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RedShoe · 02-27-2004, 05:26 PM

Never be the 50th poster in a thread.

HS-Trixxxia · 02-27-2004, 05:27 PM

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Originally posted by RedShoe
Never be the 50th poster in a thread.

Haha....shit I was just going to do that and finally say 50! and get it right.....ah well you fucked my plan....shit la merde!

Anna_O · 02-27-2004, 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by RedShoe
Never be the 50th poster in a thread.

Is it good to be #52 then?

HS-Trixxxia · 02-27-2004, 05:30 PM

Well we have proof that any post is good....even if it's just a

Eventually they pay off

freeadultcontent · 02-27-2004, 05:41 PM

Odds are you will end up with a camera out of this so now you can fix that custom content issue.

HS-Trixxxia · 02-27-2004, 05:42 PM

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Originally posted by freeadultcontent
Odds are you will end up with a camera out of this so now you can fix that custom content issue.

I'll end up with a camera? How so?

HS-Trixxxia · 02-27-2004, 05:44 PM

BTW, I'm sure others have a shitload of questions that I'm really not thinking of right now.

We have people nice enough to answer the questions (and not being offensive) how about asking some?

Trax · 02-27-2004, 05:49 PM

i think when opening a paysite you need to be able to send at least 5-10 signups a day on your own
do the math what a waste it would be if you cannot generate a decent number yourself

and starting out with an affiliate program from day 1 is just stupid
you are not experienced enough to do that.

promote it on your own and start learning how it works

hope this helps you

its a little thank you for the dmoz help you offered me hehe

freeadultcontent · 02-27-2004, 06:10 PM

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Originally posted by Trixxxia

I'll end up with a camera? How so?

If you get thread of the day you get one. My bets say you will get it.

freeadultcontent · 02-27-2004, 06:11 PM

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Originally posted by Trixxxia
BTW, I'm sure others have a shitload of questions that I'm really not thinking of right now.

We have people nice enough to answer the questions (and not being offensive) how about asking some?

I know enough to know I do not know enough so please everyone take my thoughts as mere opinions tested by myself with my own products.

tayloryum · 02-27-2004, 06:12 PM

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Originally posted by Trixxxia

Who would you recommend?

i used to use IBILL when i had a paysite years ago, and i don't have one anymore, so i can't recommend anyone. i'm sure someone here can.

freeadultcontent · 02-27-2004, 06:15 PM

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Originally posted by Trax
i think when opening a paysite you need to be able to send at least 5-10 signups a day on your own
do the math what a waste it would be if you cannot generate a decent number yourself

and starting out with an affiliate program from day 1 is just stupid
you are not experienced enough to do that.

promote it on your own and start learning how it works

hope this helps you
its a little thank you for the dmoz help you offered me hehe

I do not know if you "need" 5-10 a day or are you talking trials?

If I sent 10 a week at 30.00 each thats nearly 300.00 a week not counting rebills, (1200.00 a month) which may not be bad for someone looking to supplement their income.

Do limit promotion to yourself and maybe a few friends to work out the kinks instead of jumping into the affiliate arena.

HS-Trixxxia · 02-27-2004, 06:17 PM

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Originally posted by freeadultcontent

I know enough to know I do not know enough so please everyone take my thoughts as mere opinions tested by myself with my own products.

FAC.....nobody's going to take your word to the bank.....help & advice is all we're asking for and thankfully, you're obliging.

I doubt it'll win thread of the day......there are a few posts regarding the big-sig sale

Actually - experience is good enough for me. Theory doesn't work well on the marketplace - people don't always react as the textbooks say.

Another question - is it wise to get 900 billing? & Do you think a secondary processor is a good idea?

HS-Trixxxia · 02-27-2004, 06:21 PM

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Originally posted by Trax
i think when opening a paysite you need to be able to send at least 5-10 signups a day on your own
do the math what a waste it would be if you cannot generate a decent number yourself

and starting out with an affiliate program from day 1 is just stupid
you are not experienced enough to do that.

promote it on your own and start learning how it works

hope this helps you
its a little thank you for the dmoz help you offered me hehe

I agree that I should test it with my traffic. It's the traffic I know - and I think the signups won't be a problem - I hope!

