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DraX · 02-14-2004, 10:08 PM

I have had a few days investigation looking into paysites, for my own upcoming projects.

But damn how shitty lots of them are.

First site was a tranny site. Very disappointing, it turned out to be a MEGA SITE. More content of other niches than the actual one. Very unpersonal and not specially surfer friendly. It was basically cluttered with plugins from top to bottom.

I took me awhile to actually come to the real tranny content.

I also had the time looking at teen, lesbian, amateur and a hardcore paysite, from different sponsors. They were all the same except for one teen site that was pretty oki.

Sure they are megasites, but is it really thats what surfers are looking for.

I know its been talked about before, shitty paysites, but it was time to actually take a look behind the scene for myself.

I dont think surfers really wanna be one in the crowd maybe some, but there are lots of surfers won with a cool paysite that works exclusively with the spoken niche. Also dealing with the chance for a surfer to be someone special in the crowd, encourage interactivity and loyalty.

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DraX · 02-14-2004, 10:33 PM

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bignasty · 02-14-2004, 10:33 PM

A few years back I joined a few of them. I had the same experience, they were all the same on the inside even thought they were different niches. Was hard to find what you were looking for in the content. Using the same content seen at a lot of different sites. The chats sucked, the videos were poor quality. The one good thing about one of the sites I joined was the adult games they had, but it wasn't worth paying the $40 a month for that. They were all at big sponsors too. I've found that the smaller sites are a lot better.

powerbubba · 02-14-2004, 10:40 PM

I agree, many have aggressive marketing campaigns but dismal member's area.

DraX · 02-14-2004, 10:55 PM

One thing I forget mentioning:

There was a few paysites promoting penispills, viagra and other pornrelated products.

Could that hurt a surfer more than the other way around.

Probably he went there cause he wanted to see porn not buy pills.

Well sure it works in a supermarket, i buy lots of things i dont plan, but here?
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Big nasty:

"The one good thing about one of the sites I joined was the adult games they had, but it wasn't worth paying the $40 a month for that. They were all at big sponsors too."
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That just sucks, you thought the games were more thrilling than the main thing.

Then it couldnt have been a very good site

integrated · 02-14-2004, 10:57 PM

sorry i have no comments

DraX · 02-14-2004, 10:58 PM

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Originally posted by integrated
sorry i have no comments

You just did lol

take care bro

PMdave · 02-14-2004, 11:06 PM

now imagine what would happen if you were a regular surfer:

- you would probably not have read the small text on the joinpage
>next visabill you see that they charged you again for that site> you think: mmmmm
>next visabill you see that they billed you again
> you are pissed and call the cc company to complain and they do a chargeback for you
>you are glad you get off well this time but wisely conclude to never join a pornsite again

Thank god visa came with the new cb limits, I hope they will get sites like the ones you discribed out of bussiness real soon

sumphatpimp · 02-14-2004, 11:18 PM

yes i agree with all the above.
some day you won't be able to sell porn on the net because of these shit business practices.
these quick buck artists are only making a market for DVD's and Videotapes.
surfers are getting tired of being screwed.

Paul Markham · 02-14-2004, 11:43 PM

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Originally posted by powerbubba
I agree, many have aggressive marketing campaigns but dismal member's area.

when you have people tell you constantly "Traffic is King" and "Too many content providers" what they are really saying is "Throw as much shit at the wall in the hope some will stick" and "I don't know the diference between porn and my arse"

Before I work with someone I look at what they are doing and decide if, we fit each other, whether I'm wasting my time or going to do well with them. I don't just go with the highest bidder or the lowest seller.

How many webmasters do the same?

lock · 02-15-2004, 12:10 AM

The thing that gets me is the people wanting to buy 1 -2 pics only as they want to do graphics and the models they use they havent even used on their sites.

PenisFace · 02-15-2004, 12:12 AM

Well, I've seen a few paysites that have the 900 dollar splash page, but as soon as you get inside, there's a few links that say "gallery #" or "pic page #", and thats it. It fucking pisses me off, its sites like that that turn people away from ever spending money on porn sites again.

DraX · 02-15-2004, 12:58 AM

I hear ya, there's alot of webmasters that shouldnt be allowed to start one.

And i guess thats one of the reasons VISA and other "authorites" sets rules.

Though all rules maybe aint that good, but hopefully sorts out some of the bad shit.

