Justice Dept. moves to crack down on pornography

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In a survey two years ago, Adult Video News, a trade publication based in Chatsworth, Calif., identified Taylor as one of the top ?enemies? of the industry. The story was titled: ?These Are the Folks Who Want to Put You Out of Business.?

Taylor, who in recent years has headed a conservative advocacy group fighting for tougher regulation of the Internet, has been given the title of ?senior counsel? within the criminal division at Justice, with a focus principally on federal adult obscenity issues.




ugly

[m00d]

Another sleepless night for me..

[PhotoGreggXXX]

interesting, but I'm sure they're going after the big name players like Hustler, etc.

The department has made other moves recently to shore up its anti-porn effort, including assigning for the first time in years a team of FBI agents to focus exclusively on adult-obscenity cases. In his fiscal 2005 budget proposal released this month, President Bush sought increased spending to fight obscenity; it was one of the few spending increases -- besides for anti-terrorist efforts -- in the otherwise austere proposal.

[greentea]

Aschroft started with the 420 community and now his porn crusade has begun. This is not going to be fun, sooner we can get bush and co out of office the better we all will be!!!

[stocktrader23]

Originally posted by greentea
Aschroft started with the 420 community and now his porn crusade has begun. This is not going to be fun, sooner we can get bush and co out of office the better we all will be!!!

Maybe they'll go after 12clicks first.

[doober]

Originally posted by stocktrader23


Maybe they'll go after 12clicks first.

[wimpy]

Originally posted by LegendaryLars
Taylor, who in recent years has headed a conservative advocacy group fighting for tougher regulation of the Internet, has been given the title of ?senior counsel? within the criminal division at Justice, with a focus principally on federal adult obscenity issues.

ugly

Everyone seems so scared of this guy, but I've read some articles he's written and he seems pretty reasonable. He says that he won't bring cases against nudity, bj, even basic fucking sites, if I recall correctly, because he thinks he'd never get a conviction. Wise man, Taylor.

OTOH, if you have anything very "hard and kinky" then yes, be worried. He's out for you, and you can bet it will happen soon, before the election.

[JFK]

Originally posted by wimpy


Everyone seems so scared of this guy, but I've read some articles he's written and he seems pretty reasonable. He says that he won't bring cases against nudity, bj, even basic fucking sites, if I recall correctly, because he thinks he'd never get a conviction. Wise man, Taylor.

OTOH, if you have anything very "hard and kinky" then yes, be worried. He's out for you, and you can bet it will happen soon, before the election.

Its just a Sleazy (no pun intended ) election ploy

[neewwman]

Originally posted by wimpy


Everyone seems so scared of this guy, but I've read some articles he's written and he seems pretty reasonable. He says that he won't bring cases against nudity, bj, even basic fucking sites, if I recall correctly, because he thinks he'd never get a conviction. Wise man, Taylor.

To the contrary, he's an absolute fanatic. I saw him at a symposium about "Pornography and the Law" at Pepperdine University. He was bragging that when he was a prosecutor he used to bring cases -- and get convictions -- against plain vanilla hard core sites.

I'm thinking about joining the Free Speech Coalition -- we need someone on our side here.

[<IMX>]

Originally posted by stocktrader23


Maybe they'll go after 12clicks first.

[synergysex]

Originally posted by PhotoGreggXXX
interesting, but I'm sure they're going after the big name players like Hustler, etc.

Maybe. But if I was in thier shoes, I'd do exactly the opposite.

I would go after the mom and pop shops, small content producers and small advertising programs (and in the grand scheme of things, all of these advertising programs are small fries except for a few titans) - people that can't afford to mount a defense against the government or would eventually be worn down and give up. Use these small frys to get the momentium going before going after the top dogs.

Religious nuts are one of the most dangerious threats to freedom of speech. And I dont give a shit what anyone says or thinks to the contrary - pornography IS art and art is protected by the first amendment.

[lakeview]

I still don't understand who they're going after.
anyone who runs a hardcore site? producers of content?
or only simulated violent sex (as mentioned in that article)?

[IKE]

Originally posted by stocktrader23


Maybe they'll go after 12clicks first.