As for the DMOZ help - you asked for help....you got it. As long as you don't ask for listings - it's all good. :-))

freeadultcontent · 02-27-2004, 06:21 PM

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Originally posted by Trixxxia
Another question - is it wise to get 900 billing? & Do you think a secondary processor is a good idea?

900 billing is alot like check billing. True you will get alot of returns or uncollected and it may cost you a little in bandwidth. Yet if you do not accept it your just leaving money sitting on the table.

Well a backup is good. I personally do not like cascading though.

HS-Trixxxia · 02-27-2004, 06:24 PM

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Originally posted by freeadultcontent

I do not know if you "need" 5-10 a day or are you talking trials?

If I sent 10 a week at 30.00 each thats nearly 300.00 a week not counting rebills, (1200.00 a month) which may not be bad for someone looking to supplement their income.

Do limit promotion to yourself and maybe a few friends to work out the kinks instead of jumping into the affiliate arena.

FAC, as long as it pays it's own bills, grows in a stable fashion, surfers are happy and recurring, I'll be happy with that. If I don't forget anything or have taken care of all ends possible beforehand, it should grow. I'm just worried that something out of nowhere pops up that I hadn't taken into consideration beforehand.

Time will tell I guess.

HS-Trixxxia · 02-27-2004, 06:27 PM

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Originally posted by freeadultcontent

900 billing is alot like check billing. True you will get alot of returns or uncollected and it may cost you a little in bandwidth. Yet if you do not accept it your just leaving money sitting on the table.

Well a backup is good. I personally do not like cascading though.

I think I should get that. I remember at one point EscortBiz had found a way for them not to fuck you over. I wonder if it's still that way and if he is going to put that out on the market.

Do you know if Europeans mind the USD billing? Do they prefer other methods of payment?

EDIT: FAC, sorry if I'm drilling you.....any time you want to stop, let me know......hopefully someone else will take some of the pressure off ya! Thanks, it's appreciated!

freeadultcontent · 02-27-2004, 06:42 PM

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Originally posted by Trixxxia
Do you know if Europeans mind the USD billing? Do they prefer other methods of payment?

EDIT: FAC, sorry if I'm drilling you.....any time you want to stop, let me know......hopefully someone else will take some of the pressure off ya! Thanks, it's appreciated!

Most for me have not said much and we have plenty of overseas members. I am sure other payment options would only help though. I know I been fiddling with the ccbill dialer now for a bit, figured why not.

Dont worry about asking questions. Its more fun than just being sarcastic in threads (which I am going to go do some more of now while you prep a few more).

HS-Trixxxia · 02-27-2004, 06:56 PM

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Originally posted by freeadultcontent

Most for me have not said much and we have plenty of overseas members. I am sure other payment options would only help though. I know I been fiddling with the ccbill dialer now for a bit, figured why not.

Are you seeing better results? All US customers though, right?

How about processing companies, what has to be ready for them when they come to see it for compliance? The legal stuff, do they recommend it or do you need to get your lawyer to set that up for you first? The entire site has to be behind password protection or do they provide that for you?

freeadultcontent · 02-27-2004, 07:00 PM

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Originally posted by Trixxxia

Are you seeing better results? All US customers though, right?

How about processing companies, what has to be ready for them when they come to see it for compliance? The legal stuff, do they recommend it or do you need to get your lawyer to set that up for you first? The entire site has to be behind password protection or do they provide that for you?

Results are still out on dialer. We do already have a mix on non US members.

What needs to be ready (based on ccbill).
1. enough content to justify a members area.
2. title 18 info.
3. they password protect.

Lawyers are always a great idea.

HS-Trixxxia · 02-27-2004, 07:08 PM

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Originally posted by freeadultcontent

Results are still out on dialer. We do already have a mix on non US members.

What needs to be ready (based on ccbill).
1. enough content to justify a members area.
2. title 18 info.
3. they password protect.

Lawyers are always a great idea.

What amount is considered enough content to justify a members area?

wyldblyss · 02-27-2004, 07:13 PM

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Originally posted by stev0
is custom content really all that important? i would think non-exclusive would work just as well, as long as it's not been spread around too much.