But there are still much left to do

Stephen · 02-15-2004, 10:07 AM

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First site was a tranny site. Very disappointing, it turned out to be a MEGA SITE. More content of other niches than the actual one. Very unpersonal and not specially surfer friendly. It was basically cluttered with plugins from top to bottom.

It's VERY common for a company (read, typical name brand sponsor) that has invested heavily into developing a substantial content base to implement a database driven centralized content management system.

For example, I buy a million images - say 100,000 are blondes, a 100,000 brunettes, 100,000 teen lesbians etc etc. Now not only can I build my "Mega Site" - but I can toss up as many front ends as I want - each targeting a different subset (niche) of my main content, and giving me more opportunities to profit. Using a CMS with different skin overlays allows designers to give a different look and feel to each site, but at the end of the day "all roads lead to Rome..."

Do you really believe that some of these programs that offer 100 different pay sites really have "100 different pay sites"? They may call it that - but what they mean is "100 different front ends" - and the worst of them mean "100 entry pages to see my old Z-Master CD"

Sarah_Jayne · 02-15-2004, 10:19 AM

it also comes down to people throwing up niche paysites without having any understanding at all of the niche. So, just through up some pics and fill the rest with 'filler' from their other sites. I can't tell you the last BBW 'mega site' I joined that was even close to 50% BBWs and even if they were chances are most of those women just had big tits rather than being big anywhere else.

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Trax · 02-15-2004, 10:46 AM

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rabbit · 02-15-2004, 10:57 AM

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powerbubba · 02-15-2004, 11:06 AM

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The thing that gets me is the people wanting to buy 1 -2 pics only as they want to do graphics and the models they use they havent even used on their sites.

I only became aware the other day that this was a common practice. That's pretty messed up. These bad experiences lead people to stop joining adult sites altogether.

$5 submissions · 02-15-2004, 11:06 AM

Paysites? SHITTY? You don't say!!!!

txtbill · 02-15-2004, 01:20 PM

I posted something similar to what I?m about to say earlier.

What is needed now is an open way for surfers to buy porn. What I?m saying is a shitty tour and fancy frontend tied to a large CMS and database is about all that is required to get a surfer to part with their credit card details, yet this is totally killing the user experience. Companies must be more aware of CRM in order to fully understand the end user and therefore make a better profit.

Sites from now on must start to offer a new way of being able to view a selection actually within the site before they purchase.

To date this hasn?t been possible, but as an example something like micro-payments will allow surfers to pay for porn in a pay-as-you-go format.

Ultimately a site that is open to allow surfers to browse all of the content then select and buy what they want will make a better profit than that of the mega site format.

How is this done you may be asking well combining a good CMS system with GeoIP targeting linked to a payment device like SMS Billing will enable this 'open system to work' I have talked with a few paysite owners who like this idea, plus the system is totally anonymous and the whole transaction process takes typically between 10-30 seconds without the need for a lengthy webform. Sites will also no longer suffer from chargebacks as well.

Such a new system would force the hand of the shitty paysites to improve or die.

404 · 02-15-2004, 11:37 PM

the difference bewteen the top-notch paysites like amkingdom, karupspc, ftvgirls, teenflood, etc and the overwhelming majority of the rest can be measured in light-years.

the job for the surfer is finding the gems in the oceans of sewer.
ironically the passord sites are really the only sure way to sift them from the shit.

Harlot Cash · 02-16-2004, 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sarah_webinc
it also comes down to people throwing up niche paysites without having any understanding at all of the niche. So, just through up some pics and fill the rest with 'filler' from their other sites. I can't tell you the last BBW 'mega site' I joined that was even close to 50% BBWs and even if they were chances are most of those women just had big tits rather than being big anywhere else.

So true -

And as Charly says - It's all about throwing shit to see how much sticks -

One day, someone will realise that it is not only cheaper to look after the member you have, it is also better long term for the industry as members now become satisfied with their lot - and will continue to sign up for other sites -

All these large programmes do is piss off the surfer with blind billing - multiple up sells and constant email spam, is ensure the surfer goes back to paper porn pdq.

SykkBoy · 02-16-2004, 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DraX
One thing I forget mentioning:

There was a few paysites promoting penispills, viagra and other pornrelated products.

Could that hurt a surfer more than the other way around.

