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Most business has some aspect of the 80/20 rule. And the only downside I see to Pimpdog's antics is that the more serious and mature 20% ers are not going to sign up for something they are nervous about.

Sleazy wore his t-shirt and took his money but does he send traffic?
Does Cecash or one of the majors trade traffic?

Those are the questions I think that would let us know if he is being hurt by this stuff.

If they are then more power to ya.

definitely gets in your face, but does draw attention.

Everybody reads his posts! Lots of people don't like him but i noticed the less popular the more rich! :2 cents:

Well we all agree that the publicity is of value but good and bad publicity... There is a difference. A marked difference.

You can have a personality of say Rob Black or Jenna Jameson. Both are personalities, both are products that sell there personalities well but in all honesty I would rather make a buck with Jenna however there are those that will pass a buck with Black.

People like Howard Stern, people love to hate em also thats where the term any publicity is good publicity holds true however just a note Stern has lost advertisers. He has had his problems, he has said outrageous things and done outrageous things but truth is it all has hit his bottom line in some parts during the course of his path.

:2 cents:

yep

i am not going to sit here and name names.... thats not my place.. but you would be suprised

i love this part..

he lost advertisers as i have.. and where there is 1 that wont promote you there are 10 more that will. you dont get it.

Well there you go.

Paysite world is pretty much about those traffic trades from what I hear.

:thumbsup

to me, his methods obviously work well for him and his program, but i think the real question is how many people can pull it off. :)

That is what I have wondered... 62 webmaster sign ups a day means nothing if they're all like Oracle Porn... if I had an affiliate program then I'd want to surround myself with a handful of loyal heavy hitters rather than hundreds of 2-sales-a-day types.

i suppose what i'm getting at is not good or bad publicity. i'm simply trying to look at things from a purely profit-driven perspective.

aggressive (to say the least) posting on gfy - costs to advertising to keep unbanned = growth of business. if it wasn't working, he wouldn't continue to keep paying.

this is obviously not my (nor most others) style (hell, i have absolutely nothing to promote here, regardless).

yet i still find it interesting how many haters one can have, and still appear to be moving in a forward/growth direction. like has been said before, brad shaw did something similar years earlier.

just interesting to watch :)

i guess you will never know..

you didnt even read my post with the screen cap.

mr philips is only assuming these things. he has no facts, he doesnt see my stats or pay my bills.

until he does, then he is just another lamer on gfy running his mouth.

200 2 sale a day webmasters is 400 signups. If he only nets $5 per sign up that is 730k a year.

Where can I find 200 2 sale a day types???? hmmmm

I think the p1mpdog is revealed right there.

Well, I've said my p1mpdogg piece before, so I guess everyone who matters knows. But to reiterate: although very effective, I think that his marketing technique is a short-term thing. Protracted over too long a period of time, it will backfire: over-saturation, over-exposure, over-p1mped, whatever you call it, it's too much.

On the other hand, Trey is sharp. He knows what he's doing, and I wouldn't be surprised if he's added the above to his calculations, in which case he's just riding this horse until it drops under him.

Personally, I despise this type of tactic. On the other hand, the exposure works, and I did finally sign up to check out whether Epic Cash is all that it's cracked up to be, or just hype. It's too soon to tell, as I haven't really sent anything major in the line of traffic. What I can say is that Epic Mail is consistantly converting at 1:7 for me so far, which is pretty damned exceptional.

I'm on the verge of sending a shitload of traffic to Epic's PPS program. I'm hopeful.

i love this part..

Well its simple dude...
Ya lost advertisers...

What can you do...

Well for starters ya could have came off and lost none!:1orglaugh

The difference is your not accounting for the money you lost.
You can't, and you will never know the difference.

Howard Stern could have got a great sponsor like Microsoft or ORACLE but instead advertised Trojan condoms and cheap car washes...

But why didnt those companies do business with em?
The minute agenda of Howard Stern overlooked what could have been...
And lost money.

The public profile of acceptance is wider for Microsoft or Oracle than Trojan condoms. Getting it yet?

There's no such thing as bad publicity :)

If you really, TRUELY, believe that, we won't see too many more posts from you

You might want to pick a different parallel Howard Stern is the most successful DJ in history. Love him or hate him he made tons of $$$.

it's converting at 1:2 for me and has been since it opened. nobody can say that isn't phenomenal.

hehe, well there you go :)

Awright lets narrow it down to our Ball Park.

Whats the difference between say
PimpDogg and Lensman?

Out of those 2 individuals who has the classier approach publicly?

Thats the difference!

it is indeed phenomenal. i've also been at 1:2 since i started pusing epic mail.

