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minimouse · 02-25-2004, 07:12 PM

Please do your self a favour when you come across this guy:
ICQ#7208627
Ray(webmasterguide
Name: Ray Morris
TX, USA
1 979 774 ,9239

He will only fuck you... and after all that he will say it's your fault

I ordered a simple custom submit script from him, he told me it will be $100.. told him I'll give him $200 for that but I can bug him untill I get the results I want.

heres the ICQ chat... (please note the dates)

Date : 07/02/2004
From : Ray (webmastersguide
If you want that script done right,
I can help you out on that. I've been
cosing for adult sites
since 1997.

Date : 07/02/2004
From : Ray (webmastersguide
I wanted to double check my thinking
because we could sure slap a $20
script up there that does
the job, but
from what I'm hearing from you,
a $100 script that did the job a lot
better would
be worth it.

Date : 07/02/2004
To : MiniMouse
I'm willing even to go to $200... but I'll hassle you a bit untill I'm fully satisfied... sounds
cool?

Date : 07/02/2004 Time : 23:40
From : Ray (webmastersguide
Great. That's what I like to do - do it well. <---- Lol mother fucker

Date : 11/02/2004 Time : 23:29
To : MiniMouse
hey, could you hit me up when you come online

Date : 12/02/2004 Time : 23:48
To : MiniMouse
Ray tell me you run away with my $100

Date : 16/02/2004 Time : 20:40
To : MiniMouse
thank you for fucking me up, please send me the $100 back

Date : 16/02/2004 Time : 20:40
To : MiniMouse
thank you for fucking me up, please send me the $100 back

Date : 21/02/2004 Time : 21:52
To : MiniMouse
hey are you going to send me the money back?

Date : 26/02/2004 Time : 03:18
From : Ray (webmastersguide
I FINALLY have something for you here,
a first draft you might say. Where can I install
it so you
can look at it? <---------- check the date

Date : 26/02/2004 Time : 03:19
To : MiniMouse
no man, send me the money back

Date : 26/02/2004 Time : 03:22
From : Ray (webmastersguide
Now that I've done this custom script
for you, designed to suit your needs,
I'd very much like you
to at least take
a look at it before it goes to waste.
Then we can figure out the money -
half the
agreed price or whatever if you
decide you like this script a lot and do
want to use it.

Date : 26/02/2004 Time : 03:37
To : MiniMouse
hey hey don't bullshit me man!

Date : 26/02/2004 Time : 03:37
To : MiniMouse
just send me the money back

Date : 26/02/2004 Time : 03:48
To : MiniMouse
listen... I have no time for this, are you going to send me the money back or not?

Date : 26/02/2004 Time : 03:51
From : Ray (webmastersguide
No, I'm not going to be out all my time and
my money because you changed your mind
if you can't
even be a little courteous
about asking for your money back.

DON'T WORK WITH THIS FUCKER

Hope you won't get fucked like me... I know it;s only $100.. but fuck it... made me super mad.

slackologist · 02-25-2004, 07:15 PM

02-25-2004, 07:22 PM

Kick him in the teeth!

Ray@TastyDollars · 02-25-2004, 07:27 PM

just dont confuse that Ray with this Ray

Ray <-----Good guy

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 02-25-2004, 07:35 PM

If you insist.

cold_ice · 02-25-2004, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ray
just dont confuse that Ray with this Ray

Ray <-----Good guy

mardigras · 02-25-2004, 08:49 PM

Sounds like he would have probably given your money back had you been a little more "diplomatic".

Ic3m4nZ · 02-25-2004, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ray
just dont confuse that Ray with this Ray

Ray <-----Good guy

lol

raymor · 02-25-2004, 08:58 PM

Minimouse left out over 1 hour of conversations from the ICQ
log, both discussing the intricate details of exactly what "she" would
like in her script,
and also the 3 times I offered to return all or part of the deposit.
This was after she had myself and another programmer
who had to be brought on board do many hours of work but never
once indicated that time was becoming an issue.
I indicated several times that I was willing to take care of this
whether it mean giving her the custom script at half the agreed
price, which would have left me 4 hours and $50 in the hole,
or even returning the complete deposit and having all of my time
and money go to waste. I did insist that before I throw it away and
return the deposit she do one of two things -
either answer my simple question of whether she decided
not do do the project or decided to use a different script,
OR if she would simply look at the latest version of the script
so she could see the project that she decided to cancel.
Instead "she" (he?) continued to make offensive comments
even though I was very clear that if she would just be slightly
polite long enough to look at the work I did I would gladly
refund the deposit if she decided that it wouldn't fit her needs.
Minimouse is apparently not capable of honestly discussing
the issue and I'm not going to wate time in a pissing contest,
so anyone who would like further information is free to call, email, or ICQ me.
The correct phone number is 1-979-530-1300.