HAHAHAHAHA

[crockett]

This is the shit that always cracks me up

Officials said the appointment of Bruce A. Taylor, who worked in the department during the heyday of its anti-porn efforts in the late 1980s and early ?90s, shows that Justice is serious about cracking down on porn after what critics called lax enforcement by the Clinton administration

They freeking blame it all on Clinton..lol well WTF has good ole gerorgy bushwhipped been doing for the last 4 years, if all this porn was so bad?

[goBigtime]

You guys will think Bush's first 4 years will have been tame by comparison.


Imagine that he's been 'playing it safe' so far so he could get re-elected.

[goBigtime]

Originally posted by lakeview
I still don't understand who they're going after

Everyone.

[cluck]

Puritans started this country, puritans will cause it's end.

Unless the puritans are whiped out in a bloody class war

[synergysex]

Originally posted by crockett
This is the shit that always cracks me up

Officials said the appointment of Bruce A. Taylor, who worked in the department during the heyday of its anti-porn efforts in the late 1980s and early ?90s, shows that Justice is serious about cracking down on porn after what critics called lax enforcement by the Clinton administration

They freeking blame it all on Clinton..lol well WTF has good ole gerorgy bushwhipped been doing for the last 4 years, if all this porn was so bad?

The corporate media is - for the most part - owned by Republicans, which is why Bush - who is Hitler and Stalin merged into one compared to Clinton - has for the most part let the adminstration off the hook on everything. Of course, this isnt suprising because all media companies are quite financially solvent and the Republican party is the rich people's (and wanna be rich people's) party.

[pornguy]

I think that the best way to handel these guys that are going to clean the internet of pron is to beat them at their own game...

You can bet your white or brown ass that they are as guilty of some of the things they charge people with... Do you believe that these asshole have never hired a hooker?? Do you believe that they have never gone into a strip club and paid the dancers?? Do you think that they have never joined as adult website? If you do then you are a fool...


If you expose them, then you will ruin them. You will destroy the holier than thou attitude that they have. It just comes down to finding the proof. And I am sure that the proof is out there somewhere. The media seems to find amazing things against people running for office. I am sure that some of these guys that are against the porn industry have hired hookers, bought magazines to jerk off to and things that we dont want to talk about.

Hell I read the other day that the catholic church has had 1500 priests charged with sexual abuse in on way or anoother since like 1930 something. So what do you think that the politicians are doing. They are fucking everything that moves. Destroy their credibility and you destroy them in any court.

Just my and now I will go fuck myself!

[cluck]

Originally posted by pornguy
I think that the best way to handel these guys that are going to clean the internet of pron is to beat them at their own game...

You can bet your white or brown ass that they are as guilty of some of the things they charge people with... Do you believe that these asshole have never hired a hooker?? Do you believe that they have never gone into a strip club and paid the dancers?? Do you think that they have never joined as adult website? If you do then you are a fool...


If you expose them, then you will ruin them. You will destroy the holier than thou attitude that they have. It just comes down to finding the proof. And I am sure that the proof is out there somewhere. The media seems to find amazing things against people running for office. I am sure that some of these guys that are against the porn industry have hired hookers, bought magazines to jerk off to and things that we dont want to talk about.

Hell I read the other day that the catholic church has had 1500 priests charged with sexual abuse in on way or anoother since like 1930 something. So what do you think that the politicians are doing. They are fucking everything that moves. Destroy their credibility and you destroy them in any court.

Just my and now I will go fuck myself!

Who says we take donations and pool the money to hire a damn good private investigator?

[cluck]

Another quote from our buddy:

"That's why we could say safely, without blaspheming or defaming anybody, that just about everything on the Internet and almost everything in the video stores and everything in the adult bookstores is still prosecutable -- illegal obscenity."

[pornguy]

I could come up with a few bucks for that!

[lakeview]

Originally posted by goBigtime



Everyone.

I wonder if he threw a blanket over his tv last week when Janet flashed her tit.

[illusion]

People would go crazy if porn was banned.

[directfiesta]

where are the brainwashed right-winger ????

12shits, Loryn-adult, Rooster, Metaman, Galleyseek, and so on...

No later than 2-3 days ago, they stated that porn was more prosecuted under Clinton than under any other administration...

On the other hand, yes, vote blindly for Bush. We will pick up the slack here....

