chemo is like removing a leech with a sledge hammer.. pretty sad technology considering all the other things we can do in 2004.

:1orglaugh

And you don't seem to realize that they are.

Why do you think everything is being condensed down to HMOs?

I spent a couple full days investigating it, not a couple minutes.

again I see no proof for your statement that the med. world an pharma are one. Yes, meds are influenced, that may be true, and it's regrettable. But by far not all research is done by the pharmaceutical industry!

I'm not sure what to compare an HMO with in my country

sooner or later some of the big pharma companies will start pushing more natural remedies - just like mcdonalds salad menu. possibly due to demand / competition / threat of mass legal action somewhere in the future or a combination of all and/or other motivations.
:2 cents:

Fair enuuff - it probably (definitely?) wouldn't stand up in a court of law.
But.... when you look at all the circimstantial evidence and the dodgy history of "research" conducted - especially well documented in the area of psychology - most people would agree that doctors are not to be trusted unless they can prove 100% completely that they have no links with drug companies.

There surely are some doctors that are honest and unbiased. But you'd have to wonder why any sane individual should start doing trials on (for example) apple cider vinegar when there's *no money* in it. The doctor would have to pay out of his own pocket, and it's just never gonna happen.
And the apple growers (by the way) make far more $$$ selling the apples rather than the vinegar :glugglug

And do you think that is right?


You probably do.

You probably think that the multi-million dollar processes that are put in place protect people from bad side effects.

Like... I dunno.. maybe the ACV could burn into your skull and give you brain damage that would specifically cause you to believe alternative medicine was the only way to go.

Sound about right?


I understand why the FDA has it's drug approval process.

But what about in the case of unpatentable things that have already been used for nearly 100 years.

I mean we know of plenty of things that cause cancer & the various organizations just take the money from they lobbyist middlemen and look the other way....

Why front like they are trying to protect us on something as silly as apple cider vinegar for dandruff treatment?

Why can't they just make a public statement like they do with the wonderful food pyramid?

Why can't they just say:

They wont do it because it's an economy killer of course.

I'm not sure how much people spend on anti-dandruf products, but I'm sure its a hell of a lot with some big influential companies involved.

You don't win elections by getting your campaign contributors products phased out due to lack of demand. :2 cents:

Cancer is scary, if i got I got it I would make the most of my life. I dont think I could handle it. I would go crazy.

Have you ever SEEN a pharma sales girl?

:girl :eyecrazy :eek2

They hire the hottest and brightest girls (and probably guys, for lady doctors) in the world to pitch the doctors.

I know a pharma girl.

LoL...the marketing involved, it's no joke.

true, there's billions in them there bottles.

Ugh sorry to hear man :(

Good advice on getting 2,3,4,5 opinions when you know somethign is wrong. Doctors are stubborn idiots sometimes.


I have a growth on a rib on my back right now.... doctor says it's my rib, nothing to worry about.

I say it hurts and tingles and I have other neurological symptoms. He says "do you use the computer a lot?" I say "Yeah.. its my job." He nods and says "See?"

See what? See my foot stomping your cryptic fucking doctor head? :mad:


See, that's why I don't like Doctors Bluff :)


Nevermind the fact I've been having immune problems they can't figure out for 3 years (him included).

*ding* next Dr Please.

Yeah I'm about to go speed doctoring session.

Like speed dating, with doctors.

Actually I'm going to make a 2 page timeline and summary of my medical history since nobody seems to care to go over the 30-50 actual pages before making suggestions.

All they want is the $200 for the session and no responsibility.

http://members.tripod.com/~cchilds/handy.jpg


I stopped looking at colloidal silver when I found out it can turn you blue. (la la lalalala...)

But some people swear by it I guess.

yes, thats a l l t h e y w a n t

Of course, because the only thing doctors are interested in is money