How the fuck can you afford $35 payouts? - GoFuckYourself.com

Winterverse · 02-26-2004, 08:29 AM

I'm not new to the industry, but taking the next step and moving towards sponsering.. for you veterans out there someone give me a clue how can you afford to pay out more than you're making? Most sites charge the surfer $29.95, am I right? I know you can turn those customers into additional customers across other sites but I figure unless you either

a) get 100% of those customers to rebill for the next 3 months so you can make a half decent return AND pay your affiliates

b) get at least 100% of those customers to signup to other sites through your newly collected mailing list

c) shave

Someone school me here with some knowledge, fuck the 'secrets' I just want at least a vague understanding of how this is remotely possible..

If I paid $20 signup and reoccuring would anyone even bother promoting long as the conversions were under 1:400?

PMdave · 02-26-2004, 08:31 AM

I think you left out crossales...

broke · 02-26-2004, 08:32 AM

and upsells.

kios · 02-26-2004, 08:40 AM

upsells, crossells, emaillists, recurring, and for some sponsors shaving. Thats how.

Trax · 02-26-2004, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Winterverse

If I paid $20 signup and reoccuring would anyone even bother promoting long as the conversions were under 1:400?

well
what counts is the money made

when i sent 100k clicks to a $35 program and make X dollars
and i can send 100k click to a $20 program which converts better and makes me $X*2

why should i want to promote a 35 buck program

you know what i mean

gornyhuy · 02-26-2004, 08:44 AM

There are a hell of a lot of quality sites out there that pay 50-65% recurring and focus on keeping the members happy and recurring rather than focusing on upselling the shit out them.

In my (limited) experience you wind up getting $35-$40 per member this way, so throw in _some_ upsells/cross sells and probably some shaving

and you have a nice little piece of business.

MadCap · 02-26-2004, 08:45 AM

you cant look at the biggest out there.

All those models will change soon

Basic_man · 02-26-2004, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kios
upsells, crossells, emaillists, recurring, and for some sponsors shaving. Thats how.

Yeah right !!

Winterverse · 02-26-2004, 08:52 AM

What are cross sales exactly? I can handle the upsells

Cash · 02-26-2004, 08:52 AM

Those paying $35 charge $40/month ... so, cross sales, upsells, dialers, online checks, mailing lists/newsletters, recurring ...
Many people who just start paying affiliates prefer partnership ...

chowda · 02-26-2004, 08:56 AM

or

stocktrader23 · 02-26-2004, 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Trax

well
what counts is the money made

when i sent 100k clicks to a $35 program and make X dollars
and i can send 100k click to a $20 program which converts better and makes me $X*2

why should i want to promote a 35 buck program

Cause Stone Cold says so!

Reak · 02-26-2004, 08:58 AM

You forgot the Rebills & Upsells :2cents

broke · 02-26-2004, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Winterverse
What are cross sales exactly? I can handle the upsells

Cross sales:

For the record: I checked those... they were not pre-checked.

Trax · 02-26-2004, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by stocktrader23

Cause Stone Cold says so!

Winterverse · 02-26-2004, 09:11 AM

Fucking kick ass thanks for the info

Mike-BP · 02-26-2004, 09:17 AM

cross sells, upsells and mailing (spamming?)

spamofon · 02-26-2004, 09:20 AM

beemk · 02-26-2004, 09:22 AM

not all sponsors shave, but i bet most of them do.

IPK · 02-26-2004, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by spamofon

lol yeah, it's going to get harder and harder for sponsors to pay out $35, they're going to have to resort to other things. they may just shave instead of lowering payouts.

sixxxth_sense · 02-26-2004, 09:32 AM

yup, shaving!

02-26-2004, 08:29 AM	#1
Winterverse Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 278	How the fuck can you afford $35 payouts? I'm not new to the industry, but taking the next step and moving towards sponsering.. for you veterans out there someone give me a clue how can you afford to pay out more than you're making? Most sites charge the surfer $29.95, am I right? I know you can turn those customers into additional customers across other sites but I figure unless you either a) get 100% of those customers to rebill for the next 3 months so you can make a half decent return AND pay your affiliates b) get at least 100% of those customers to signup to other sites through your newly collected mailing list c) shave Someone school me here with some knowledge, fuck the 'secrets' I just want at least a vague understanding of how this is remotely possible.. If I paid $20 signup and reoccuring would anyone even bother promoting long as the conversions were under 1:400?

02-26-2004, 08:32 AM	#3
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