A few years ago I had to get a "mass" surgically removed from my neck to biopsy it for cancer.... I had a good 3 weeks waiting for the surgeory to think about what I was going to do. I had a good friend that was an Oncologist that sat me down as a friend and not my Doctor and explained everything to me. I also have a friend that is a Doctor of Oriental Medicine that did the same.....

Luckily it was benign, but if it had been cancer I was resolved to integrate both mainstream and alternative treatments.:2 cents:

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh Yes, I think the volcano idea would work for me too. My grandkids would have something they could really amaze the other kids with.

As far as a cure, I go with http://www.smile.org.au

please don't talk to me as if I'm a moron

How could I? The only tests that would be acknowledged by mainstream would costs millions to fund.

And even then they would be instantly blocked by a followup tests from mainstream medicine organizations that would be testing specifically to find INEFFECTIVENESS rather than being unbiased.

That's how it works & you know it :)


Btw... most 'cancer cures' that you hear of involve effectiveness through regular treament & complete lifestyle/dietary changes as well... just like mainstream.

no that's not how it works. Not everything is a conspiracy theory. When something really good is discovered, it'll be all over us. It's nonsense that companies would try to hide that

Right back at ya.




You're asking me to tell you why I don't believe chemotherapy is safe, or a best-choice treatment for cancer.

As long as there's money in it for them. Otherwise, it won't happen. Example: Hemp.

I wasn't really impressed by your argumentation

hemp?

Perhaps if both you and Shemp dropped the Rx pads, and actually read what I said rather than just replying and saying you disagree, you would see that I have already mentioned a couple things.

And no shemp, not magnets or copper bracelets - that was your version of alternative medicine, not mine.

Do people get opportunistic infections while on, as a result of being chemotherapy and die from them?

And if they do, do you chalk that death up to cancer or chemo?

You don't know what hemp is? It was banned as a result of a campaign by DuPont in the 1930s. Unbanned temporarily during the 2nd world war because of necessity. It's a remarkably useful substance but it threatens quite a few companies out there that have loads of $$$.

So the companies spend a lot of cash keeping it out of the market, Most people have no idea what hemp is, so I can't blame you, really... :)

See... this is the WHOLE ARGUEMENT.

Nobody who believes in mainstream medicinde fucking cares about Alternative treatments.

They aren't open or receptive to even the possibility of such things.

Shemp comes out right away talking about magic tree bark and magnetic bracelets.




These guys asked me like 5 or 6 times to post an alternative treatment.

There is one in the first fucking post this thread.

Hello. Is this thing on?

Ugh. :helpme

are you talking about ESSAIC/Apple Cider Vinegar?

you are really getting mad aren't you? btw reading back your post I noticed you changed 'in your own words' to 'not your-doctor-in-training words'. Did you understand my explaining post?

sites?

This story in the first post of this thread is about the kid who beat cancer taking ESSAIC and 714x.

I've read a lot about ESSIAC.

If nothing else, it has a very interesting past.

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And I'm not talking specfically cancer cures here... this has become more about alternative medicine in general not getting its fair shake.

completely :winkwink:

with you giving no specifics, you allow me to fill in the blanks...
but what about the coffee enema?

wow these are some impressive rethorical questions.

Yes, it's quite likely people die from opportunistic infections. I have no data at hand at this moment, so I can't give you any percentages now.

100 Coffee enemas.

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I use Apple Cider vinegar. After 7 years of spending a FORTUNNE on Nizoral 2%, it's llike..... Why the FUCK didn't my dermatologist just TELL ME?????????????????????????????????????????

It's (apparently) common knowledge that apple cider vinegar (the raw stuff) is the best treatment there is for seborrheic dermatitis.

Not only do I save hundreds of dollars a year, it WORKS! Where did I have to go to find out about it? Yahoo Groups :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

If the market demands, following promotion by quacks, private insurance companies will cover alternative treatments (some do). I just hope my taxes will never be spent on such nonsense.

I've tried coffee enemas. I wouldn't really recommend them because it will freak you out. Imagine this: I was fasting for 7 days (i.e. nothing at all to eat). Then I decided (just for the hell of it) to try a cofee enema. I had had regular enemas and colenemas twice daily for the 7 days and there was *nothing* left in my intestines.

