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SomeCreep · 03-02-2004, 11:46 PM

150 thumbs down for PIBCash

Tam · 03-02-2004, 11:50 PM

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Originally posted by RainMailer
Tam
Whats your opinion on his sidekick K-Rock? Is this Rod or was there really a guy named K-Rock?

K-rock was NOT Rodney... I had his phone number and I looke dhim up myself..... I am NOT 100% sure of exactly who heis as in nicks and such, but I DO know it wasn't Rodney. He was hired AFTER I was fired....... from what I was TOLD, Rodney hired 4 people to replace me....... if that isn't one hell of a note of my ability and all I did for that company, then I don't know what was.

LMAO

SleazyDream · 03-02-2004, 11:50 PM

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Originally posted by Tam

.......I was not allowed to talk to Aaron and was told to stay away from him....... he was doing nothing but causing problems he said.

Well, Rodney was right there......... lol

AaronM · 03-02-2004, 11:50 PM

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Originally posted by IPK

stop hiding behind that nick.

No shit.

Jimbo · 03-02-2004, 11:51 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

Well, Rodney was right there......... lol

no doubt

Tam · 03-02-2004, 11:52 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

Well, Rodney was right there......... lol

Yeah but look what happened..... as a result of not being able to hang with Aaron, I got to spend an entire evening with YOU.....

Pornkings · 03-02-2004, 11:53 PM

Tam why didn't you come say hi to me at the Jan. show

SleazyDream · 03-02-2004, 11:53 PM

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Originally posted by Tam

Yeah but look what happened..... as a result of not being able to hang with Aaron, I got to spend an entire evening with YOU.....

- Jesus Christ - · 03-02-2004, 11:55 PM

Tev · 03-02-2004, 11:56 PM

Too late for Rodney to do a lot of things now.

I wonder if we will even see an attempt at a spin on this from him.

RainMailer · 03-02-2004, 11:56 PM

Aaron I have some interesting info you may want to know about. I am gonna hang here a bit longer if you want to msg me about this.

Tam · 03-02-2004, 11:58 PM

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Originally posted by Pornkings
Tam why didn't you come say hi to me at the Jan. show

I started over there a few times and was pulled away, once literally..... not in a mean way, just pulled away to talk to "someone else"....... I told him I wanted to meet and talk to you and I DID manage to get me a fucking shirt..... LMAO

Seriously though, what was said to me was "fuck him, he is a wannabe and he ain't anyone I will ever do business with"..... and "Look at him sitting there, he looks like a fucking pimp, what an asshole". SO I never got to meet you and I was upset about that one.

integrated · 03-02-2004, 11:58 PM

trial by media

he is already guilty in many ppls eyes

and if this does indeed turn out to be false accusations it can be considered LIBEL

Jellybeen · 03-02-2004, 11:59 PM

Aaron I'm glad you're finally in a position to say something and go on with other projects.
Still, it would have been nice months ago if you had said *anything* positive about everyone's reactions to those screencaps. Your comments at the time in the face of such blatant shaving made YOU look bad, as if you were condoning the act and trying to cover for the shaving that was being done to affiliates sending traffic to ToniFreeland.
It really, really made you look untrustworthy and I'm glad you're coming out now to clear things up.

to Tam - we knew those screencaps were real all along hon, it was obvious. The ones trying to trash you and trash the screencaps evidently had a vested interest in doing so. Many more of us knew better.
You rock!! ;)

Pornkings · 03-03-2004, 12:00 AM

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Originally posted by Tam

I started over there a few times and was pulled away, once literally..... not in a mean way, just pulled away to talk to "someone else"....... I told him I wanted to meet and talk to you and I DID manage to get me a fucking shirt..... LMAO

Seriously though, what was said to me was "fuck him, he is a wannabe and he ain't anyone I will ever do business with"..... and "Look at him sitting there, he looks like a fucking pimp, what an asshole". SO I never got to meet you and I was upset about that one.

