Chris

I was doing some work for someone goi ng thru a huge list of sponsors on there site. I had to remove dead links or make any changes that needed done. I say a good 60% of all those rev share ccbill 5050 type of companys where all dead.


Do you feel safe using a fly by night ccbill type of site ?

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In one way, it is far too easy to set up with someone like ccbill - But as ccbill send the checks, you are not on to a hiding to nothing -

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Small CCBill sites are sometimes the only ones with content that caters to certain niches.

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Yeah i dunno .. i dont use any ccbill sponsors or even rev share ones at that. All seems like that they go poof within ayear

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I agree - But many come to the table with good content and can't back it up with a solid marketing plan - Shame - But that's the way it goes quite often

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Problem to begin with is simply relying on a 50/50 in the first place...

Basically the program is killed by the webmasters.

Sure traffic is nice, sure maybe the site even retains however...

your splitting a reasonable 50/50 site up with maybe 25 bucks.

Split to 12.50
deduct processor fee's another 2 bucks.
deduct bandwidth useage per member average 3 bucks maybe.

deduct what ever with content plugins over head...

sponsor is left with maybe 4 bucks Per member and thats being generous.

With new content, and development to keep ahead or move forward ya gonna loose more.

Bank 3 bucks per member if even that...
500 members make merely $1500.

Ya might get the gist of my description there but basically...

Thats not getting ahead.
There are other ways of getting ahead...

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same thing with PPS sponsor though if you think about it. THey pay us 25$ a sign up on a 20$ sign up

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Yeah and they are crossing the sale to inflate payouts for ya guys...

I have always said this...

I do not have the heart for this business really. If I were ruthless like many of the "successful" people in this business I just might have had a huge mansion in the Hollywood West Hills many years ago.

I know what it takes to be rich in this business...
I just can't do it.

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Rot really the same -
When you get involved with pps you are either already set up and have a rock solid marketing/cross sell/upsell/email campaign in place, or you come to the industry with a fist full of dollars to throw around, knowing what you need to do to compete.

Starting up at 50/50 is less of a risk etc - But it still comes down to marketing -

As was pointed out, at 50/50 you end up with 3-4 bucks per member -

So you have to have your own member generating marking plan in place first - The partner split then enhances your work -
If you start simply with little cash - A great product - And a marketing plan to get other webmasters to do the bulk of the work for you, you will probably end up broke pretty quick -

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NO revshare?

Icy

As Harlot Cash said, the key when you run a small program is not the afiliates signups but your owns. The afiliate signups just make you gain volume and get better future deals with billing/content/host companies.
I don't own a credit card paysite but a dialer company, when i started i had to offer almost the same rates that i had. At first i struggled as i paid 30 days before me getting the money from the operators. That was a high risk for me but helped me to get a good amount of webmasters and increase a lot my minutes volume. After some time, my volume was high enought to ask for better pay rates from the lines providers and to get more respected as big company by webmasters, operators, banks etc as i moved a good amount of minutes and payment throught the banks.
During that time, my income came from my own minutes and hard work promoting it myself while the affiliates were only for volume. You get the same $60 from 2x$30 signpus than if you get 102x$30 signups and pay $3000 to your affiliates, but your prestige is much better, imho, that is the key, struggle at first, promote the site yourself and just get affiliates for volume, it will pay off in the long term if you're able to survive, take the risk at the right time and are patient enought. Of course any risk taken could lead to success or bankrupt, that is why we see small companies coming and leaving.

scooby doo as scooby does

I started to reply to this, but it's an extremely complicated topic and I ended up nearly writing an essay cos I'm bored.

Basically, with PPS, you sling yer mega amounts of hits and hope some sticks, which it often does.

With revshare, a little more knowledge is required. The gains for affiliate and webmaster are in retention. That means as an affiliate you need to know your niche and your niches sites. I know my niche inside out cos I'm a fan my profit from revshare is far, far greater than anything I could see from PPS. (and I have throughly tried PPS).

The knowledge required for revshare includes knowing which sites are crap and which are good and likely to retain. It includes knowing that they are not hosted on some virtual server paying daft bandwidth prices. It includes knowing the site is NOT filled with plugins etc. etc.

Thinking, 'oh, I have granny traffic, lets sign up a few ccbill granny sites' just wont cut it.
Also, getting your sites to run as revshare from this board wont cut it. 'Sponsor presence on this board does not necessarily equal quality' (ack, actually, far from it, have you seen the niche sites most of the large sponsors on this board run ? Complete crap).

You can't make good money from revshare if you don't know your niche and your sites. If you do, the gains are way better than PPS. If you don't, stick with PPS.

