Awright lets narrow it down to our Ball Park.

Whats the difference between say
PimpDogg and Lensman?

Out of those 2 individuals who has the classier approach publicly?

Thats the difference!

it is indeed phenomenal. i've also been at 1:2 since i started pusing epic mail.

I definitely won't :)

jesus, who cares?

NOT trying to bash or anything, but how the f*ck do you convert mailers 1:2? Just curious...

well after someone signs up, the only thing that matters is whether they're making good money, and whether they're getting paid on time, so if it works to get people to sign up to his program, then he should be all set

You asked man.

There is a difference in income based on whats sold publicly as a personality.
Its just a fact.

i'm not understanding you. you're saying the difference between their board persona's is the reason for their difference in income?

lens makes more than me. atherlon makes more than lens. i make more than pimpdog.

has fuck all to do with board personalities, unless you are talking very specifically.

Panem & circenses? Let's play.
Making a fool of himself? Least of my worries.

But he could never win my trust as a responsible sponsor. He will lose others' also.

I told you.

If I gave two shits about how I make money, I wouldn't be in the adult industry. :321GFY

If it has fuck all to do with nothing in board personalities then why spend a dime at all advertising?
Why bother posting, why say anything?
Why not just kick back, watch the stats, do the payouts...
Its cheaper aint it!?

But since he selling a board personality and somehow now it has been contrived as a marketing stunt it matters somthing does it not?
Of course it matters.

Did it hurt em.

Yes.
As pointed out some individuals wont do business with em and thats bottom line loss.

duh. but lensman is not competition with pd. this is his board, and he barely posts here.

you can hardly compare the two. lol. anyway...

:glugglug

lol - i think not.

bottom line works like this:

those who would have magically signed up to his program if he was a nice guy = signups a.

those who have signed up with him acting like an asshole = signups b.

signups b MINUS signups a MINUS cost of staying unbanned = bottom line.

Quiet- Ya cant shirk the comparison off...

There is difference you just pointed it out.

Lensman has done some pretty nasty shit in public. I would rather cross P1mpdog. Not sure on the classy issue.

I think pimpuppy is the sexiest black man I have ever met.

"those who would have magically signed up to his program if he was a nice guy = signups a."

Thats the unknown figure in his book, basically thats why I said it is an unrealised loss. He can't see it and he won't see it but it IS there.

which would put him in the same boat as every other two bit program flogging there shit here.

lol

i think the bottom line is this.

epic cash makes money. i'm in this business to make money. i'm able to see past pimpdog's board trash talking because i know that's all it is.

if he was going out and killing blacks and raping children in real life, it would be a different story. but all he's doing is talking trash to get sig views and brand his name.

once again: epic cash makes money. those who are too blind to look past pimpdog's trash talk only help me make more money.

and anyone who says they aren't in this business to make money is either full of shit or sick in the head.

Fly's Honey and Vineger, Fly's Honey and Vineger.

Thats all it is.

Everyone has options Psyko...

Plenty other doors and places to make money.

you could have summed up all your BS talk with those words.. did you really have to drag it out to this ? lol

There was once an aspiring veterinarian who put himself
through veterinary school working nights as a taxidermist.

Upon graduation, he decided he could combine his two
vocations to better serve the needs of his patients and
their owners, while doubling his practice and, therefore,
his income.

He opened his own offices with a shingle on the door saying,
"Dr. Jones, Veterinary Medicine and Taxidermy - Either way,
you get your (p1imp) dog back!"

aww how sweet

And why not take advantage of all of them?

And if you can find me another email sponsor that will convert 1:2 for me and pay 75 cents or more per confirmed email, feel free to drop a ref code.

I've tried most of the free email programs and none of them have made as much money for me as Epic Mail has. CE Mags pays twice as much as Epic Mail does yet I still make more money with Epic Mail.

his program doesn't suck. and he does get attention. I don't see a problem. I may send him some real traffic. I put his banners up on my new site.

Anyone with PIMP in their name can't be 100% bad, of course, if he had ROLL, he would be much better!:1orglaugh

I think that an important word here is 'appear'.

Sure he appears to be moving forward but is that really so? In this business it's not only about making sales, it's also about retaining and rebilling.

Is that happening? While he's busy with his board persona here and every other board that will have him is anyone actually updating the sites and moving them forward in a way that keeps them retaining?

If not then it won't matter how much he dances his little jig here because in 6 months time he'll be doing the ARS boogie. These days it's all about retaining members not acting like a prat to attract the kiddies who want to make beer money.

lol what a stupid post.

why would i just toss money out the window if it wasnt working?

you think i post at this palce cause i have nothing better todo?

I have mastered the artof fucking with your heads.

i no longer think you are an adult. you are just a plain and simple idiot.

if the program is actually really good.. then i think it's fine to use those methods up to the point of becoming too personal or involving slander.

some interesting points.

i love me

what he said...

That's cool - just keep sending me my money and you think what you like

My take is that on the boards PD is a total asshole. However, whenever someone asks a question about his business, himself or a representative are very cordial even during a flame from the posts I have read.

In regards to the drama threads, it is my decision to read and participate. Half the time, I think the threads are made up for our enjoyment. This place is like an interactive soap opera.

Will his marketing tactics earn everyone?s respect?I doubt it. But, I lose more respect for the females who post their pussies, boobs or blowjob pics to entice a webmaster to send traffic to their program...JMO.

Agreed, also in email and icq they are all very helpful

1 word- SMART

if you dont like his marketing methods who really cares? he doesn't and he doesn't need to as any kind of exposure is usally good and better than none at all :thumbsup

Donovan I don't know you from a hole in the ground but I have feelings that flow the same way. I have a hard time getting around the whole idea. I remember back when I started in this biz the best way to get some affiliates into your program was start a pissing match with serge or brad. It was good to get a bunch of small people into your program and some exposure. Since then my feelings on it have changed. There are alot of people read these boards who are heavy hitters who have never and will never post. Some of these people will read these posts and while the exposure might get a few here and there into a program on the whole they tend to shy away from these kind of tactics... I think the most important thing to remember when useing these tactics is the 90/10 rule... 90% of your affiliates who signup will never send a signup... and out of the remainder of them 90% of your joins will come from 10% of them. But also almost all of your problems will come from the 90% of them who don't send shit. Who are the people who yell and complain on the boards when a check is a couple days late? It's small webmasters. Personally I would rather have a half dozen large affiliates who know what they are doing than 1,000 little ones who bitch and complain. Large affiliates build there own ads, they call you up when there is a problem, they care about the welfare of you and your program cause it directly affects them.

just my 2 cents for the day.

newbies = new blood

new blood = agressive hard working men/women trying to succeed

inturn, some will fail, some wont

out of the ones that dont fail, there are a few that will get a great idea and capitalize on it.

point is, look at the loyal affiliates with ARS.... they have thier ups and down just like anyone, but they keep the loyal affiliates for the most part..

when a newbie comes to the biz, 9 times out of 10, they are told togo to ARS cause they have extensive tools to help anyone make a buck..

that being said, the 1st sponsor you promote(if they converts and are not shady) you will most liley stick with..

and establishing a long term relationship.

im not interested in the vetrans, i want the newbies...

i hope i made my point, and i am also drunk as shit

I can't speak for others, but my second time around jumping into this biz, I started pushing WEGCash. I converted well with them, they had great support and they communicated well with me. I had them in my sig for at least 6 months, and I still send traffic to them.