Respectfully,
Ray B. Morris

Dennis69 · 02-25-2004, 09:05 PM

I've dealt with Ray numerous times over the last year and I've always got excellent service from him and his scripts

DraX · 02-25-2004, 09:11 PM

Seems like a bad mood/misunderstanding mix

Do the work and get friends.

minimouse · 02-25-2004, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by raymor
Minimouse left out over 1 hour of conversations from the ICQ
log, both discussing the intricate details of exactly what "she" would
like in her script,
and also the 3 times I offered to return all or part of the deposit.
This was after she had myself and another programmer
who had to be brought on board do many hours of work but never
once indicated that time was becoming an issue.
I indicated several times that I was willing to take care of this
whether it mean giving her the custom script at half the agreed
price, which would have left me 4 hours and $50 in the hole,
or even returning the complete deposit and having all of my time
and money go to waste. I did insist that before I throw it away and
return the deposit she do one of two things -
either answer my simple question of whether she decided
not do do the project or decided to use a different script,
OR if she would simply look at the latest version of the script
so she could see the project that she decided to cancel.
Instead "she" (he?) continued to make offensive comments
even though I was very clear that if she would just be slightly
polite long enough to look at the work I did I would gladly
refund the deposit if she decided that it wouldn't fit her needs.
Minimouse is apparently not capable of honestly discussing
the issue and I'm not going to wate time in a pissing contest,
so anyone who would like further information is free to call, email, or ICQ me.
The correct phone number is 1-979-530-1300.

Respectfully,
Ray B. Morris

hey which part of "SEND ME THE MONEY BACK" don't you understand?

stocktrader23 · 02-25-2004, 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by minimouse

hey which part of "SEND ME THE MONEY BACK" don't you understand?

Send me my 5 minutes back.

stevent37 · 02-25-2004, 09:39 PM

How did you pay him? Paypal CC?

Roger · 02-25-2004, 09:42 PM

Minimouse, Ray have been around since I entered the business and he seems like a decent guy.

Your ICQ log shows that he did the job yet you didn't take a look at it and wanted your money back for some reason.

hoe_vender · 02-25-2004, 09:44 PM

what the fuck is this

jimmyf · 02-25-2004, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ray
just dont confuse that Ray with this Ray

Ray <-----Good guy

you sure?

slackologist · 02-25-2004, 09:49 PM

that was my thought. you owe him the money.. you can't order something.. have people work on it.. then say no i dont want it.. i dont even want to see it.. but GIVE ME MY MONEY BACK. and slander someone.. the way you have.. what a fucking joke..

raymor · 02-25-2004, 09:55 PM

There was a typo in my post.
This should have said $150:

Quote:

I indicated several times that I was willing to take care of this
whether it mean giving her the custom script at half the agreed
price, which would have left me 4 hours and $50 in the hole,
or even returning the complete deposit and having all of my time
and money go to waste.

minimouse · 02-25-2004, 10:00 PM

Do you understand english Ray?

SEND ME THE MONEY BACK

minimouse · 02-25-2004, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Roger
Minimouse, Ray have been around since I entered the business and he seems like a decent guy.

Your ICQ log shows that he did the job yet you didn't take a look at it and wanted your money back for some reason.

What the hell are you talking about roger?
did you even read the ICQ log?
take a look.. lol

roger roger

minimouse · 02-25-2004, 10:13 PM

You know Ray.. it amazes me, you know you fucked this up.. and you still insist not sending me the money back.. it took you 20 days to get back to me.. and you come back with strange stories I sent you a request for a money back 10 days ago in the 16th
you came 10 days after the 16th telling me your done with the script...

Please send me the money back, I won't trouble your mind anymore.

Ironhorse · 02-25-2004, 10:21 PM

Didn't you guys establish any deadline dates? reviews, etc?

slackologist · 02-25-2004, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ironhorse
Didn't you guys establish any deadline dates? reviews, etc?

that would be sensible..

