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mardigras · 02-18-2004, 09:23 PM

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Originally posted by Anna_O
If CCBill goes down it will be a huge blow to this industry. It will put many thousands out of biz...

Then it would be the one for the govt to go after first in their revived plans to clean up America?

The Other Steve · 02-18-2004, 09:24 PM

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Originally posted by integrated
the big question is when will visa/master card go out of business?

adult industry is the biggest revenue streams for them so if they cut us off they will go down too

Show us some figures because I think you're wrong

StuartD · 02-18-2004, 09:25 PM

Heh... I find that Visa/Mastercard statement to be one of the funniest things I've heard all day

PR_Phil · 02-18-2004, 09:25 PM

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Originally posted by integrated

so i guess your the expert here?

right ?

aparently, compared to you.

I didn't mean to be rude, but that was a pretty rediculous statement, and I had a hard time keeping my ass in my chair.

Shok · 02-18-2004, 09:27 PM

I would move everything over to DMR

StuartD · 02-18-2004, 09:27 PM

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Originally posted by Shok
I would move everything over to DMR

PR_Phil · 02-18-2004, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by integrated
the big question is when will visa/master card go out of business?

adult industry is the biggest revenue streams for them so if they cut us off they will go down too

where do you get this stuff?

StuartD · 02-18-2004, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by integrated
the big question is when will visa/master card go out of business?

adult industry is the biggest revenue streams for them so if they cut us off they will go down too

I thought this was the best you could do...

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=238269

PR_Phil · 02-18-2004, 09:37 PM

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Originally posted by MaskedMan

I thought this was the best you could do...

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=238269

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Originally posted by MaskedMan
I'm going to bookmark this thread so that I can return to it any time I need a good laugh.

holy shit, I'm going to puke out my nose!

chowda · 02-18-2004, 09:46 PM

it would really suck if they went down.
i would venture a guess to say they own50-60% processing for adults?

ppl would be fucked.

but in any case..

The chinese character for crisis is the same for opportunity.

Holly · 02-18-2004, 09:47 PM

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Originally posted by NWPhil

where do you get this stuff?

It's called Board Character University and he's pretty good at it.

He's just subtle/dry enough, that it makes it even funnier.

HomeO · 02-18-2004, 09:47 PM

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Originally posted by SR
you mean ccbill doesn't like your spamming practices anymore?

CCbill is anti-spam? Since when?

jact · 02-18-2004, 09:52 PM

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Originally posted by integrated
the big question is when will visa/master card go out of business?

adult industry is the biggest revenue streams for them so if they cut us off they will go down too

Visa's annual income is in the Trillions of dollars, adult combined with video and toys at best generates low billions, they'd hardly even notice us gone.

psyko514 · 02-18-2004, 10:03 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim
I'd be surprised to see any of the IPSPs that are left go under, and if there were to be one, CCBill would not be my guess.

You think Verotel's gonna stick around?

Bansheelinks · 02-18-2004, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by integrated
the big question is when will visa/master card go out of business?

adult industry is the biggest revenue streams for them so if they cut us off they will go down too

Are you on fuckin' glue? Adult is a tiny % of what they do.

Bansheelinks · 02-18-2004, 10:16 PM

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Originally posted by psyko514

You think Verotel's gonna stick around?

Not the way they are operating..........they will be the next Probilling

Why · 02-18-2004, 10:25 PM

i worked for arlo. and he is a smart business man. i could only think of two reasons he would post this.

a) he knows something the rest of us dont.
b) he wanted to piss in thier cheerios.

id go with a.

people like lightspeed come in here spouting about what ccbill told him last week. just think about that for a second. no one is going to tell you the boat is sinking before it does. they will just keep on keeping on.

however, i personaly think epoch or ibill will be next to fall. epoch for thier lack enforcement on cross sales and non-disclosure, they were basically letting thier larger clients get away with shitloads of shady shit. and still are.

i dunno too much about iBill but i do know they have lost a lot of business over the last few years.

i think sms billing and other methods will be on the rise very rapidly. with the bush administration poised to do this business in, i forsee visa and MC cracking down on us harder and harder.

again, these are just MY thoughts and opinions.

BRISK · 02-18-2004, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by integrated
the big question is when will visa/master card go out of business?

adult industry is the biggest revenue streams for them so if they cut us off they will go down too

Mike AI · 02-18-2004, 10:34 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim
I'd be surprised to see any of the IPSPs that are left go under, and if there were to be one, CCBill would not be my guess.

They do err on the side of caution, always have and their business model is different from Paycom, Ibill or Jettis.

I am amazed that anyone there would threaten to hold your money because of your posts, that's not the way I've ever seen them do things...