Damn he really said that. LMAO

at least he got the Pimp part right

vicki · 03-03-2004, 12:00 AM

Aaron, GOOD MOVE!
wishing you a smackdown victory

Tam

Baxter · 03-03-2004, 12:01 AM

Go Get Them Aaron

SleazyDream · 03-03-2004, 12:02 AM

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Originally posted by Tam

Yeah but look what happened..... as a result of not being able to hang with Aaron, I got to spend an entire evening with YOU.....

actually it's rare i don't end up at the same places as AaronM at conventions......

SomeCreep · 03-03-2004, 12:02 AM

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Originally posted by - Jesus Christ -

Tam · 03-03-2004, 12:03 AM

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Originally posted by integrated
trial by media

he is already guilty in many ppls eyes

and if this does indeed turn out to be false accusations it can be considered LIBEL

I believe it isn't libel if it is true and facts, right? EVERYTHING I Have said has been documented as what Aaron has said has been documented......... and all if it is provable and fact.... so I am not sure where libel falls into this.

Pornkings... hell yes he said that... and then when I started to go BACK another time........ *I* was out of your league... well I am sorry but NO ONE is out of my leaque and I am not afraid to approach ANYONE about anything........ think I have more than proven that over the last 5 years..... LMAO

Honeyslut · 03-03-2004, 12:06 AM

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Originally posted by integrated
trial by media

he is already guilty in many ppls eyes

and if this does indeed turn out to be false accusations it can be considered LIBEL

Since libel is your word of the day for today, what's it going to be for tomorrow !

Tam · 03-03-2004, 12:07 AM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

actually it's rare i don't end up at the same places as AaronM at conventions......

Well you weren't THAT night, you was my bitch that night.. LMAO

AaronM · 03-03-2004, 12:07 AM

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Originally posted by Jellybeen
Aaron I'm glad you're finally in a position to say something and go on with other projects.
Still, it would have been nice months ago if you had said *anything* positive about everyone's reactions to those screencaps. Your comments at the time in the face of such blatant shaving made YOU look bad, as if you were condoning the act and trying to cover for the shaving that was being done to affiliates sending traffic to ToniFreeland.
It really, really made you look untrustworthy and I'm glad you're coming out now to clear things up.

FYI...More harm can be done off these boards than on it. Off the boards, I was able to speak to those that I trusted. Some of PIBCash's top affiliates knew the full story 3 months before it publicly broke out. To this day they are still sending sales. Not that they have been properly compensated though. It's also fairly amazing how their sales doubled after the shaving scandle even though their traffic remained about the same.

quiet · 03-03-2004, 12:09 AM

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Originally posted by Honeyslut

Since libel is your word of the day for today, what's it going to be for tomorrow !

i think that's his word every day ;)

JulianSosa · 03-03-2004, 12:09 AM

Im confused how did Tams 5 sites make 50% of $2300 over 5 months?

exitmoney · 03-03-2004, 12:10 AM

Way to go Aaron, and wish you all the best and luck. Is time to clean the damn biz of all the scams going on .

Honeyslut · 03-03-2004, 12:11 AM

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Originally posted by quiet

i think that's his word every day ;)

I think orgasm would make a nice word of the day !

AaronM · 03-03-2004, 12:11 AM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

actually it's rare i don't end up at the same places as AaronM at conventions......

We are practicly joined at the hip....Unless Sleazy is too hung over to come out and play. But even then...He is puking in my suitcases and so forth.

Love ya buddy.

Tam · 03-03-2004, 12:12 AM

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Originally posted by JulianSosa
Im confused how did Tams 5 sites make 50% of $2300 over 5 months?

THAT is what was owed to me at the time I was fired. He had paid me some of it, but when I was fired, I wanted the rest of my money........ my sites made A LOT more than that. LOL

The deal was, I had them with him and we shared the profits from them 50/50 AFTER webmasters were paid.... and after the webmasters were paid, MY share was over $4k....... what was left owed to me when I left was $2300..... which I FINALLY got.

I was offered a buyout on my sites and I refused the amount I was offered, so when I left, I took them with me. I paid for them...... design, content, hosting and all, and I took them with me and started my new program with them........ THANK GOD I never put them on his server.... I kept them on mine.