AvanteGuard · 02-25-2004, 11:18 PM

Hmm. I'm not on anyone's side or anything, but maybe this is all a misunderstanding? I know when I make a mistake or miss a deadline for code, I generally do anything to please the customer, even giving it away for free.

In my opinion, if there wasn't a set deadline, then you can't take back the "deposit" (the purpose of the deposit is to prevent you from not paying). The script was finished, and if it worked, you should just cut the drama and take it. You don't have to do business with him again, but why be out 100 bucks and the program?

Maybe you and Ray can work out a way for him to "make it up to you" down the road (discounts, free stuff) so that everyone's satisfied. But it's not worth burning bridges left and right for a hundred bucks.

Rictor · 02-25-2004, 11:25 PM

Looks like he took a couple weeks to make a custom script. How quickly did you expect it? Doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

And the price...Jesus...he was worknig for pennies.

torrey · 02-25-2004, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mardigras
Sounds like he would have probably given your money back had you been a little more "diplomatic".

Sounds Like a winner to me.

Kevin2 · 02-26-2004, 12:18 AM

I've used Ray's services monthly for close onto 4 years now and he has never screwed me

spentrent · 02-26-2004, 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rictor
Looks like he took a couple weeks to make a custom script. How quickly did you expect it? Doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

And the price...Jesus...he was worknig for pennies.

It appears that Jesus wasn't lying when he said "Thou getst what thou payest for."

02-25-2004, 07:12 PM	#1
minimouse Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Home Posts: 1,493	Don't work with this guy Please do your self a favour when you come across this guy: ICQ#7208627 Ray(webmasterguide Name: Ray Morris TX, USA 1 979 774 ,9239 He will only fuck you... and after all that he will say it's your fault I ordered a simple custom submit script from him, he told me it will be $100.. told him I'll give him $200 for that but I can bug him untill I get the results I want. heres the ICQ chat... (please note the dates) Date : 07/02/2004 From : Ray (webmastersguide If you want that script done right, I can help you out on that. I've been cosing for adult sites since 1997. Date : 07/02/2004 From : Ray (webmastersguide I wanted to double check my thinking because we could sure slap a $20 script up there that does the job, but from what I'm hearing from you, a $100 script that did the job a lot better would be worth it. Date : 07/02/2004 To : MiniMouse I'm willing even to go to $200... but I'll hassle you a bit untill I'm fully satisfied... sounds cool? Date : 07/02/2004 Time : 23:40 From : Ray (webmastersguide Great. That's what I like to do - do it well. <---- Lol mother fucker Date : 11/02/2004 Time : 23:29 To : MiniMouse hey, could you hit me up when you come online Date : 12/02/2004 Time : 23:48 To : MiniMouse Ray tell me you run away with my $100 Date : 16/02/2004 Time : 20:40 To : MiniMouse thank you for fucking me up, please send me the $100 back Date : 16/02/2004 Time : 20:40 To : MiniMouse thank you for fucking me up, please send me the $100 back Date : 21/02/2004 Time : 21:52 To : MiniMouse hey are you going to send me the money back? Date : 26/02/2004 Time : 03:18 From : Ray (webmastersguide I FINALLY have something for you here, a first draft you might say. Where can I install it so you can look at it? <---------- check the date Date : 26/02/2004 Time : 03:19 To : MiniMouse no man, send me the money back Date : 26/02/2004 Time : 03:22 From : Ray (webmastersguide Now that I've done this custom script for you, designed to suit your needs, I'd very much like you to at least take a look at it before it goes to waste. Then we can figure out the money - half the agreed price or whatever if you decide you like this script a lot and do want to use it. Date : 26/02/2004 Time : 03:37 To : MiniMouse hey hey don't bullshit me man! Date : 26/02/2004 Time : 03:37 To : MiniMouse just send me the money back Date : 26/02/2004 Time : 03:48 To : MiniMouse listen... I have no time for this, are you going to send me the money back or not? Date : 26/02/2004 Time : 03:51 From : Ray (webmastersguide No, I'm not going to be out all my time and my money because you changed your mind if you can't even be a little courteous about asking for your money back. DON'T WORK WITH THIS FUCKER Hope you won't get fucked like me... I know it;s only $100.. but fuck it... made me super mad. __________________ Dead Last edited by minimouse; 02-25-2004 at 07:15 PM..

