet and are not counted in the 10% thus making the # of "gays" much larger than we believe them to be.)

Centurion

And I do not believe that only 1 to 2% of the population is gay. That's a religious right spin. I think it is closer to 12% or more. (that includes BI-SEXUALS as well)

kimzar

i don't think so

Centurion

It's amazing how people can twist numbers around and try to make them support their case. But you do not give a full spectrum on whether or not the people commiting the crimes were INDEED gay men or lesbian women. That's a VERY important point! Straight men prey on boys too! They're NOT homosexual men, but in your stats, they get thrown INTO THAT CATEGORY thus skewing the whole data!

Now dealing with studies of actual homosexual men and lesbian women:

Sexual orientation is normally thought of in terms of an adult's sexual attraction to other adults, whether to members of the same gender, opposite gender or both genders. When we think of the term "lesbian" we normally visualize a women who has been sexually attracted to (or involved with) another woman. But there are adults who do not fit this definition. They have never developed a sexual orientation towards other adults. Rather, they are sexually attracted to children. And often the gender of the child victim is immaterial. One researcher defines a "fixated child molesters" as any adult who is solely attracted to children. They also define the term "regressed child molester" as any adult who has developed a sexual orientation towards other adults, but is also attracted to children.

One study involved 175 male adults who had been convicted in Massachusetts of child sexual assault. They found that none of them were homosexuals; all of them would fit the description of a fixated child molester. They were sexually attracted only to children and not to other adults. 2 Another researcher studied sexually abused children seen in a hospital. Only 2 perpetrators (less than 1% of the total) were homosexuals (i.e. were attracted to same-sex adults).

From:
Aspects of homosexuality by researcher Gregory M. Herek at: http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/
Larry Burtoft, "Setting the record Straight: What Research Really Says About the Social Consequences of Homosexuality", Focus on the Family, Colorado Springs, CO, (1994), Page 64-67

BloodFart

scuse me while I take a stroll through reality, ill be back later.

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BloodFart

If your playing with a cock, your a flamer, just cuz the cock isnt 18, doesnt mean it's not officially a cock, your still a puffer.

The fag preists alone tapping alter boy ass makes this shit unwinnable for you.. what was it.. 1 in 25 preists.. oh wait, those boys wernt 18, technically they cant have cocks till 18.. the preists are hetrosexual.

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Centurion

The religous right spin continues: Gay men & Lesbian women are NOT born that way, they either are FORCED to become that way or CHOOSE to become gay.

So, if we follow your logic, then STRAIGHT men and women are produced the same way.

You just do not want to believe that gay men and women (who come from NON molested homes..the great majority) are born that way and do not CHOOSE to be that way do you? You just cannot handle anyone being "different" from you or the way you view life and must search desperately to find some sort of "evidence" that these people can change their orientation if they want to. Sad..so sad you have such a closed mind.

Centurion

The DEFINING word here being "NONCLINICAL"!
So, this is NOT a scientific/reliable study!!

BloodFart

So then that argument can be replaced with pedophiles, they're born that way.. i guess it's ok for them to run around fucking underage kids then.

Better not say no, just cause they're different from you.

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