Tam · 03-03-2004, 12:15 AM

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Originally posted by Jellybeen
Aaron I'm glad you're finally in a position to say something and go on with other projects.
Still, it would have been nice months ago if you had said *anything* positive about everyone's reactions to those screencaps. Your comments at the time in the face of such blatant shaving made YOU look bad, as if you were condoning the act and trying to cover for the shaving that was being done to affiliates sending traffic to ToniFreeland.
It really, really made you look untrustworthy and I'm glad you're coming out now to clear things up.

to Tam - we knew those screencaps were real all along hon, it was obvious. The ones trying to trash you and trash the screencaps evidently had a vested interest in doing so. Many more of us knew better.
You rock!! ;)

Thanks babe...... your support means a lot to me.

And please don't think ill of Aaron...... he had a LOT more at stake than I ever had...... LUCKILY I was able to walk with my sites or I would have been in the same position he was in....... legal messes don't get fixed overnight. BUT I can assure you, the INSTANT he knew what was going on, he did take care of it.... he at NO point was ever misleading to anyone....... and I can honestly say this. NO ONE had access to what I had access to, and once I found out, that's when I became the company troublemaker..... imagine that. LMAO

AaronM · 03-03-2004, 12:16 AM

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Originally posted by Tam
I was offered a buyout on my sites and I refused the amount I was offered

Funny...I too was offered an insulting buy out figure.

Jellybeen · 03-03-2004, 12:19 AM

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Originally posted by AaronM
To this day they are still sending sales. Not that they have been properly compensated though. It's also fairly amazing how their sales doubled after the shaving scandle even though their traffic remained about the same.

Talk about taking a risk. Crazy.

Tam · 03-03-2004, 12:20 AM

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Originally posted by AaronM

Funny...I too was offered an insulting buy out figure.

Yeah I bet, I know what was offered for mine and THAT was insulting enough.... my god, I can only imagine how bad yours was. LOL

AaronM · 03-03-2004, 12:29 AM

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Originally posted by Tam

Yeah I bet, I know what was offered for mine and THAT was insulting enough.... my god, I can only imagine how bad yours was. LOL

6 grand

Do you have any clue what this content is worth?

JulianSosa · 03-03-2004, 12:36 AM

Good luck to all involved.

Im still confused about all the low numbers.

AaronM · 03-03-2004, 12:40 AM

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Originally posted by JulianSosa
Good luck to all involved.

Im still confused about all the low numbers.

Well then....There's nothing like keeping a good drama thread on top by asking and answering questions.

Care to be more specific?

Raven · 03-03-2004, 12:41 AM

There are two people here, Aaron, who have your back. Always.

Rodney. If you're smart, you'll do right by Aaron.

In all my years on the Internet, Rodney, I am known for not breaking confidences or speaking about a client's program.

In your case, I am willing to make an exception.

You have done Aaron wrong. Make it right.

integrated · 03-03-2004, 12:42 AM

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Originally posted by Raven
There are two people here, Aaron, who have your back. Always.

Rodney. If you're smart, you'll do right by Aaron.

In all my years on the Internet, Rodney, I am known for not breaking confidences or speaking about a client's program.

In your case, I am willing to make an exception.

You have done Aaron wrong. Make it right.

that was deep

Tam · 03-03-2004, 12:48 AM

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Originally posted by AaronM

6 grand

Do you have any clue what this content is worth?

GOOD GOD, that's even worse than the $300 each I was offered for mine..... LORD!!

He DID manage to buy one of his "partners" out and I TRIED to tell that one what had happened, but that one refused to believe me even AFTER I faxed him copies of what I had...... it was told to him that I made it up..... YEAH.... umm right. THIS person continued to trash me and my husband at every turn for awhile, but haven't heard from that one...... maybe they finally woke up?

makefuckingmoney · 03-03-2004, 12:49 AM

Well after sifting thru some of this....

If you were him, and his reputation, and DEAD program. Would you pay out still?

I mean look at perfection girls..he backpeddled like mad and now the sites are "sold" to someone else.

I wouldnt expect checks from someone that is dead in the water..