If money is tight I would go for a mixture. If it non-exclusive you have to make sure the quality is top-notch. None of the bargain basement 200,000 pics for $4.99 shit LOL

freeadultcontent · 02-27-2004, 07:16 PM

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Originally posted by Trixxxia

What amount is considered enough content to justify a members area?

A shockingly low amount, actually it is very sick. I would never try to start anything on the lower end of the spectrum, though I am sure it hovers near what could pass on an AVS site.

VeriSexy · 02-27-2004, 07:25 PM

Biggest mistake is to pay too much for hosting and signing long contracts

HS-Trixxxia · 02-27-2004, 07:27 PM

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Originally posted by freeadultcontent

A shockingly low amount, actually it is very sick. I would never try to start anything on the lower end of the spectrum, though I am sure it hovers near what could pass on an AVS site.

Actually, I've looked at a few sites 'new sites' lately and wasn't impressed with their content - or lack of.

Out of curiosity, do any of you recycle your content? After a year or so, or do you remove your updates? Anyone updating daily?

pussyluver · 02-27-2004, 07:30 PM

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Originally posted by Trixxxia
I'm really weary of getting affiliates right away so I'll really be working for myself - and I'm quite demanding.

How about hand picked affiliates! Talk to them on the phone! Know where they live! Get to know and trust them. Any doubts, skip 'em. That way you have some people pushing your site and you avoid the BS.

If I were one of your affiliates, I would have something to offer, that others didn't. that adds value to my site!

HS-Trixxxia · 02-27-2004, 07:30 PM

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Originally posted by VeriSexy
Biggest mistake is to pay too much for hosting and signing long contracts

What's considered a long contract? 1 Year? 2 Years?

Where the server is concerned, I think I'd be covered. I have great guys who have taken care of me since our initiation assfuck when we got in the biz 5 years ago. That was one fucking fiasco I'd never go through again!!

freeadultcontent · 02-27-2004, 07:31 PM

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Originally posted by Trixxxia

Actually, I've looked at a few sites 'new sites' lately and wasn't impressed with their content - or lack of.

Out of curiosity, do any of you recycle your content? After a year or so, or do you remove your updates? Anyone updating daily?

Once content goes up it stays up. I could use the script so that new members go through the old stuff first and get older updates ect, but see no reason in it. Maybe if I was doing cookie cutter front ends and redundant back ends I could understand the logic.

We working towards daily updates.

schiz · 02-27-2004, 07:31 PM

.htaccessing your front page ;)

pussyluver · 02-27-2004, 07:32 PM

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Originally posted by Trixxxia

What's considered a long contract? 1 Year? 2 Years?

Where the server is concerned, I think I'd be covered. I have great guys who have taken care of me since our initiation assfuck when we got in the biz 5 years ago. That was one fucking fiasco I'd never go through again!!

On hosting? Geeeeze, one month - been stung a time or two. Need a way out, incase something is wrong.

freeadultcontent · 02-27-2004, 07:32 PM

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Originally posted by Trixxxia

What's considered a long contract? 1 Year? 2 Years?

Where the server is concerned, I think I'd be covered. I have great guys who have taken care of me since our initiation assfuck when we got in the biz 5 years ago. That was one fucking fiasco I'd never go through again!!

I never sign contracts for hosting. Most quality hosts would let their product and support speak for itself in keeping you there.

HS-Trixxxia · 02-27-2004, 07:48 PM

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Originally posted by pussyluver

How about hand picked affiliates! Talk to them on the phone! Know where they live! Get to know and trust them. Any doubts, skip 'em. That way you have some people pushing your site and you avoid the BS.

If I were one of your affiliates, I would have something to offer, that others didn't. that adds value to my site!

pussyluver, I totally agree on that. As the times change, I'm more convinced that this anonymous internet world needs more personal interraction. I'm learning daily to think everyone is out to fuck the next one over, me included, so I better be a bitch-on-my-toes when I don't like the smell of anything and get out before I find something up my butt that I didn't want there. I'm pretty good at analysing someone when I know them 'personally' (face to face/over the phone) and in general I know that I figure out a crooks game way before it's brought to completion.

BTW pussy, I added you on icq, didn't get a confirmation that you added me.

