The Ultimate Political Thread!!!

[alexg]

Originally posted by Nathan
I might be able to accept that it is ok to give you Land to develop your own Nation on to protect your people and the jewish culture. But do this on a peice of Land _EVERYONE_ can agree on, and stop invading Land in disputed regions... Whats the POINT in pissing of people by building houses in regions which many places beleive should be owned and governed by palestine? Do you just WANT to piss everyone off and cause more attacks? Because this is clearly what it looks like.

I think you should know also, that zionist jews were comming to Israel since the 30's and they learned to live even peacfully with the arabs here, and bought their lands (for money), so that contradicts your "stealing" theory... when Israel was established in 1948, everything was ready here. there were cities, hospitals, everything.....


really, I can understand you, because your lack of knowledge about the history of this place brings you to certein thoughts that are untrue. I suggest you read a little more about it, really. I'm not saying this to make you mad, but because this is really how I see it... and I want to say that you're one of the few people who has totally opposite thoughts about the whole Israeli issue then I do, and I can actually discuss it with you in a decent manner

[Nathan]

Originally posted by alexg


I think you should know also, that zionist jews were comming to Israel since the 30's and they learned to live even peacfully with the arabs here, and bought their lands (for money), so that contradicts your "stealing" theory... when Israel was established in 1948, everything was ready here. there were cities, hospitals, everything.....


really, I can understand you, because your lack of knowledge about the history of this place brings you to certein thoughts that are untrue. I suggest you read a little more about it, really. I'm not saying this to make you mad, but because this is really how I see it... and I want to say that you're one of the few people who has totally opposite thoughts about the whole Israeli issue then I do, and I can actually discuss it with you in a decent manner

I know that you came before 1948, Britain had the land for ages as far as I remember and gave it to you in or around 1920 to settle there. But in the agreement it was said that non-jews should be able to STILL LIVE THERE. You _OBVIOUSLY_ are not allowing this anymore. You might have bought land there in the beginning, but that does not make it YOUR STATE. If I go to the US and buy a forst, can I make it Nathan-Land? No, I can't, I would have to start a war to make it that, and you did that, you can't really say you didn't can you? You started a war to get what YOU think was yours, and the UN was stupid enough to just ok it and give it to you. You then basically said "fuck the rest, the UN said its ok" and just ignored the Balfour Declartion which states:

His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

You notice the "nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine"?! Now of course, you are starting legal-babbel shit explaining why the settlements are legal by claiming that the above actually means that the declaration says you own it and the non-jews do not just because it says "establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people" as if that means you OWN friggin Palestine. Can you please explain to me how the above means that? It just says that you may settle in the land since it should be your national home, but that it does not mean you can just take away from the people already there.

The fact that Jordan and Egypt conquered parts of that territory just shows that they did not agree with the way you handled it after the british left.

Sorry, but I might not know everything about Israel's history, but I know this: you fucked it up for yourself by being a bully in the Arab region. Whether it was once yours or not, when you GOT it it was _NOT YOURS TO HAVE_, you conquered it and are now pissed that the Arabs are pissed at you, what the HECK did you expect?! That they love you for taking their land?

[alexg]

Originally posted by Nathan


I know that you came before 1948, Britain had the land for ages as far as I remember and gave it to you in or around 1920 to settle there. But in the agreement it was said that non-jews should be able to STILL LIVE THERE. You _OBVIOUSLY_ are not allowing this anymore. You might have bought land there in the beginning, but that does not make it YOUR STATE. If I go to the US and buy a forst, can I make it Nathan-Land? No, I can't, I would have to start a war to make it that, and you did that, you can't really say you didn't can you? You started a war to get what YOU think was yours, and the UN was stupid enough to just ok it and give it to you. You then basically said "fuck the rest, the UN said its ok" and just ignored the Balfour Declartion which states:

His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

You notice the "nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine"?! Now of course, you are starting legal-babbel shit explaining why the settlements are legal by claiming that the above actually means that the declaration says you own it and the non-jews do not just because it says "establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people" as if that means you OWN friggin Palestine. Can you please explain to me how the above means that? It just says that you may settle in the land since it should be your national home, but that it does not mean you can just take away from the people already there.

The fact that Jordan and Egypt conquered parts of that territory just shows that they did not agree with the way you handled it after the british left.

Sorry, but I might not know everything about Israel's history, but I know this: you fucked it up for yourself by being a bully in the Arab region. Whether it was once yours or not, when you GOT it it was _NOT YOURS TO HAVE_, you conquered it and are now pissed that the Arabs are pissed at you, what the HECK did you expect?! That they love you for taking their land?

ok,
your first mistake: out of around 6 million citizens, around 1.5 million are muslims, palestinian arabs, who have Israeli citizenship. that's a lot of non-jews. and they enjoy full rights just like every jewish citizen, as it should be done in a democratic state.

your second mistake: Israel did not start a war. The UN said that a certein part of the land would be given to Israel, and another part (the bigger part) woud be given to the palestinians. The palestinians didn't accept this decision, and with the help of arab countries around Israel (Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon) started a war on Israel in 1948. Israel won the war.

[Mr.Fiction]

Kerry is a better choice for Americans and for Israelis than Bush in 2004.

[alexg]

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
Kerry is a better choice for Americans and for Israelis than Bush in 2004.

maybe, I must admit, I don't know much about him

[alexg]

Originally posted by alexg


maybe, I must admit, I don't know much about him

except that he has jewish roots, and a few of his family members died in the holocaust

[Odin88]

Originally posted by alexg


how about the holocaust? 6,000,000 jews who died in the concentration camps are not a real right to establish a jewish land?

How about the 10's and 100's of millions of European peoples who have died for their respective nations, for them to be taken over freely by droves of Arabs and Blacks?

[Mr.Fiction]

Originally posted by alexg


except that he has jewish roots, and a few of his family members died in the holocaust

While Bush's family profited from the holocaust:

Newsweek Polska, the magazine?s Polish edition, published a short piece on the ?Bush Nazi past? in its March 5, 2003 edition. The item reported that ?the Bush family reaped rewards from the forced-labor prisoners in the Auschwitz concentration camp,? according to a copyrighted English-language translation from Scoop Media (www.scoop.co.nz). The story also reported the seizure of the various Bush-Harriman-Thyssen businesses.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0306/S00055.htm