Still an essay

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bigdog

you forgot about exit traffic,upsells,and emails

SubAms

Good Post

Tipsy

Not really he didn't. For the most part here we're talking about smaller programs/people, the type that often go under quickly. It's rare for these people to know how to successfully use and profit from exit traffic, upsells and e-mails. Making money from those sources is almost an art form in itself and few of them manage it with any success.

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Hi!

A friend of mine and i working on a new program. Yes, it's this sort of program that is discussed here.

Most of the things that were written here are correct and i have to agree. I think it isn't easy at all to start a new and really unique revshare program. Like others said ... you have to do much work on your own ... and for your own. I am a webmaster in this biz for nearly 2 years now and i saw many revshare programs coming and going as fast as they were coming.

Many of these programs that are died have used content that is spreaded all over the net. Simply overused content. And now tell me ... how are the chances to get new webmasters and members with this kind of content? I think they are more than bad.

I can say that the content we are using as promotional material is 100% exclusive and it's nearly impossible to find it elsewhere. It's quality content and our sites you are promoting with this content are also quality sites.

Quality before quanitity. That's what we think.

Hope my post wasn't too extreme out of the line and spammy. If so .... who cares

Dopy

A good reply.



I am 100% revshare and have been for over 3 years. My niche is 90% teen with some non nude. You must get a look inside the site before spending time on promotion. Some one girl sites interact with menbers and keep them for a very long time. If you have proof of being able to send traffic most will let you in for free. Many small site owners will even allow you to take samples of the latest updates and even provide custom entry points.

When you drop a site and checks are still coming in one year later you soon realise the benefits of running a good revshare program. When I move out of this biz later this year I will be getting a very nice income for quite some time.


Its not difficult to spot revshare sites that wont last.

Harlot Cash

Holy sh*t !

A whole thread on gfy that is not only informative, but without tantrums and name calling!!!

JupZChris should be awarded a medal for starting this one!!!

And - Some more useful points - content - It is important to provide totally unique content for smaller and mid-size sites and regular updating is also a must - Any form of interation certainly helps with retention.
As for checking out potential partner members' areas - True - Ask the programme operators for a pass - If they will not give you one, why not?

... Come to think of it - That is something we have never given - Because we never thought of it!
But anyone looking at our sites to promote - You are certainly welcome to have a good look round -

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Zebra

Don't forget the partnership programs that ARE successful and not in danger of going anywhere.

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some_idiot

These days ANY program can be gone in a few weeks. Let's
not forget so soon the IPSP shakeout of last year. That killed
more programs than greedy/shadey program owners.
Even just 1 vengeful ex-affiliate/employee can stop a program
in it's tracks with a wide spread false accusation.

BTW the MoneyDolls is alive kicking and paying on time as it has
for the last 2 years.

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I think you hit the nail right on the head.

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the most intelligent post i've read all week.

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PhotoGreggXXX

Have to agree with harlot. Their sites are very niche related. We have numerous customers that order custom niche content from us, and the feedback from the webmasters is amazing.

Even changing the tour to play off the custom and exclusive content helps. Panty Site gets custom stuff from us twice a week, and when they changed their tour to reflect that, sales went up significantly.

There's been tons of spanking sites, but when EscortBiz opened up .BadTushy with exclusive, new content, they kicked other spanking sites in the ass

For niche sites, spend a bit more and get the right content

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The stats quoted in the original post say more about new businesses than about revshare programs. Around 65% of all business start-ups fail within the first year and 80% within 5 years.

I don't see anything in either PPS or revshare that makes one model intrinsically stronger than the other: at least in the short-term.

PPS programs burn the initial investment faster, but a PPS program is much more likely to attract affiliates. Although many will be unproductive and some will try to cheat, it should be easier to get some serious volume going. The outflow of capital may be slower with a revshare site, but it will take a lot longer to reach sales levels that give the necessary economy of scale.

We also over-generalize about the sites behind PPS and revshare programs. PPS usually does mean cross-sells, upsells, email marketing, etc. But it doesn't have to. Some PPS programs are doing all the right things to retain their members, while many revshare programs make little attempt to do so.

It takes skill and funding to succeed with either business model. Working to get recurring billings is maybe easier and the best long-term model, because it isn't really that hard to figure out what the customer wants and give it to him. But relying on cross-sells, etc., means that you are constantly trying to push surfers a bit further than they really want to go. So your methods must keep changing as existing techniques get burned out. And that gets harder as time goes by.

I certainly see that as an affiliate. Although some of the programs I signed with years ago are still well-known names, I long since gave up on them as a serious source of income. These days if I'm going PPS, I'm likely to jump on new sites/programs and bail out after a couple of months. Against that, although I have only found 30 or so really solid revshare sites to promote, my income from them is good, year in and year out.

Chris

I meant those ' fly by night ' partnership programs. Programs taht dont have even there own two feet to stand on

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