HS-Trixxxia · 02-27-2004, 07:51 PM

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Originally posted by schiz
.htaccessing your front page ;)

You mean protect it? From hotlinking or what......sorry I didn't understand that.

As for password protection & hackers & such.....I was reading about Ray's script. I read a few testimonials......seems like it's good.

HS-Trixxxia · 02-27-2004, 07:56 PM

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Originally posted by pussyluver

On hosting? Geeeeze, one month - been stung a time or two. Need a way out, incase something is wrong.

Actually, pussyluver.....where I'm hosted now - when I was inquiring there wasn't a mention of a contract - then again, I've been with them for a few years so that could also be the reason. I can't rant and rave enough about these guys.

I know shit about a server and all the fancy footwork needed.......they always took care of me......I think I went down once in 4 years for about 20 minutes at the beginning and I believe it was a server change that didn't work rightaway.

For anyone who needs a host - www.swiftwill.com

powerbubba · 02-27-2004, 08:31 PM

This is a great thread. Things like this is why I joined GFY.

There were a couple of questions about billing that I don't think anyone answered.

We currently have ibill, and wish we had done ccbill instead. From another thread, apparently ccbill's affiliate program is far superior to ibill's. We are currently testing Verotel, mainly because it offers payment for non-US customers (dialers for example).

freeadultcontent · 02-27-2004, 08:37 PM

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Originally posted by powerbubba
This is a great thread. Things like this is why I joined GFY.

There were a couple of questions about billing that I don't think anyone answered.

We currently have ibill, and wish we had done ccbill instead. From another thread, apparently ccbill's affiliate program is far superior to ibill's. We are currently testing Verotel, mainly because it offers payment for non-US customers (dialers for example).

ccbill has visa, mastercard, discover, jcb, checks, 900 billing, dialers (via goodthinxx), and DRM billing.

Only thing not really covered is SMS billing.

Oh yeah and people that answer the phones promptly.

HS-Trixxxia · 02-27-2004, 08:48 PM

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Originally posted by powerbubba
This is a great thread. Things like this is why I joined GFY.

There were a couple of questions about billing that I don't think anyone answered.

We currently have ibill, and wish we had done ccbill instead. From another thread, apparently ccbill's affiliate program is far superior to ibill's. We are currently testing Verotel, mainly because it offers payment for non-US customers (dialers for example).

I'm wondering with all the Verotel posts lately if someone may be right ..... Actually there was also a thread about ccbill this week if I'm not mistaken. I know alot of my traffic will be European....with all the privacy laws in Europe, I'm wondering if that stops (more like deters some) to signing up with sites that are processed with US processors?

Also, the SMS billing sounds quite interesting.....would love to know someone who's already doing that....

As for IBill......well we didn't really have trouble with them & when everyone started complaining about them, our sponsors had already done the switch.

HS-Trixxxia · 02-27-2004, 08:49 PM

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Originally posted by freeadultcontent

Oh yeah and people that answer the phones promptly.

I wonder if a customer support call center for the porn sites would help retention and prevent chargebacks?

I think it's been done, just wondering if they have better retention or not.

freeadultcontent · 02-27-2004, 08:54 PM

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Originally posted by Trixxxia

I wonder if a customer support call center for the porn sites would help retention and prevent chargebacks?

I think it's been done, just wondering if they have better retention or not.

Unless you handle your own, everyone is fast with refunds which is still better than a chargeback.

Got 1 today, member for almost 4 months (quarterly signup) he waited until 2 days before his rebill and charged back the membership. Reason given not satisfied with content. Figure he could of figured that out in the first month or so.

HS-Trixxxia · 02-27-2004, 09:13 PM

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Originally posted by freeadultcontent

Unless you handle your own, everyone is fast with refunds which is still better than a chargeback.

Got 1 today, member for almost 4 months (quarterly signup) he waited until 2 days before his rebill and charged back the membership. Reason given not satisfied with content. Figure he could of figured that out in the first month or so.

His wife probably just found the bill of three months ago

Don't feel bad, quiet had a webmaster request a refund of 2 years worth, I believe.

freeadultcontent · 02-27-2004, 09:16 PM

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Originally posted by Trixxxia

His wife probably just found the bill of three months ago

Don't feel bad, quiet had a webmaster request a refund of 2 years worth, I believe.