He will be back in about 2 months.. as someone else..

And for anyone still promoting his program, after the numerous screen shots etc of shaving...WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU??

AaronM · 03-03-2004, 12:50 AM

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Originally posted by integrated

that was deep

Considering who it is comming from...Yes, it was.

Thanks for your kind words Raven.

JulianSosa · 03-03-2004, 12:52 AM

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Originally posted by AaronM

Well then....There's nothing like keeping a good drama thread on top by asking and answering questions.

Care to be more specific?

Tams $4000 for 5 sites over 5 months at her 50% afer affiliates.

I mean Im all for lots of little sites making a few bucks a day but this seems real low.

Edit I mean no disrespect to Tam in this statement.

AaronM · 03-03-2004, 12:54 AM

I am gonna go watch a movie now. I will be back to bump this thread later.

OH and hello Rodney. I know you too fucking well. You are sitting there reading this...Blaming me and cussing me out. Do yourself a favor for once. Accept the blame yourself. You brought this on and it is far from over.

Remember when you told time what an idiot you thought I was?

Remember that when you are having difficulty sleeping tonight.

JulianSosa · 03-03-2004, 12:55 AM

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Originally posted by AaronM
I am gonna go watch a movie now. I will be back to bump this thread later.

OH and hello Rodney. I know you too fucking well. You are sitting there reading this...Blaming me and cussing me out. Do yourself a favor for once. Accept the blame yourself. You brought this on and it is far from over.

Remember when you told time what an idiot you thought I was?

Remember that when you are having difficulty sleeping tonight.

What movie?

VeriSexy · 03-03-2004, 12:57 AM

Good luck

Bump for AaronM

toddler · 03-03-2004, 01:00 AM

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Originally posted by AaronM
I am gonna go watch a movie now. I will be back to bump this thread later.

OH and hello Rodney. I know you too fucking well. You are sitting there reading this...Blaming me and cussing me out. Do yourself a favor for once. Accept the blame yourself. You brought this on and it is far from over.

Remember when you told time what an idiot you thought I was?

Remember that when you are having difficulty sleeping tonight.

Good style.

AaronM · 03-03-2004, 01:01 AM

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Originally posted by JulianSosa

Tams $4000 for 5 sites over 5 months at her 50% afer affiliates.

I mean Im all for lots of little sites making a few bucks a day but this seems real low.

Edit I mean no disrespect to Tam in this statement.

It is really low. No offense meant to Tam but the majority of the sites under PIBCash did not make shit becaue Rodney would not market them correctly.

psyko514 · 03-03-2004, 01:02 AM

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Originally posted by JulianSosa

Tams $4000 for 5 sites over 5 months at her 50% afer affiliates.

I mean Im all for lots of little sites making a few bucks a day but this seems real low.

Edit I mean no disrespect to Tam in this statement.

Say the membership to the sites was $20. 60% to affiliates, ~12% to the processor. Leaves 28% split between both of them. $2.80 per sale. That's over 1400 sales. About 285 per site. PIB Cash wasn't a huge program AFAIK.

If you look at the <a href=http://www.hotchickpost.com/fullscreenie.jpg>stats screenshot</a>, you'll see the top affiliate only made 333 sales in a 3 month period.

My numbers are probably way off, but you can do the math.

psyko514 · 03-03-2004, 01:03 AM

Funny stuff.

nojob · 03-03-2004, 01:04 AM

your right there is alot of dram on this board.

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Jellybeen Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 86	Aaron I'm glad you're finally in a position to say something and go on with other projects. Still, it would have been nice months ago if you had said anything positive about everyone's reactions to those screencaps. Your comments at the time in the face of such blatant shaving made YOU look bad, as if you were condoning the act and trying to cover for the shaving that was being done to affiliates sending traffic to ToniFreeland. It really, really made you look untrustworthy and I'm glad you're coming out now to clear things up. to Tam - we knew those screencaps were real all along hon, it was obvious. The ones trying to trash you and trash the screencaps evidently had a vested interest in doing so. Many more of us knew better. You rock!! ;)

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