Folks, you have to realize i got my girl to handle my icq because all it is is a bullshit GFY playground.

Its clear she may have misunderstood and was basically trying to say if you want to talk business thats fine but she didnt want to waste anytime... she is managing my icq messages as a courtesy to me, maybe she was foggy on what exactly he meant... thats no reason to go off like this

my girl dodges drama for me all day, and now he even attacks her.

You can't issue a work order before giving specific "important" details? At least a baseline order giving someone an idea of what kind of work is entailed?

I do it all the time. In fact, 3 designers owe me work that I haven't issued details for. My last programmer did, too.

Why would someone want to go through a bunch of legal papers only to find out the contract is for 5 galleries? Sure, 5 galleries is $150, but it's also a waste of time for extremely busy people.

I smell some drama!!

The template thing was old news bro. Completely different project. As I said..If you don't want to do business with me that fine.

As for board addictions...Have you seen your post count compared to mine? Don't talk to me about board addictions.

Also...SHE NEVER SAID YOU WERE NOT INTERESTED.

Now...Quit thinking that you are all that and that I need YOU for drama. I can stir drama as good or better than anybody around her without roping people that I USED to respect into it.

You posted the link to this thread in ICQ becuse you thought it would initimidate FletchXXX. You think people on this board will support you no matter the circumstance. Wake up. You know you thought everyone would take your side. Now that they haven't , it's gfy idiots this and gfy idiots that. Guess what? You started this thread.

THANK YOU SLY SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS

:thumbsup

I was a potential client. I can act however I like. If they decide not to do business with me because of it then that is their choice.

No loss on my end. :glugglug

Where would GFY be without them ?:1orglaugh

Why is it that people keep assuming that I am either threatening them or calling them an idiot?

YOU are not the average GFY idiot....Stop grouping yourself with them.

ugh, is this more fake fucking drama? Hope not.

In the meantime, see sig.

Aaron, you're really showing your true colors here, you're quite the asshole.

".As in I sent that same message to 20 or so people and I don't need any of you fuckers stealing my ideas."

I would've wanted my secretary to tell you to go fuck yourself too. And now you start this thread? Get a life bro, not having Fletch do your work is your loss.

Fair enough. I think you see my point and I see yours. I am not looking for drama here man. If I wanted drama then I would be posting about.....Oh wait.....That has to wait a bit longer. :glugglug And no.....It does not involve you. Believe it or not...I like you.

Since when is 1 paper a bunch of legal papers?

I don't care if I wanted him to design me a single 120x60 button. If I want the contents, concept, or even the fact that he is making it for me to be kept secret then I have the right to ask him to sign for that protection.

Tell me about it :Graucho

Said the typical GFY idiot.

HELLO? I do not give a fuck if I am supported or not.

Get it?

Bullshit.

WTF??? Quit trying to spin shit and assume others intentions. You have NO and I mean NO idea what his intentions are. You do not know if he was trying to intimidate Fletch, he could have posts the logs to show he has nothing to hide. SEE A DIFFERENT WAY OF LOOKING AT IT.

And when in any of Aaron's post has he come across as a needy, insecure person who can't handle it when people don't support him.

Instead of looking at his intentions maybe you should spend sometime looking at your own.

I see your point (not that it really matters).

quoted for emphasis.

Loryn - you support anything aaronm does or says. I'm not even going to bother reading your post. You have rendered yourself useless to any further discussion involving Aaronm becuase of your close personal relationship.

:1orglaugh

It must suck to not have friends.

And they have the right to refuse. :)

It's ICQ. It's the fucking Internet. Messages get lost, people are short, but most of all... emotions are lost. Somebody could call me a fucker and I would probably laugh it off thinking they were joking, while they're sitting behind their computer screen pissed as all fuck because I ate their Cheerio's this morning.

Case in point, this thread. It seems like you're pretty pissed off, but you may not be pissed at all. How the hell do I know? The only people that would really know are your friends, maybe. If you know cherry or have ever spoken with her you would know that she's very nice and I highly doubt she meant to be rude.

Everyone comes off that way at times. Shit I just sold a box to a guy that seemed like a complete ass on ICQ so I give him a call and he was real pleasant.

ND's and NC's are very neccessary in business. I would never sign one with out at least hearing something about what the project is about...

Hell I may already have the idea on a back burner. If I signed a noncompete without knowing this then MY idea is fuckered.


You should have at least sent in the contracts with a vague but halfway understandable concept. But to say here's my contracts sign them and then we can talk is crazy.