I have bashed CCBill more then anyone else, and I have always been paid by them. So that is a non-issue.

sextoyking · 02-18-2004, 10:41 PM

Mike,

not to throw shit in the fire, but I gotta admit in yrs. past you have done your ball busting on ccbill...

JulianSosa · 02-18-2004, 10:42 PM

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Originally posted by Hooper

ccbill is the same company that changed our join pages one day to say things like "hoopers momma is..." and accordingly disabling transactions for a full 24 hours.

.

Please tell me you are joking? If not what was all this about?

J.R. · 02-18-2004, 10:50 PM

Keep in mind..

Epoch was one of the few processors who
kicked out programs with high chargebacks and countless
problems several years ago.

iBill opened their doors by saying.. COME ONE COME ALL!

iBill can kiss my ass, they fucked me 3 times in 2003
for 15k and all of it was their screw ups.

I send 90% of my sales to Epoch and 10% to CCBill.

seven · 02-18-2004, 10:52 PM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
you're dead wrong.

In my opinion one has to be really stupid to still use a 3rd party processor when he makes 3 mil/mon then again if a person is stupid he couldn't possibly make 3 mil/mon. So basically, please let people inflate a number as long as they stay within a limit

makefuckingmoney · 02-18-2004, 10:58 PM

hmm
ccbill has been very conservative in comparison to other billing company's..

id find it hard to believe they would go under..

Kimmykim · 02-18-2004, 11:04 PM

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Originally posted by Hooper

ccbill is the same company that changed our join pages one day to say things like "hoopers momma is..." and accordingly disabling transactions for a full 24 hours.

You want me to tell the story of how that happened and bring the Netpond posts that started it? And you wanna tell everyone how you and I worked together to create a join page that was so good that someone stole it a month later?

Hoop, I love you (amazing we've come that far lol), and I dont think you meant to start this like it is, and you know what? I havent read anything past the post I quoted -- if its all over and done with then I apologize for dragging it on but you are quick to temper and so am I

So now I'm gonna go back and read and if I owe you an apology when I'm done, then you'll get it.

Theo · 02-18-2004, 11:08 PM

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Originally posted by seven

In my opinion one has to be really stupid to still use a 3rd party processor when he makes 3 mil/mon then again if a person is stupid he couldn't possibly make 3 mil/mon. So basically, please let people inflate a number as long as they stay within a limit

if not all,the majority of the biggest sponsors use 3rd-part processors

Kimmykim · 02-18-2004, 11:08 PM

quote:
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Originally posted by integrated
the big question is when will visa/master card go out of business?

adult industry is the biggest revenue streams for them so if they cut us off they will go down too
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YOU ARE ON CRACK.

seven · 02-18-2004, 11:08 PM

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Originally posted by Why
a) he knows something the rest of us dont.
b) he wanted to piss in thier cheerios.

id go with a.

Yeah I'd go with 'a' too.. he prolly knows something that even God himself doesn't know about yet.. since ccbill liked him so much they just told him all their business secrets even let him audit them.. uh no it was actually VISA. I say VISA loves him spills all their secret in his ears

C'mon man he already told you that he's got beef with CCBill for whatever reason and he's taking it on 'em now he's done with 'em that's all.

Hooper · 02-18-2004, 11:09 PM

this is about ccbill, i was merely pointing out that they arent as professional as they would like us to believe in response to all the "ccbill is a conservative bastion of moral and financial righteousness" posts.

all i'm pointing out is that everybody has a history.

good thing about being me is that nobody has to prove i'm a dick.. it's obvious

Theo · 02-18-2004, 11:10 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim

So now I'm gonna go back and read

not advisable !

Hooper · 02-18-2004, 11:12 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim
And you wanna tell everyone how you and I worked together to create a join page that was so good that someone stole it a month later?

i remember that. you dont have anything to apologize for kk.

it's funny how pisses go, every piss ends up being rememberd like a vacation.. no matter how ugly it is, eventually somebody looks back on it with fond memories

seven · 02-18-2004, 11:13 PM

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Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
if not all,the majority of the biggest sponsors use 3rd-part processors

Think most use their own merchant account with gateway service from 3rd parties kinda like netbilling.. diff story.

Meloman · 02-18-2004, 11:14 PM

Wow this is a funny post.

I don't know about Hoopers statements about CCbill but this I do know:

1. Adult internet is a small, small, small part of Visa's revenue. They give fuck all about us in the grand scheme of things.

2. Of course you can process over 250K a month with either Visa/MC. Shit if that was the most a company could process none of us would be around. I know AFFILIATES that make that much, let alone a whole program.