[Maximillion]

Porn mags will never get banned so how can online porn?

[goBigtime]

Originally posted by lakeview

....last week when Janet flashed her tit.

All part of the plan.

[IKE]

Originally posted by Maximillion
Porn mags will never get banned so how can online porn?

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This is a retarded post. 10 years ago the mags didn't show insertions now they do. Obscenity is always illegal.

No safeharbors.

[Matt_WildCash]

I just hope they don't start targeting hosting and billing services, and just stick to taking on USA obsenity. Being outside the USA and doing kinky and rough stuff hopefully will still be safe. I'm waiting for the day they make all the extreme sites illiegal.

[tony286]

Originally posted by directfiesta
where are the brainwashed right-winger ????

12shits, Loryn-adult, Rooster, Metaman, Galleyseek, and so on...

No later than 2-3 days ago, they stated that porn was more prosecuted under Clinton than under any other administration...

On the other hand, yes, vote blindly for Bush. We will pick up the slack here....

They dont have a clue ,they went after no one during clinton thats why porn exploded. Republicans love going after porn , remember the Meese commision that was during the time when Ronnie was pres. People were put in jail, lives were ruined.

[tony286]

But on the other hand ,alot of people in our industry have been very irresponsible. Pushing the edge further and further to make a few bucks. You would be shocked the number of people without any 2257 and use the us mail to send porn. We all know of sites that push it too far ,the processors process them and we say nothing because people say its none of our business but thats not true. Say they decide based on the new mastercard thing they arent buying from you, they are buying from your processor . The processor gets busted for some fucked up site and gets closed . Anybody who processes with that processor is now fucked, at that point is it ok to have opinion about others business practices? People have been saying we have to police our selves no one cared and now the hammer will come down.

I am voting democrat not because I think they are better , they all suck . I am voting democrat to get a new attorney general.

[Paul Markham]

Originally posted by illusion
People would go crazy if porn was banned.

At last someone with more than two working brain cells says something.

Politicians have been "Gunning for porn" for decades, have they stopped it or reduced it? Problem here is very few here were in porn prior to Bush and a miniscule amount prior to Clinton.

I was producing porn when Regan was in office. And still in it.

Bush is looking for votes and has little to show as a reason for the masses to re-elect him. So he's on another "Crusade", but can you imagine the reaction from the millions of consumers of porn if it disappeared? Few will admit to buying it, but when it comes to election time it will only take 2-3% to swing and he's out. He's already got the ultra conservative vote, if the anti porn campaign worked he would lose votes.

If you're shooting/publishing Sweet or Max Hardcore material be worried, if it's normal porn, get on with your work or get out of the business.

[Paul Markham]

Originally posted by IKE
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This is a retarded post. 10 years ago the mags didn't show insertions now they do. Obscenity is always illegal.

No safeharbors.

This is a retard post. Where are the prosecutions for all the insertion pics?

[mardigras]

Originally posted by lakeview
I still don't understand who they're going after.
anyone who runs a hardcore site? producers of content?
or only simulated violent sex (as mentioned in that article)?

Probably some of all of the above...

[mardigras]

Originally posted by cluck


Who says we take donations and pool the money to hire a damn good private investigator?

Hire Larry Flynt's investigator

[Paul Markham]

Originally posted by tony404
But on the other hand ,alot of people in our industry have been very irresponsible. Pushing the edge further and further to make a few bucks. You would be shocked the number of people without any 2257 and use the us mail to send porn. We all know of sites that push it too far ,the processors process them and we say nothing because people say its none of our business but thats not true. Say they decide based on the new mastercard thing they arent buying from you, they are buying from your processor . The processor gets busted for some fucked up site and gets closed . Anybody who processes with that processor is now fucked, at that point is it ok to have opinion about others business practices? People have been saying we have to police our selves no one cared and now the hammer will come down.

I am voting democrat not because I think they are better , they all suck . I am voting democrat to get a new attorney general.

Good point, the envelope pushers are trouble and are goint to give Bush a reason to campaign the rest of us are bad.

I could not understand why everyone was wishing Steve Sweet success in his trial, the guy has put us in the limelight and people against porn now present us as doing the same stuff.