Probably he went there cause he wanted to see porn not buy pills.

it's called an upsell....if you have a customer who just bought a porn membership, why shouldn't you try to sell him some other items? Why just settle for the membership fee? I pay for a magazine, yet there are still ads inside the magazine...

02-14-2004, 10:08 PM	#1
DraX Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: In wonderland.. Posts: 7,147	Lots of shitty paysites I have had a few days investigation looking into paysites, for my own upcoming projects. But damn how shitty lots of them are. First site was a tranny site. Very disappointing, it turned out to be a MEGA SITE. More content of other niches than the actual one. Very unpersonal and not specially surfer friendly. It was basically cluttered with plugins from top to bottom. I took me awhile to actually come to the real tranny content. I also had the time looking at teen, lesbian, amateur and a hardcore paysite, from different sponsors. They were all the same except for one teen site that was pretty oki. Sure they are megasites, but is it really thats what surfers are looking for. I know its been talked about before, shitty paysites, but it was time to actually take a look behind the scene for myself. I dont think surfers really wanna be one in the crowd maybe some, but there are lots of surfers won with a cool paysite that works exclusively with the spoken niche. Also dealing with the chance for a surfer to be someone special in the crowd, encourage interactivity and loyalty. Any Comments __________________ Deposit Today With BTC - Play With Bitcoins

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bignasty Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: sc Posts: 1,421	A few years back I joined a few of them. I had the same experience, they were all the same on the inside even thought they were different niches. Was hard to find what you were looking for in the content. Using the same content seen at a lot of different sites. The chats sucked, the videos were poor quality. The one good thing about one of the sites I joined was the adult games they had, but it wasn't worth paying the $40 a month for that. They were all at big sponsors too. I've found that the smaller sites are a lot better.

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PMdave Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,517	now imagine what would happen if you were a regular surfer: - you would probably not have read the small text on the joinpage >next visabill you see that they charged you again for that site> you think: mmmmm >next visabill you see that they billed you again > you are pissed and call the cc company to complain and they do a chargeback for you >you are glad you get off well this time but wisely conclude to never join a pornsite again Thank god visa came with the new cb limits, I hope they will get sites like the ones you discribed out of bussiness real soon Last edited by PMdave; 02-14-2004 at 11:08 PM..

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sumphatpimp Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 5,235	yes i agree with all the above. some day you won't be able to sell porn on the net because of these shit business practices. these quick buck artists are only making a market for DVD's and Videotapes. surfers are getting tired of being screwed.

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DraX Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: In wonderland.. Posts: 7,147	I hear ya, there's alot of webmasters that shouldnt be allowed to start one. And i guess thats one of the reasons VISA and other "authorites" sets rules. Though all rules maybe aint that good, but hopefully sorts out some of the bad shit. But there are still much left to do __________________ Deposit Today With BTC - Play With Bitcoins

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txtbill Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bradford - UK Posts: 341	I posted something similar to what I?m about to say earlier. What is needed now is an open way for surfers to buy porn. What I?m saying is a shitty tour and fancy frontend tied to a large CMS and database is about all that is required to get a surfer to part with their credit card details, yet this is totally killing the user experience. Companies must be more aware of CRM in order to fully understand the end user and therefore make a better profit. Sites from now on must start to offer a new way of being able to view a selection actually within the site before they purchase. To date this hasn?t been possible, but as an example something like micro-payments will allow surfers to pay for porn in a pay-as-you-go format. Ultimately a site that is open to allow surfers to browse all of the content then select and buy what they want will make a better profit than that of the mega site format. How is this done you may be asking well combining a good CMS system with GeoIP targeting linked to a payment device like SMS Billing will enable this 'open system to work' I have talked with a few paysite owners who like this idea, plus the system is totally anonymous and the whole transaction process takes typically between 10-30 seconds without the need for a lengthy webform. Sites will also no longer suffer from chargebacks as well. Such a new system would force the hand of the shitty paysites to improve or die. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

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404 Confirmed abUser Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage Posts: 1,154	the difference bewteen the top-notch paysites like amkingdom, karupspc, ftvgirls, teenflood, etc and the overwhelming majority of the rest can be measured in light-years. the job for the surfer is finding the gems in the oceans of sewer. ironically the passord sites are really the only sure way to sift them from the shit. __________________ (b] cheap hmtl programer for hire (/b)