Then.... you take the coffee enema and all hell breaks loose. Literally :Graucho
Truly amazing stuff... But it didn't do anything long term stuff, and I hear it can be bad if done too often.

Yeah I have heard that rinsing with ACV is one of *the best* treatments for dandruff and various dermatitis.

But mounds of anecdotal evidence & room full of people who no longer have problems with dermatitis will not be enough to convince the participants of a dermatology trade show.

It has to go throught he proper multi-million dollar channels or it just doesn't work.

Got it?

:winkwink:

How much cream and sugar do you use?

Well said, and absolutely right

My dermatologist goes to Tuscany every year (paid for by xyz drug company) for "seminars". unfortunately producers of ACV can't afford that kinda expense. Probably just as well.

One thing I have learnt: You have to take responsibility for your own health and do *time consuning* and *intensive* research and try lots of maaad stuff. Even (horror!!) colloidal silver and stuff

Until that most you *almost* had a two sided debate going. Then you show yourself as the fucking idiot you really are. It'd be funny if it wasn't on this particular subject. Do as Bluff suggests and do some research. You have proven yourself to have no real clue about the subject in hand so why keep arguing?

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh
Short black is the way to go :thumbsup

Oh boy.. here we go.

Look Bluff, this has ALREADY happened.

Go read up on Linus Pauling.

Do you want to call Linus Pauling a Quack? :Graucho



TONS of research conducted by the Linus Pauling Institute, even more anecdotal evidence ( = real people, real stories) treating and curing heart disease high dosage Lysine + Vitamin C.

Depending on how you calculate it, "Heart Disease" is a many hundreds of billions of dollar a year industry.

Do you think they would really let huge chunks of industry just disappear to a cheap and readily available treatment of Lysine & Vitatmin C?

Think about that for a minute.

Regardless if you believe it or not, let's pretend it was a 100% cure for 80% of 'heart disease' cases.

Do you think they would give it up those recurring hundreds of BILLIONS without a fight? For the good of man?

you don't seem to realise the pharmaceutical industry and the medical world are not one

That's actually been proven already. They are. The only problem is that they *think* that they aren't.

Here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2946276.stm

get me the proof hehe

"Essiac Tea - A Native Herbal Canker Remedy. Original Ojibwa Medicine Man's Recipe given to Renie Caisse in 1922"

dont know if that's been posted already.

"I just hope my taxes will never be spent on such nonsense"

Damn. That makes me mad.

It makes me mad because I know for a fact that you don't know shit about ESSIAC or any of the other things talked about here.

You didn't look at its history, or composition, or the people who claim they have been helped by it.

All you did was basically say "If they don't teach it in med school - it doesn't exist".




Now go back and think about the hundred billion dollar Linus Pauling question.

Why do you suppose some things done make it to your text books?


Without knowing shit about something, you're not even open to the idea that it might help people.

I edited my post to add the link http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2946276.stm

That's just one article. There are many others. In spite of popular opinion, doctors are just human like the rest of us :(

Alternative. Nature provides everything needed to heal and cure every ailment.

I got Lymphatic cancer when I was 23

There was a growth the size of a ping pong ball in my neck and chest.

I went to 2 Doctors,,and both said I had a virus,,thus the swelling of the glands. They both called it "an upper respitory infection"

After 4 weeks,,,It still did not clear up and went to a 3rd doctor. That Doctor literally freaked out when he saw what was going on and ordered a biopsy that day. The next morning I was told I was already in stage 2 of the disease since it had wraped itself around the base of my brain,,,extending down to my lungs.

I started chemo 4 days later.

The morning after my 1st treatment,,,the tumors had reduced in size by almost 3/4. After seeing the results I had continue with the treatment, despite the pain and vomiting.

So I had to endure 1 year of chemo followed by 6 months of radiation.

My advice:

1. After you get a 2nd opinion,,,get a 3rd,,,4th,,,5th and so on. Doctors can be wrong but they will never admit it,,EVER!

2. Radiation is 10X worse than Chemo IMHO - With chemo you feel like crap for a day,,,but with radiation,,your insides actually get a severe 2nd degree sunburn,,your skin falls off,,and your hair never grows back.

I happen to have checked out the ESSAIC page actually. I found nothing that guides me to a conclusion in their advantage. I suppose things make it to my text books because they have been proven effective (not all, btw).