[JackRoyal]

Originally posted by wimpy


Everyone seems so scared of this guy, but I've read some articles he's written and he seems pretty reasonable. He says that he won't bring cases against nudity, bj, even basic fucking sites, if I recall correctly, because he thinks he'd never get a conviction. Wise man, Taylor.

OTOH, if you have anything very "hard and kinky" then yes, be worried. He's out for you, and you can bet it will happen soon, before the election.

The venerable Taylor shares some of his wisedom with the House Telecommunications committee:

"...I support efforts to create a children?s domain on the Web where the rules are written for their protection and the adults who build and supply that domain are bound by those rules. I adamantly oppose the creation of a ?dot porn? or ?dot sex? domain, because I don?t think we should elevate the pornography syndicates to a seat at the World Wide Web consortium or legitimize their ill-gotten gains and because I don?t trust them to stay on their own vice domain and get off the cash-cow of the dot com domain. They?ll take the red-light district and fill it with porn and prostitution, but they?ll never leave our children and families alone in the rest of cyberspace anymore than they do today. "

Hear that? Syndicates, ill-gotten gains, harassing children and families? Sounds reasonable to me.

I've always wondered why they think online pornographers target children. Children do not have credit cards. Do they think that the models work pro-bono and just like the attention?

[davidd]

Originally posted by synergysex


The corporate media is - for the most part - owned by Republicans, which is why Bush - who is Hitler and Stalin merged into one compared to Clinton - has for the most part let the adminstration off the hook on everything. Of course, this isnt suprising because all media companies are quite financially solvent and the Republican party is the rich people's (and wanna be rich people's) party.

Put down the lighter.

Now put down the crack pipe.

Do you honestly, 100%, believe that the media is controlled by the Republicans? The media is and has been ruled by some of the most liberal whackos this side of France.

It is only until recently that the Republicans, or more to the point, NON-socialists have had a venue.

-dd

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man fuck that old taylor nigga....

[xxxplicit]

kk.... CAn the government really go up against playboy and hustler? that would be a very interesting battle in the courts :O

[JDog]

Everybody seems so scared and worried? Why? Are you not doing something right? are you producing movies in states you can't? Are you shipping movies where you shouldn't?

If you are in the legal area, you've got no problem, but if you're doing one or more illegal things, like a few listed about, you're gonna/need to be scared & worried!

I'm not worried for anything I'm doing or what our company is doing! Why? Because we follow the laws and know what is going to be obsenity!

jDoG

[davidd]

Originally posted by tony404
But on the other hand ,alot of people in our industry have been very irresponsible. Pushing the edge further and further to make a few bucks. You would be shocked the number of people without any 2257 and use the us mail to send porn. We all know of sites that push it too far ,the processors process them and we say nothing because people say its none of our business but thats not true. Say they decide based on the new mastercard thing they arent buying from you, they are buying from your processor . The processor gets busted for some fucked up site and gets closed . Anybody who processes with that processor is now fucked, at that point is it ok to have opinion about others business practices? People have been saying we have to police our selves no one cared and now the hammer will come down.

I am voting democrat not because I think they are better , they all suck . I am voting democrat to get a new attorney general.

Tony, in the past I have often times gone after your postings with great vengence because of your obvious massive leanings towards everything non-Republican.

This post is different.

I agree with your post. The one thing the fear mongers forget is that general pornography was never and will never be a target. It is the people who have pushed the envelope and continue to taunt the system. If you go on nationwide TV and flaunt your scat and fisting videos. You are asking for trouble. If you satirize a well known christian leader, and taunt the US govt, you will be targeted.

I find the people who sit and worry about getting indicted are the ones that have the least to worry about.

One note about your last statement. The president dictates the agenda for the Attorney General. Thus I do not blame Janet Reno 100% for the wholesale massacre of innocent people. Nor do I lay the wholesale liquidation of this country's sovereignty on her back. I blame the former president. She knew where not to go in Florida during her failed campaign so she is not as stupid as once thought. I am truly amazed she is still alive.

As for John Ashhahahahaha, I predicted when he was appointed we would see no heat from him. All these people are still living in fear that he is knocking on the door. Well where is he? He is no where to be found near us, because 99.99% of this industry are not breaking ANY laws. My only suggestion to anyone on this board who has an open mind is to put the fear int he drawer and stop watching the nightly news. I see it all too often that people in the US are constantly bombarded with fear that they forget that it is not necessary to worry about the boogie man.