Here sign these non compete contracts for me AaronM. Then I'm gonna tell you about my master play to run an adult business just like yours. By the way since you signed go ahead and shut off your websites in accordance with this contract you just signed.

I think it's a simple case of misunderstanding - which is a common problem in using ICQ to conduct business. It's difficult to see how the person on the other end is really reacting and everything is taken in a totally literal context. :2 cents:

I do agree though that NDAs are very common in any business sector. I've been to many meetings in mainstream work where the first thing done is to sign an NDA.

this thread was officially set up to stir up business.

She is right though. Aaron is far from needy and craving support. The guy has taken the unpopular road on here many times and hasn't cared one iota about whether or not he has "support". Fletch has too for that matter.


This misunderstanding could have been avoided though. Is a thread needed whenever something goes awry in ICQ? I don't know. I think sometimes simply providing more explanation of where one is coming from does the job better for getting things straight.

DIng DIng DIng We have Winner!

One thing I've always noticed with "board wars", or bad ICQ messages is that you spend 1 minute writing the original message and then the next 15 explaining what you meant by it, your emtotions behind it blah blah blah.

I always worry when I do business on ICQ that people are misunderstanding my tone, or my intentions.

It's a tool, not the most effective one...but for now it's what we have...same issues arise in email.

HOLD MY DRINK BITCH! IM ONE OF THE BADDEST MUTHERFUCKERS ON THE INTERWEB!

Huh? that's ass backwards. I would never tell you what my project is about without insurance that you wouldn't go and do it yourself, or blab it to everyone.

No way in hell I'd expect you to sign the NDA "after" I told you about it.

did you break the AOL?

A large population of the people in this business seem to think that Adult should be run differently than mainstream.

It's business people...The same rules and concepts should still apply. Just because it is porn does not mean that all the business basics go out the window. :2 cents:

:1orglaugh I feel that way all the time.

Exactly. When something of a larger business dealing comes up I always try to get the person to phone me or I call them...... and talk. Very little room for misunderstanding on the phone. It is certainly heads and tails above ICQ or email. Less room for ego and posturing as well.

I think his point is that he would worry about signing an NDA and NC when he may already have a similar concept in the works.

pimpin pussy since aol 2.5

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

:1orglaugh great slogan...now all you need is a logo.

Too true.


Valid point. I am guilty of that for sure.

Damn...That's the first time this year that I have admitted to doing the wrong thing around here.

So much for my perfect streak. :(

ok i never did biz with either of you and Aaron you really did not start off very professional..in doing this you created a tone of arogance..so you set the tone

As far as the NDA it is a standard practice in Manufacturing and many other industires..i mean, people steal ideas all the time you must protect yourself! Usually when u sign it you have some proposal with something to go on.

This poses an intersting question what if you sign it just to find out that those ideas were not as original just a rip off from some else who did not have that person sign the NDA and so on and so on

With the way this business has been lately , I gotta take fletches side on this for sure .

I answer useless quotes and emails all the time ,
waste alot of time on clients that are just " looking " but don't tell you that , everything is set in stone as they say and then you hear nothing , in fact . there is one character on this board that mustve hit me up 17 times to ask for a quote on the same damn site .. over and over again , we waste time with enough potential orders to book ourselves for years on end .

Ill be damned if I would be signing anything before payment was in hand .

Aaron , I think you're abit out of line here .
No matter how big you think you are , some of the biggest " personalities " on this board waste my time often enough to see where fletch and cherry are comming from .

It wasn't 17 it was only 15 sheesh.

Don't worry man. None of our "perfect streaks" are as perfect as we think. :D


Judging by the logs, there was a little attitude and a lot of misunderstanding on both sides. And you're right... it IS business, as in not personal. Maybe there is a way to work it out and start over. You'd like your project done by the best, and I'm sure Fletch isn't turning down good money, I've heard him say that before.

Any way to work it out? If not, maybe it's a good time to disperse...... unless we can get some side pissing going with a few "idiots" so this thread goes 5 more pages. lol

Fletch probably would have apoligized for your not receiving above and beyond customer service if approached differently but once you've called someones woman an ASSMONKEY that's pretty much it I think.

whoa...blazing 56k!!..lol..I have a 3.0 disc somewhere around here

How many of you actually consult with an attorney on a regular basis? Based on a lot of the replies in this thread...I am guessing that not many of you do this.

what a bunch of stuck up pussies.

what happened to those times where you'd put in a little effort in order to clear up a misunderstanding instead of letting your ego take over and create some bs drama that won't help anyone?