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02-25-2004, 07:22 PM	#3
shermo Guest Posts: n/a	Kick him in the teeth!

02-25-2004, 08:49 PM	#7
mardigras Bon temps! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: down yonder Posts: 14,194	Sounds like he would have probably given your money back had you been a little more "diplomatic". __________________ .

02-25-2004, 08:58 PM	#9
raymor Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,745	Minimouse left out over 1 hour of conversations from the ICQ log, both discussing the intricate details of exactly what "she" would like in her script, and also the 3 times I offered to return all or part of the deposit. This was after she had myself and another programmer who had to be brought on board do many hours of work but never once indicated that time was becoming an issue. I indicated several times that I was willing to take care of this whether it mean giving her the custom script at half the agreed price, which would have left me 4 hours and $50 in the hole, or even returning the complete deposit and having all of my time and money go to waste. I did insist that before I throw it away and return the deposit she do one of two things - either answer my simple question of whether she decided not do do the project or decided to use a different script, OR if she would simply look at the latest version of the script so she could see the project that she decided to cancel. Instead "she" (he?) continued to make offensive comments even though I was very clear that if she would just be slightly polite long enough to look at the work I did I would gladly refund the deposit if she decided that it wouldn't fit her needs. Minimouse is apparently not capable of honestly discussing the issue and I'm not going to wate time in a pissing contest, so anyone who would like further information is free to call, email, or ICQ me. The correct phone number is 1-979-530-1300. Respectfully, Ray B. Morris

02-25-2004, 09:05 PM	#10
Dennis69 Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Dreamland Posts: 1,685	I've dealt with Ray numerous times over the last year and I've always got excellent service from him and his scripts

02-25-2004, 09:39 PM	#14
stevent37 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: USA Posts: 266	How did you pay him? Paypal CC?

02-25-2004, 09:42 PM	#15
Roger Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: MetroCity Posts: 3,181	Minimouse, Ray have been around since I entered the business and he seems like a decent guy. Your ICQ log shows that he did the job yet you didn't take a look at it and wanted your money back for some reason.

02-25-2004, 09:44 PM	#16
hoe_vender Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Lincoln, NE Posts: 2,018	what the fuck is this __________________ ICQ #286508534

02-25-2004, 09:49 PM	#18
slackologist Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 2,379	that was my thought. you owe him the money.. you can't order something.. have people work on it.. then say no i dont want it.. i dont even want to see it.. but GIVE ME MY MONEY BACK. and slander someone.. the way you have.. what a fucking joke..

02-25-2004, 10:00 PM	#20
minimouse Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Home Posts: 1,493	Do you understand english Ray? SEND ME THE MONEY BACK __________________ Dead

02-25-2004, 10:13 PM	#22
minimouse Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Home Posts: 1,493	You know Ray.. it amazes me, you know you fucked this up.. and you still insist not sending me the money back.. it took you 20 days to get back to me.. and you come back with strange stories I sent you a request for a money back 10 days ago in the 16th you came 10 days after the 16th telling me your done with the script... Please send me the money back, I won't trouble your mind anymore. __________________ Dead

02-25-2004, 10:21 PM	#23
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02-25-2004, 11:18 PM	#25
AvanteGuard Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Cortland, OH Posts: 451	Hmm. I'm not on anyone's side or anything, but maybe this is all a misunderstanding? I know when I make a mistake or miss a deadline for code, I generally do anything to please the customer, even giving it away for free. In my opinion, if there wasn't a set deadline, then you can't take back the "deposit" (the purpose of the deposit is to prevent you from not paying). The script was finished, and if it worked, you should just cut the drama and take it. You don't have to do business with him again, but why be out 100 bucks and the program? Maybe you and Ray can work out a way for him to "make it up to you" down the road (discounts, free stuff) so that everyone's satisfied. But it's not worth burning bridges left and right for a hundred bucks. __________________ Looking for Fast Professional Programming? http://www.imadigan.com ICQ: 314-942-262 \| MSN/Email: [email protected]

02-25-2004, 11:25 PM	#26
Rictor Old Timer Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 12,208	Looks like he took a couple weeks to make a custom script. How quickly did you expect it? Doesn't seem unreasonable to me. And the price...Jesus...he was worknig for pennies.

02-26-2004, 12:18 AM	#28
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