I dont, its our first for the month.

HS-Trixxxia · 02-27-2004, 09:20 PM

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Originally posted by freeadultcontent

I dont, its our first for the month.

Cool......too bad he ruined an almost perfect 'no chargeback' month.

How often or common are chargebacks? (If you don't want to disclose --- what types of reasons do they chargeback for?)

Do the processors help you in any way to contest the chargeback? Say with proof he's downloaded a shitload of stuff for the past month or whatever?

Do you block their access after a certain amount of movie downloads?

freeadultcontent · 02-27-2004, 09:26 PM

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Originally posted by Trixxxia
How often or common are chargebacks? (If you don't want to disclose --- what types of reasons do they chargeback for?)

Do the processors help you in any way to contest the chargeback? Say with proof he's downloaded a shitload of stuff for the past month or whatever?

Do you block their access after a certain amount of movie downloads?

Not common, under .05%
Reasons: whatever you name it.
Help: they refund fast.
Block access: no that would piss off members.

HS-Trixxxia · 02-27-2004, 09:31 PM

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Originally posted by freeadultcontent

Not common, under .05%
Reasons: whatever you name it.
Help: they refund fast.
Block access: no that would piss off members.

for the chargebacks.
Too bad they refund too quick....
Cool for the blocking......I guess the password protection would prevent the double downloading from the buddies & what not.

Do you limit their access by IP?

BTW, isn't anyone else responding?

Doesn't anyone else have questions?

crescentx · 02-27-2004, 09:47 PM

My

Credit cards are alien to most of the world - < 25% of Europeans have them. It is paradoxical that somehow our profits and business in large part depend on them.

Those of us who have been in for awhile probably realize this -- but the big problem is the easiest market, the US market, has no viable alternative. We had PayPal, who owes me $2000, and IBill 900, who owes me $4776 for sales made in 2002. After what most of us went through with those two, trusting any alternative for US markets is difficult.

Those left standing in CC processing are scrubbing so hard they virtually ask for penis size to process a card.

Let me say outright, without detailing experiences - I will not trust US-based companies with processing. EU companies I have dealt with admit problems, sometimes before the problems happen. American companies, you don't get paid for a few weeks and have to ask.

CC is virtually dead as a viable option. Which to a large extent means the US market is dead because of it, and competing in EU markets is tough. Until the political situation here changes, this will be the case.

Many of those who post here go on "hope PayPal doesn't check on my transactions" mentality. If any US processors are left by November, I'll be surprised.

-doug

HS-Trixxxia · 02-27-2004, 09:55 PM

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Originally posted by crescentx
My

Credit cards are alien to most of the world - < 25% of Europeans have them. It is paradoxical that somehow our profits and business in large part depend on them.

Those of us who have been in for awhile probably realize this -- but the big problem is the easiest market, the US market, has no viable alternative. We had PayPal, who owes me $2000, and IBill 900, who owes me $4776 for sales made in 2002. After what most of us went through with those two, trusting any alternative for US markets is difficult.

Those left standing in CC processing are scrubbing so hard they virtually ask for penis size to process a card.

Let me say outright, without detailing experiences - I will not trust US-based companies with processing. EU companies I have dealt with admit problems, sometimes before the problems happen. American companies, you don't get paid for a few weeks and have to ask.

CC is virtually dead as a viable option. Which to a large extent means the US market is dead because of it, and competing in EU markets is tough. Until the political situation here changes, this will be the case.

Many of those who post here go on "hope PayPal doesn't check on my transactions" mentality. If any US processors are left by November, I'll be surprised.

-doug

Good post doug....thanks for that.

I agree that it's probably not the longterm solution, however like you said - the US market would be dead - starting off, I think we'd be stupid to shut that major door.

Out of the European processors, who do you recommend? Least problems? Fasted error correction? Payments - did you ever have to wait for your check or wire?

Winterverse · 02-27-2004, 09:59 PM

Sure I've got a question. Why do some paysites have streaming only? Streaming sucks ass

my

fuck streaming, stick to watermarked vids available for download with better than decent quality. Minimum of 2 pages, 12 hour maximum email support and bi daily updates. I run an AEN site right now very high rebills and I think the majority of the success is the member support, they email me and get a quick.. detailed and HUMAN response not that corporate bullshit you usually get. 60 extra seconds with a detailed response can make the difference between a cancellation and 3 months of rebilling.

