In Canada, if you want to stop a payment on your chequing account there is a fee of about $ 20.00 + you have to go to the branch and sign 'legal documents' - if you are charging back (saying you didn't authorize it) the bank will suggest you close your account to prevent fraud + they'll ask how the hell the company got your data. It's a little more of a hassle to do that.

As for the credit cards - do they debit your account automatically and is it for the full amount of your statement? In North America, most credit cards allow you to carry forward your balance and allow you to pay 5% of your total as a minimum payment.

The old American Express (which are still in existance) have to be paid in full at every statement.

If your paysite is going to be somewhat in the natural/big boobs/busty amateur niche, make sure you get that German billing worked out! Those people LOVE natural breasts:thumbsup

heheh....no, far from that....but maybe it'll be the next one :-) Thanks!

Ooopppsssss double-whammy :)

Some interesting points from EscortBiz


Slinx' thread

Some people are suggesting it takes about 100k to start up a paysite.....others are saying 30-40k.

Is that the kind of figures you started off with spending?

In Europe - especially in Germany - it is just the other way round. The webmaster has to pay the fee to the bank if the customer refuses the billing. Of course it´s a crime if the customer does this without a good reason, but try to get your money from a german court while you are living in canada. This difficulty you´ll have to see before making a decision.

Feel free to contact me on ICQ 154723327

Well, I'm sure with the processors, there must be a fee too - but just to show you that there is a deterrent for someone to refuse a payment.

If the payment is NSF or insufficient funds, then you'd get charged anyway, right?

I've added you to my 'Helpful GFYers' ICQ list :) Thanks!

I´ve done payment in Europe for some time. if you have any questions, feel free to ask. By the way, I´m just deciding to set up an own paysite, too. So your thread was very helpful.

When you say you've done payment - you've used it for other types of sites?

What I think I would need to know is which processor is specialized in online transactions for the European market? Does anyone have stats on what Europeans prefer to use as payment options? Which processor has been in business forever and seems like they will be forever more? ;-)

Great stuff if you are starting your own paysite!! Are you opting for the 40k or 100k investment? Or will you lay low and keep startup costs to a fair minimum?

I'm glad this isn't only helping me - I'm sure others are being helped too :)

The processor seems like a good resource do they help with affiliate fraud.

Like things to look for etc?

Do you hunt for misuse of your exclusive material to protect copyright?

Spam friendly host so that if you get an affiliate with zero brain cells, you don't get closed down?

I would need to be a mailer to take advantage of my lists right? People who filled out form, declines, cancelled etc?

Crosssales - are they dead yet? I would sell them and then I would also take them I suppose. That has to increase my chargeback issue right?

so true, i was thinking about opening paysite too, but have to wait till i estabilish some my big traffic sources.

Trixxxia,

Thanks for this thread.

Hey, nothing to thank about......if I have questions I'm sure others do too. Had I added *TITS* or (PIC) to the title - they'd be all over the place.

Do you think I should post some pics of content? Maybe that'll get'em?? kidding.

Anyhow, great questions - slapass!!

teomaxxx - I think it's a good way of knowing how well your traffic converts too. We're two people full-time here which is basically about 20 hours a day - one will concentrate on the new site and the other will continue what we've been doing for the past 4 years. Learn while you work....experience is so much more valuable :)

See, I don't agree with the 100k to open a site for us - 1) I'd have an anxiety attack with every breath I took 2) If it shows signs of failure - it's a lot of money to loose 3) Are there really people who invested that kind of money to open up a small paysite? I don't want to compete with Adult.com or some of the bigger fish..... Maybe I didn't research enough of the small guys I spoke to are liars......but I don't think so. I've even seen some of their sites......they work well and there isn't 50k worth of content in there.

Maybe I dream in Technicolor even on Saturdays?
:1orglaugh

i would avoid trial SU, even if you not run affilate programms - not from my experience, but from experiences of all paysite owners i know (only few). Everyone said me, that without trials they made more money.
And you can run in your site some kind of TGP with only freehosted galls from sponsors giving you 30/35usd pay per SU .

I was thinking that trials weren't going to do it for me either.
I guess the free hosted galleries thing is not such a bad idea, however, it also means that you may very well lose your surfer after that. Mind you, nobody says they would stay with you forever either.

Nope. But they've been promising one any day now for the last six months or so.

I like them - the only trouble I've had with them is once they paid me *too much* by several hundred euros. :thumbsup

They were cool about it, and were happy to get their money back out of subsequent months' revenue.

What is your icq?

yes, you are true.
i think that 30/35usd per leaving members is enough and better then some shady cross sale :-)
On the other side there are site like bangthumbs.com(provided an run in banbus site), which even use normall galleries, but thats not probably the best way.

Mistake don't start a PPS if you do not have the money to back it up, go with 50/50........... My friend just opened a teen movie site and it is doing well with 50/50 and a ton of movie content

Afternoon. :)

Well, I could live with someone overpaying me, cuz I know I'd send it back - it's the ones short-changing me that I can't seem to digest :)

Cool....about them opening up an English version - Maybe a call will find someone who speaks english?

Sorry for my long absence.....was trying to figure out how to curve a picture in Photoshop......what a waste - thank God I found batdelfuego online to give me a simple secret!!!!!! hehehe

Anyhow - 9.3.0.8.6.5.8.6.

True......I don't think a $ 35.00 parting fee is so bad.....I'd rather have that than nothing.

Inet - Cash is just half an our away from my office. Their work is very well and the billing sites are available in english and you can choose payment in $. The only thing is their webmaster sites are in german only.

But there are at least two billing companies you should have a look to.

if you want to see a trial, hit me up on icq.

cosis...no no no......I'd never do that......even the big guys are having trouble to keep that 'alive' - mind you....if I'd have an affiliate program and an affiliate has the same targetted type of traffic for about 6-8 months, I've been talking to the person, have picked their brains a little, felt their sense of integrity, then and only then may I be inclined to say that it may be an option if there traffic on average renews for about 3-4 months. Like pussyluver said on an earlier post......know who you are doing business with - it's safe to think that everyone has another goal in mind and that's to make themselves money - they aren't worrying about you :-)

Probally getting "own3d" is 1 of them.

FAC......sorry I missed your arrival (stepped away from comp)
Bonjour.....Buongiorno....Buenas Dias......did you just wake up?
I kept you up long enough with the questions :)

Getting own3d by whom? The affiliates - with a pps?

Avoid opening a paysite unless you have $20,000 minimum to invest in it.

1500

i think u need a good amount of money and a forecast of acceptable loss before u turn a profit.

Had a long long night.

Brisk....thanks for your input :)
Could you break down how you'd spend your investment?
What percentages would you allocate to each item?

you and I are in the same boat of thinking :thumbsup

Chowda.....that 1500 was supposed to be 150 for the post? hehehe Sure I think that it's wise to have the resources and the patience along with the resistance to not cop out because it's not profitable quick enough.

I figured that much! :)

nope 1500 :)

i dont know what is a good amount of time for paysites.. but i would forecast around 4-6 months.

where we at now?

That's what I'm figuring too. Hopefully sooner...

Let's see:

Foreign traffic preferences in billing options?
Who's been around in the European billing long enough to trust that they'll be there for much longer?
How much do you really need to start off? 40k 100k?
Whatever your response - break it down with what you'd do with it, where would you allocate it?
PPS/50-50/40-60 - What's the pros and cons? (some were mentioned)

Ok.....will go back through the threads you've missed to get the other points....BRB