3. Most large programs use 3rd party billing and they do millions per month. There's isn't anything stupid about using a 3rd party biller if you're doing 3 million a month. Hustler processes with Jettis in fact.

Just my

Wiseman · 02-18-2004, 11:15 PM

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Originally posted by Hooper

good thing about being me is that nobody has to prove i'm a dick.. it's obvious

Wiseman clearing throat, AMEN!!!! YOU ARE A FUCKING DICK!!!!

Meloman · 02-18-2004, 11:16 PM

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Originally posted by seven

Think most use their own merchant account with gateway service from 3rd parties kinda like netbilling.. diff story.

Hmm, that might be true. You've got me curious now. I'm gonna have to ask the big hochos how we do it, lol.

pornJester · 02-18-2004, 11:16 PM

Woah shit, monkeys are flying out of my ass.

Hooper · 02-18-2004, 11:17 PM

at least be forthright about why most of the biggest programs use 3rd party billing and how they wound up using it.

but i agree, the 250k cap is something that was just pulled out of somebody's butt.

seven · 02-18-2004, 11:30 PM

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Originally posted by Meloman
Hustler processes with Jettis in fact.

Hustler pocesses Jettis too right? Btw, 250k cap is simply wrong, ain't no such cap.

Meloman · 02-18-2004, 11:37 PM

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Originally posted by seven

Hustler pocesses Jettis too right?

Sort of. Ken Lawson owns Jettis. He also owns Webquest which runs FlyntDigital (Hustler.com).

But they are techniqually 2 totally seperate companies I think. But I don't know for sure, not my department, lol

Donny · 02-18-2004, 11:39 PM

A lot of programs that do millions a month still use a third party processor. They just negotiate the rate much lower than everyone else.

Just think for a second.... if you are moving millions a month and have a nice rate through a third party that TAKES ALL THE RISKS FOR YOU, don't you think you'd do it?

No question.

andi_germany · 02-18-2004, 11:46 PM

I cannot fucking believe some guys making money in porn. I would not be surprised if CCBill would sue your ass Hooper.

If they were go under they can actually claim it was part fault of a slander post by you on the biggest adult webmaster board and you would be liable as many non adult judgements have proven.

Your post obviously is just done to hurt them because you are pissed you have to change processors. If CCBill would have to go out of CC processing there would be others to fall as well with no 3rd party CC billing left. Checks, 900 billing and dialers would be the only alternatives to bill and if I remember right CCBill offers all 3 of those options.

Mike AI · 02-18-2004, 11:48 PM

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Originally posted by andi_germany
I cannot fucking believe some guys making money in porn. I would not be surprised if CCBill would sue your ass Hooper.

If they were go under they can actually claim it was part fault of a slander post by you on the biggest adult webmaster board and you would be liable as many non adult judgements have proven.

Your post obviously is just done to hurt them because you are pissed you have to change processors. If CCBill would have to go out of CC processing there would be others to fall as well with no 3rd party CC billing left. Checks, 900 billing and dialers would be the only alternatives to bill and if I remember right CCBill offers all 3 of those options.

CCBill actually processes for your celeb sites?

Hmmmmm.....

seven · 02-18-2004, 11:50 PM

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Originally posted by Meloman
Sort off. Ken Lawson owns Jettis. He also owns Webquest which runs FlyntDigital (Hustler.com).

So there you go 3rd party is really a 1st party there lol. Btw, I gotta take this back.. there may in fact be a cap by an issuing bank (not VISA/MC) depending on individual/business, their business model and other shit according to a friend of mine with multiple merchant accounts.

sextoyking · 02-18-2004, 11:51 PM

Yep Donovan, well said

AWW - Kevin · 02-18-2004, 11:56 PM

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Originally posted by Bansheelinks

Are you on fuckin' glue? Adult is a tiny % of what they do.

what he said !

the day one of the top3 go under is a real bad day for the adult biz !

Dawgy · 02-19-2004, 12:03 AM

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Originally posted by pornJester
Woah shit, monkeys are flying out of my ass.

tickles, doesnt it?

Digipimp · 02-19-2004, 12:06 AM

Porn Mafia is for rizzeal, you know the dizzeal! La Cosa Nostra!

RRRED · 02-19-2004, 12:15 AM

DatingGold · 02-19-2004, 12:17 AM

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Originally posted by TheDoc

Ibill is still in because because they have money to pay the fines. They are riding a fine line and have been for over a year.

I dont think they've been fined in a while.

DatingGold · 02-19-2004, 12:22 AM

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Originally posted by mrthumbs
i find it funny how people feel about ibill..

last man standing. wait and see ;)

I agree.