HS-Trixxxia · 02-27-2004, 10:14 PM

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Originally posted by Winterverse
fuck streaming, stick to watermarked vids available for download with better than decent quality. Minimum of 2 pages, 12 hour maximum email support and bi daily updates.

As for the downloads what formats do you suggest?
Do you suggest clips & full movie availability?

By the "12 hour maximum email support and bi daily updates"
Sorry, there isn't any punctuation so I'm wondering what you mean by:

12 hour maximum? or is it 12 hour? what do you mean by 12 hour? 12 hours worth of downloadable movies?
maximum email support <------ I fully agree here, you'd be surprised how much more loyal people are when they feel see the human side of it - they're fed up of the indifference of the mainstream companies - knowing there is a human that doesn't consider them a number amongst the masses, goes a long way.

and bi daily updates <----- Bi-daily could mean twice a day or every two days....so I'm praying you mean every two days

Actually, I was thinking daily updates but I guess every two days is fresher than weekly.

crescentx · 02-27-2004, 10:30 PM

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Originally posted by Trixxxia

Good post doug....thanks for that.

I agree that it's probably not the longterm solution, however like you said - the US market would be dead - starting off, I think we'd be stupid to shut that major door.

Out of the European processors, who do you recommend? Least problems? Fasted error correction? Payments - did you ever have to wait for your check or wire?

Verotel or inet-cash.de I think that door - the US - is pretty much shut anyways.

-doug

HS-Trixxxia · 02-27-2004, 10:36 PM

Is there an English version of inet-cash.de ?

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powerbubba Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 358	This is a great thread. Things like this is why I joined GFY. There were a couple of questions about billing that I don't think anyone answered. We currently have ibill, and wish we had done ccbill instead. From another thread, apparently ccbill's affiliate program is far superior to ibill's. We are currently testing Verotel, mainly because it offers payment for non-US customers (dialers for example). __________________ GreatGirls.com [email protected] CrowsCrypt.com - Exclusive High Quality Goth www.crowscrypt.com

02-27-2004, 09:47 PM	#95
crescentx Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 317	My Credit cards are alien to most of the world - < 25% of Europeans have them. It is paradoxical that somehow our profits and business in large part depend on them. Those of us who have been in for awhile probably realize this -- but the big problem is the easiest market, the US market, has no viable alternative. We had PayPal, who owes me $2000, and IBill 900, who owes me $4776 for sales made in 2002. After what most of us went through with those two, trusting any alternative for US markets is difficult. Those left standing in CC processing are scrubbing so hard they virtually ask for penis size to process a card. Let me say outright, without detailing experiences - I will not trust US-based companies with processing. EU companies I have dealt with admit problems, sometimes before the problems happen. American companies, you don't get paid for a few weeks and have to ask. CC is virtually dead as a viable option. Which to a large extent means the US market is dead because of it, and competing in EU markets is tough. Until the political situation here changes, this will be the case. Many of those who post here go on "hope PayPal doesn't check on my transactions" mentality. If any US processors are left by November, I'll be surprised. -doug

02-27-2004, 09:59 PM	#97
Winterverse Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 278	Sure I've got a question. Why do some paysites have streaming only? Streaming sucks ass my fuck streaming, stick to watermarked vids available for download with better than decent quality. Minimum of 2 pages, 12 hour maximum email support and bi daily updates. I run an AEN site right now very high rebills and I think the majority of the success is the member support, they email me and get a quick.. detailed and HUMAN response not that corporate bullshit you usually get. 60 extra seconds with a detailed response can make the difference between a cancellation and 3 months of rebilling.

02-27-2004, 10:36 PM	#100
HS-Trixxxia Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Montreal Canada Posts: 2,946	Is there an English version of inet-cash.de ? __________________ ~~♥~~♥~~♥~~♥~~♥~~♥~~♥~~♥~~ Patrizia COO - ♥ MassiveDollars Email: patrizia at MassiveDollars dot com ICQ: 465.826.441 Yahoo: trixxxia_me MSN: trixxxia at hotmail dot com