Charly - Do you notice the difference in news coverage between the US and the rest of the world?

-dd

[davidd]

Originally posted by greentea
Aschroft started with the 420 community and now his porn crusade has begun. This is not going to be fun, sooner we can get bush and co out of office the better we all will be!!!

Put the weed down man, and look in the mirror. Long term exposure to marijuana has proven to cause psychosis.

If you have forgotten, DRUGS ARE ILLEGAL! This includes the green Northern Lights ablaze in your hookah.

To compare the DOJ's clamp down on people selling illegal paraphenalia for consuming controlled substances is like comparing local police arresting car thieves with people selling flash lights at the convience store. APPLES AND ORANGES.

-dd

Why do people often forget this is not organized crime and we are not doing anything illegal.

If these issues cause you so much worry, get out of the business. I think most of this is to cover for a deep seeded hatred for the sitting president.

[tony286]

Thanks dd but as far as the media being liberal. If that truly was the case the Rush Limbaugh story wouldnt of been broke by the National Enquirer .

[kane]

I don't think the sky is falling yet.

It is common knowlege that Bush and Ashhahahahaha were putting together an anti-porn task force right after the election and then the 9-11 attacks occured and derailed it. Which means while the FBI was worrying about boobs terroist were coming into our country. When this guy got his convictions it was in the 80's and early 90's things have dramatically changed since then. Porn is now more than ever a part of mainstream society. The government has tried 3 cases recently for obscenity and lost. One was a fisting movie involving semour butts and the prosecuters cut a deal after the opening statements because they saw that the jury wasn't buying it.

In Utah there was recently a case where they went after a video store owner. He ended up winning his case when they showed that in provo utah the amount of pay per view porn sales over cable and sattelite are twice what they are in the average city of that size and how the hotel across the street from the courthouse had 12 pay per view porn channels availible in every room.

With the internet they can go after you wherever the site can be seen. So just because you are in california and your hosting is in arizona they can still go after you in oklahoma. That could potentially be a very dificult thing for us to overcome. But I think in the end they will be going after the hardest stuff and the stuff that pushes the envelope first because it is with them that they have the best chance of winning.

in the end it may not matter much because I think there is a very good chance that bush will be out of office in november

[davidd]

Originally posted by tony404
Thanks dd but as far as the media being liberal. If that truly was the case the Rush Limbaugh story wouldnt of been broke by the National Enquirer .

National Enquirer are the only ones who would pick up the phone. The media is both liberal and a fear machine all in one. Their whole existence is to put more fear in you so you will turn on tomorrow for your next dose.

The best thing I can do for anyone I know is to do an intervention and remove the television from their homes.

Try this, do not watch TV for one week. Tell me how positive you feel after the one week. No newspapers, no Yahoo! news, no periodicals... Just one week with no 'news'. It will change your life.

These petty little issues of who is in the White House, what pointless laws is congress passing to waste my money, who supposedly is about to attack us, etc. etc.

-dd

Do not get involved in the party bullshit. For if there are no more boogie men, you will then start to question the whole system.

[davidd]

Here is the question for all the Doom and Gloomers. Which I am sure only .0005% of the entire GFY board could even attempt to answer.

1. How many people since 1970 have been convicted on pornography/obscenity cases that did NOT include Child Pornography? Using this number, what are the odds of anyone on GFY being prosecuted?

2. Of these cases who brought the majority of them to court? The Federal Government or State governments? OUCH!

3. What politcal affiliation was the president at the time of the prosecutions.

4. Who is more of a danger, people with no clue or people who do not live in fear?

5. Why do people continue to spread fear and bullshit not having any facts to back up their shit spreading?

I would almost be willing to paypal $1000 to anyone who could completely answer all of the above 5 questions. I would of course have the topic pinned for 30 days, so all of the shit spewers could be referred back to it at a later date.

-dd

[xxxplicit]

wait what are they going after..... copyrighted content and shit? or child porn? or hardcore sites? :S or just big names :S

[lock]

as part of an effort to jump-start obscenity prosecutions.

watch your shit