02-18-2004, 09:25 PM	#103
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02-18-2004, 09:46 PM	#110
chowda Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Gooch city Posts: 9,527	it would really suck if they went down. i would venture a guess to say they own50-60% processing for adults? ppl would be fucked. but in any case.. The chinese character for crisis is the same for opportunity. __________________ Someone finds you... 2007 PS: Nationalnet is the best host I've ever had. And i tried alot of them.

02-18-2004, 10:41 PM	#120
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02-18-2004, 11:09 PM	#129
Hooper Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: A Free America Posts: 2,210	this is about ccbill, i was merely pointing out that they arent as professional as they would like us to believe in response to all the "ccbill is a conservative bastion of moral and financial righteousness" posts. all i'm pointing out is that everybody has a history. good thing about being me is that nobody has to prove i'm a dick.. it's obvious __________________ <a href="http://www.adultplatinum.com/"><img src="http://www.adult.com/wmbanners/10dcash-468x60.gif"></a>

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02-18-2004, 09:27 PM	#105
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02-18-2004, 10:25 PM	#117
Why MFBA Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: PNW Posts: 7,230	i worked for arlo. and he is a smart business man. i could only think of two reasons he would post this. a) he knows something the rest of us dont. b) he wanted to piss in thier cheerios. id go with a. people like lightspeed come in here spouting about what ccbill told him last week. just think about that for a second. no one is going to tell you the boat is sinking before it does. they will just keep on keeping on. however, i personaly think epoch or ibill will be next to fall. epoch for thier lack enforcement on cross sales and non-disclosure, they were basically letting thier larger clients get away with shitloads of shady shit. and still are. i dunno too much about iBill but i do know they have lost a lot of business over the last few years. i think sms billing and other methods will be on the rise very rapidly. with the bush administration poised to do this business in, i forsee visa and MC cracking down on us harder and harder. again, these are just MY thoughts and opinions.

02-18-2004, 10:50 PM	#122
J.R. WantBoobs.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Calif & Washington Posts: 3,472	Keep in mind.. Epoch was one of the few processors who kicked out programs with high chargebacks and countless problems several years ago. iBill opened their doors by saying.. COME ONE COME ALL! iBill can kiss my ass, they fucked me 3 times in 2003 for 15k and all of it was their screw ups. I send 90% of my sales to Epoch and 10% to CCBill.

02-18-2004, 10:58 PM	#124
makefuckingmoney Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,277	hmm ccbill has been very conservative in comparison to other billing company's.. id find it hard to believe they would go under..

02-18-2004, 11:08 PM	#127
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by integrated the big question is when will visa/master card go out of business? adult industry is the biggest revenue streams for them so if they cut us off they will go down too -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- YOU ARE ON CRACK.

02-18-2004, 11:14 PM	#133
Meloman Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Sacramento,CA Posts: 1,540	Wow this is a funny post. I don't know about Hoopers statements about CCbill but this I do know: 1. Adult internet is a small, small, small part of Visa's revenue. They give fuck all about us in the grand scheme of things. 2. Of course you can process over 250K a month with either Visa/MC. Shit if that was the most a company could process none of us would be around. I know AFFILIATES that make that much, let alone a whole program. 3. Most large programs use 3rd party billing and they do millions per month. There's isn't anything stupid about using a 3rd party biller if you're doing 3 million a month. Hustler processes with Jettis in fact. Just my

02-18-2004, 11:17 PM	#137
Hooper Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: A Free America Posts: 2,210	at least be forthright about why most of the biggest programs use 3rd party billing and how they wound up using it. but i agree, the 250k cap is something that was just pulled out of somebody's butt. __________________ <a href="http://www.adultplatinum.com/"><img src="http://www.adult.com/wmbanners/10dcash-468x60.gif"></a>

02-18-2004, 11:39 PM	#140
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	A lot of programs that do millions a month still use a third party processor. They just negotiate the rate much lower than everyone else. Just think for a second.... if you are moving millions a month and have a nice rate through a third party that TAKES ALL THE RISKS FOR YOU, don't you think you'd do it? No question.

02-18-2004, 11:46 PM	#141
andi_germany Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 768	I cannot fucking believe some guys making money in porn. I would not be surprised if CCBill would sue your ass Hooper. If they were go under they can actually claim it was part fault of a slander post by you on the biggest adult webmaster board and you would be liable as many non adult judgements have proven. Your post obviously is just done to hurt them because you are pissed you have to change processors. If CCBill would have to go out of CC processing there would be others to fall as well with no 3rd party CC billing left. Checks, 900 billing and dialers would be the only alternatives to bill and if I remember right CCBill offers all 3 of those options. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

02-18-2004, 11:51 PM	#144
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02-19-2004, 12:06 AM	#147
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