I definitely won't :)

jesus, who cares?

NOT trying to bash or anything, but how the f*ck do you convert mailers 1:2? Just curious...

well after someone signs up, the only thing that matters is whether they're making good money, and whether they're getting paid on time, so if it works to get people to sign up to his program, then he should be all set

You asked man.

There is a difference in income based on whats sold publicly as a personality.
Its just a fact.

i'm not understanding you. you're saying the difference between their board persona's is the reason for their difference in income?

lens makes more than me. atherlon makes more than lens. i make more than pimpdog.

has fuck all to do with board personalities, unless you are talking very specifically.

Panem & circenses? Let's play.
Making a fool of himself? Least of my worries.

But he could never win my trust as a responsible sponsor. He will lose others' also.

I told you.

If I gave two shits about how I make money, I wouldn't be in the adult industry. :321GFY

If it has fuck all to do with nothing in board personalities then why spend a dime at all advertising?
Why bother posting, why say anything?
Why not just kick back, watch the stats, do the payouts...
Its cheaper aint it!?

But since he selling a board personality and somehow now it has been contrived as a marketing stunt it matters somthing does it not?
Of course it matters.

Did it hurt em.

Yes.
As pointed out some individuals wont do business with em and thats bottom line loss.

duh. but lensman is not competition with pd. this is his board, and he barely posts here.

you can hardly compare the two. lol. anyway...

:glugglug

lol - i think not.

bottom line works like this:

those who would have magically signed up to his program if he was a nice guy = signups a.

those who have signed up with him acting like an asshole = signups b.

signups b MINUS signups a MINUS cost of staying unbanned = bottom line.

Quiet- Ya cant shirk the comparison off...

There is difference you just pointed it out.

Lensman has done some pretty nasty shit in public. I would rather cross P1mpdog. Not sure on the classy issue.

I think pimpuppy is the sexiest black man I have ever met.

"those who would have magically signed up to his program if he was a nice guy = signups a."

Thats the unknown figure in his book, basically thats why I said it is an unrealised loss. He can't see it and he won't see it but it IS there.

which would put him in the same boat as every other two bit program flogging there shit here.

lol

i think the bottom line is this.

epic cash makes money. i'm in this business to make money. i'm able to see past pimpdog's board trash talking because i know that's all it is.

if he was going out and killing blacks and raping children in real life, it would be a different story. but all he's doing is talking trash to get sig views and brand his name.

once again: epic cash makes money. those who are too blind to look past pimpdog's trash talk only help me make more money.

and anyone who says they aren't in this business to make money is either full of shit or sick in the head.

Fly's Honey and Vineger, Fly's Honey and Vineger.

Thats all it is.

Everyone has options Psyko...

Plenty other doors and places to make money.

you could have summed up all your BS talk with those words.. did you really have to drag it out to this ? lol

There was once an aspiring veterinarian who put himself
through veterinary school working nights as a taxidermist.

Upon graduation, he decided he could combine his two
vocations to better serve the needs of his patients and
their owners, while doubling his practice and, therefore,
his income.

He opened his own offices with a shingle on the door saying,
"Dr. Jones, Veterinary Medicine and Taxidermy - Either way,
you get your (p1imp) dog back!"

aww how sweet

And why not take advantage of all of them?

And if you can find me another email sponsor that will convert 1:2 for me and pay 75 cents or more per confirmed email, feel free to drop a ref code.

I've tried most of the free email programs and none of them have made as much money for me as Epic Mail has. CE Mags pays twice as much as Epic Mail does yet I still make more money with Epic Mail.

his program doesn't suck. and he does get attention. I don't see a problem. I may send him some real traffic. I put his banners up on my new site.

Anyone with PIMP in their name can't be 100% bad, of course, if he had ROLL, he would be much better!:1orglaugh

I think that an important word here is 'appear'.

Sure he appears to be moving forward but is that really so? In this business it's not only about making sales, it's also about retaining and rebilling.

Is that happening? While he's busy with his board persona here and every other board that will have him is anyone actually updating the sites and moving them forward in a way that keeps them retaining?

If not then it won't matter how much he dances his little jig here because in 6 months time he'll be doing the ARS boogie. These days it's all about retaining members not acting like a prat to attract the kiddies who want to make beer money.

lol what a stupid post.

why would i just toss money out the window if it wasnt working?

you think i post at this palce cause i have nothing better todo?

I have mastered the artof fucking with your heads.

i no longer think you are an adult. you are just a plain and simple idiot.

if the program is actually really good.. then i think it's fine to use those methods up to the point of becoming too personal or involving slander.