Then it would be the one for the govt to go after first in their revived plans to clean up America?

Show us some figures because I think you're wrong

Heh... I find that Visa/Mastercard statement to be one of the funniest things I've heard all day :1orglaugh

aparently, compared to you.

I didn't mean to be rude, but that was a pretty rediculous statement, and I had a hard time keeping my ass in my chair.

I would move everything over to DMR

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where do you get this stuff?

I thought this was the best you could do...

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=238269 :1orglaugh

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

holy shit, I'm going to puke out my nose!

it would really suck if they went down.
i would venture a guess to say they own50-60% processing for adults?

ppl would be fucked.

but in any case..




The chinese character for crisis is the same for opportunity.

It's called Board Character University and he's pretty good at it. :1orglaugh He's just subtle/dry enough, that it makes it even funnier.

CCbill is anti-spam? Since when?

Visa's annual income is in the Trillions of dollars, adult combined with video and toys at best generates low billions, they'd hardly even notice us gone.

You think Verotel's gonna stick around?

Are you on fuckin' glue? Adult is a tiny % of what they do.

Not the way they are operating..........they will be the next Probilling

i worked for arlo. and he is a smart business man. i could only think of two reasons he would post this.

a) he knows something the rest of us dont.
b) he wanted to piss in thier cheerios.

id go with a.

people like lightspeed come in here spouting about what ccbill told him last week. just think about that for a second. no one is going to tell you the boat is sinking before it does. they will just keep on keeping on.

however, i personaly think epoch or ibill will be next to fall. epoch for thier lack enforcement on cross sales and non-disclosure, they were basically letting thier larger clients get away with shitloads of shady shit. and still are.

i dunno too much about iBill but i do know they have lost a lot of business over the last few years.

i think sms billing and other methods will be on the rise very rapidly. with the bush administration poised to do this business in, i forsee visa and MC cracking down on us harder and harder.

again, these are just MY thoughts and opinions.

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I have bashed CCBill more then anyone else, and I have always been paid by them. So that is a non-issue.

Mike,

not to throw shit in the fire, but I gotta admit in yrs. past you have done your ball busting on ccbill...

Please tell me you are joking? If not what was all this about?

Keep in mind..

Epoch was one of the few processors who
kicked out programs with high chargebacks and countless
problems several years ago.

iBill opened their doors by saying.. COME ONE COME ALL!

iBill can kiss my ass, they fucked me 3 times in 2003
for 15k and all of it was their screw ups.

I send 90% of my sales to Epoch and 10% to CCBill.

In my opinion one has to be really stupid to still use a 3rd party processor when he makes 3 mil/mon then again if a person is stupid he couldn't possibly make 3 mil/mon. So basically, please let people inflate a number as long as they stay within a limit :winkwink:

hmm
ccbill has been very conservative in comparison to other billing company's..

id find it hard to believe they would go under..

You want me to tell the story of how that happened and bring the Netpond posts that started it? And you wanna tell everyone how you and I worked together to create a join page that was so good that someone stole it a month later?

Hoop, I love you (amazing we've come that far lol), and I dont think you meant to start this like it is, and you know what? I havent read anything past the post I quoted -- if its all over and done with then I apologize for dragging it on but you are quick to temper and so am I :)

So now I'm gonna go back and read and if I owe you an apology when I'm done, then you'll get it.

if not all,the majority of the biggest sponsors use 3rd-part processors

quote:
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Originally posted by integrated
the big question is when will visa/master card go out of business?

adult industry is the biggest revenue streams for them so if they cut us off they will go down too
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YOU ARE ON CRACK.

Yeah I'd go with 'a' too.. he prolly knows something that even God himself doesn't know about yet.. since ccbill liked him so much they just told him all their business secrets even let him audit them.. uh no it was actually VISA. I say VISA loves him spills all their secret in his ears :helpme C'mon man he already told you that he's got beef with CCBill for whatever reason and he's taking it on 'em now he's done with 'em that's all.

this is about ccbill, i was merely pointing out that they arent as professional as they would like us to believe in response to all the "ccbill is a conservative bastion of moral and financial righteousness" posts.

all i'm pointing out is that everybody has a history.

good thing about being me is that nobody has to prove i'm a dick.. it's obvious :)

not advisable !

i remember that. you dont have anything to apologize for kk.

it's funny how pisses go, every piss ends up being rememberd like a vacation.. no matter how ugly it is, eventually somebody looks back on it with fond memories :)

Think most use their own merchant account with gateway service from 3rd parties kinda like netbilling.. diff story.

Wow this is a funny post.

I don't know about Hoopers statements about CCbill but this I do know:

1. Adult internet is a small, small, small part of Visa's revenue. They give fuck all about us in the grand scheme of things.

2. Of course you can process over 250K a month with either Visa/MC. Shit if that was the most a company could process none of us would be around. I know AFFILIATES that make that much, let alone a whole program.

3. Most large programs use 3rd party billing and they do millions per month. There's isn't anything stupid about using a 3rd party biller if you're doing 3 million a month. Hustler processes with Jettis in fact.

Just my :2 cents:

Wiseman clearing throat, AMEN!!!! YOU ARE A FUCKING DICK!!!!

Hmm, that might be true. You've got me curious now. I'm gonna have to ask the big hochos how we do it, lol.

Woah shit, monkeys are flying out of my ass.

at least be forthright about why most of the biggest programs use 3rd party billing and how they wound up using it.

but i agree, the 250k cap is something that was just pulled out of somebody's butt.

Hustler pocesses Jettis too right? Btw, 250k cap is simply wrong, ain't no such cap.

Sort of. Ken Lawson owns Jettis. He also owns Webquest which runs FlyntDigital (Hustler.com).

But they are techniqually 2 totally seperate companies I think. But I don't know for sure, not my department, lol

A lot of programs that do millions a month still use a third party processor. They just negotiate the rate much lower than everyone else.

Just think for a second.... if you are moving millions a month and have a nice rate through a third party that TAKES ALL THE RISKS FOR YOU, don't you think you'd do it?

No question.

I cannot fucking believe some guys making money in porn. I would not be surprised if CCBill would sue your ass Hooper.

If they were go under they can actually claim it was part fault of a slander post by you on the biggest adult webmaster board and you would be liable as many non adult judgements have proven.


Your post obviously is just done to hurt them because you are pissed you have to change processors. If CCBill would have to go out of CC processing there would be others to fall as well with no 3rd party CC billing left. Checks, 900 billing and dialers would be the only alternatives to bill and if I remember right CCBill offers all 3 of those options.

CCBill actually processes for your celeb sites?

Hmmmmm.....

So there you go 3rd party is really a 1st party there lol. Btw, I gotta take this back.. there may in fact be a cap by an issuing bank (not VISA/MC) depending on individual/business, their business model and other shit according to a friend of mine with multiple merchant accounts.

Yep Donovan, well said :)

what he said !

the day one of the top3 go under is a real bad day for the adult biz !

tickles, doesnt it?

:sleep

I dont think they've been fined in a while.

I agree.