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usecondoms 02-10-2004 01:57 AM

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Originally posted by MaskedMan


uh huh, so financial aid, peace keeping forces, medical supplies.. none of this means anything at all?

If you don't think it means anything, then you live in a very very sheltered world. You continue to prove just how narrow minded you are.

Immigration. The United States takes in more immigrants than any other country. We should be getting aide from every other country because we provide for those who can't have a good life in the country they are from. We don't get aide though we let these people come on in and eat away our resources because certain countries can't take care of their people. Face facts Canada doesn't hold a candle to the US.

BigFish 02-10-2004 01:57 AM

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Originally posted by MaskedMan


uh huh, so financial aid, peace keeping forces, medical supplies.. none of this means anything at all?

If you don't think it means anything, then you live in a very very sheltered world. You continue to prove just how narrow minded you are.

Hah you and your "sheltered world". You continue to prove how narrow minded you ARE by constantly saying that over and over as your argument.

StuartD 02-10-2004 01:58 AM

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Originally posted by Headless



Keep telling yourself that bullshit while your goverment decides what you can and cannot be told. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Really? So what you're saying is that everything that your media reports to you is 100% completely accurate? That if the majority of the world reports things like... oh... let's say, the worlds view of America... that they'd all be wrong and only your fav news station is right?

StuartD 02-10-2004 01:59 AM

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Originally posted by BigFish


Hah you and your "sheltered world". You continue to prove how narrow minded you ARE by constantly saying that over and over as your argument.

And you continue to prove how narrow minded you are by thinking your country is the only one that matters in the world.

Care to keep going around in circles all night?

BigFish 02-10-2004 01:59 AM

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Originally posted by CDSmith
Yeah, the big fishy's little pie chart fails to reflect the fact that Canada has 33 million people to the USA's walloping 300+ million. lol
Read my post. I said Canada is irrelevant in this world. When did I say anything else? Some people need to learn to read. Again, i challenge you to prove me wrong. Middle East not a failed society? Canada not piggy backing off of the U.S.? Those were my opinions and you said they're wrong, now prove it.

dropped9 02-10-2004 02:00 AM

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Originally posted by MaskedMan


Really? So what you're saying is that everything that your media reports to you is 100% completely accurate? That if the majority of the world reports things like... oh... let's say, the worlds view of America... that they'd all be wrong and only your fav news station is right?


Dont put words in my mouth. There is a difference between the media being accurate and being told what to and what not to publish.

StuartD 02-10-2004 02:01 AM

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Originally posted by usecondoms


Immigration. The United States takes in more immigrants than any other country. We should be getting aide from every other country because we provide for those who can't have a good life in the country they are from. We don't get aide though we let these people come on in and eat away our resources because certain countries can't take care of their people. Face facts Canada doesn't hold a candle to the US.

uh huh.. you make it sound like Canada doesn't have any immigration itself.

You do know how many years in a row that Canada was voted the most desirable country to live in right?

Not that I even know why I'm answering this post, since this doesn't have much to do with Canada's peace keeping efforts in other nations.

BigFish 02-10-2004 02:01 AM

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Originally posted by MaskedMan


And you continue to prove how narrow minded you are by thinking your country is the only one that matters in the world.

Care to keep going around in circles all night?



You should ask yourself that question. Back to the original post: The United States is the "police" of the world whether you like it or not. Canada is the equivalent of Mexico, nothing more, nothing less.

sacX 02-10-2004 02:02 AM

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Originally posted by usecondoms


Notice you left out per capita.

uh those stats ARE per capita

StuartD 02-10-2004 02:04 AM

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Originally posted by Headless
Dont put words in my mouth. There is a difference between the media being accurate and being told what to and what not to publish.
Well then, stop changing the subject... I never once in any of my posts ever in my life said that Canada reports 100% of everything at an accuracy rate of 100% at all times. Did I?

No... so showing me that article really does nothing to disprove my posts stating that if a large majority of the world's media all reports a similar story, that maybe it would have some level of accuracy.

StuartD 02-10-2004 02:05 AM

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Originally posted by BigFish




You should ask yourself that question. Back to the original post: The United States is the "police" of the world whether you like it or not. Canada is the equivalent of Mexico, nothing more, nothing less.

Yeah, and you know nothing about the world. I'm glad we're in all in agreement :glugglug

flashfire 02-10-2004 02:08 AM

You are clearly blinded by the flag in your sig...not looking at things objectively you would support the US in any argument even if bush said the sky was green you would support him...

dropped9 02-10-2004 02:11 AM

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Originally posted by MaskedMan


Well then, stop changing the subject... I never once in any of my posts ever in my life said that Canada reports 100% of everything at an accuracy rate of 100% at all times. Did I?

No... so showing me that article really does nothing to disprove my posts stating that if a large majority of the world's media all reports a similar story, that maybe it would have some level of accuracy.


No subject is being changed. You keep trying to spin this arguement in many different ways. You bash the US and its reasons for doing different things, but yet you come from a country that obviously has some skeletons in its closet.

That was my point. Hypocrisy.

BigFish 02-10-2004 02:14 AM

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Originally posted by flashfire
You are clearly blinded by the flag in your sig...not looking at things objectively you would support the US in any argument even if bush said the sky was green you would support him...
Such a big statement on my ONE argument. There's a lot of things that I don't agree with that Bush does. You're blind and ignorant for concluding that you know me by just reading one post and looking at my sig.

Joe Citizen 02-10-2004 02:18 AM

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Originally posted by BigFish


World Food Program. Biggest program in the world helping out millions of needy worldwide.

http://www.wfp.org/aboutwfp/funding/governments.html

2002 Contributors:

http://www.wfp.org/img/aboutwfp/funding/pie.gif

Canada is among the three lowest at an unbelievable: 2.6%

Hey fuckwit, maybe you should work that out on a per capita basis.

Anything else is bullshit.

bhutocracy 02-10-2004 02:19 AM

I just think it would be funny for kerry to get in just to see all the positions here reverse and have all the right wingers whine and moan like they did during the clinton years and the lefties try and defend the government.

flashfire 02-10-2004 02:20 AM

Sorry its hard to take anyone seriously with a flag in their sig...any country

BigFish 02-10-2004 02:20 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Citizen


Hey fuckwit, maybe you should work that out on a per capita basis.

Anything else is bullshit.

Welcome to the thread :321GFY . Maybe you should read it all before you write dumbass.

BigFish 02-10-2004 02:21 AM

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Originally posted by flashfire
Sorry its hard to take anyone seriously with a flag in their sig...any country
Then don't. Just keep reading and believing that I would believe in green clouds then. :thumbsup

StuartD 02-10-2004 02:24 AM

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Originally posted by Headless
No subject is being changed. You keep trying to spin this arguement in many different ways. You bash the US and its reasons for doing different things, but yet you come from a country that obviously has some skeletons in its closet.

That was my point. Hypocrisy.

Uhmm.. ok. So the US wants to go into Iraq and the majority of the world says it shouldn't. But it does anyway.

What does the majority of the world think should happen with the pig farmer?

Oh, don't get me wrong, yes.... Canada has it's share of problems with it's own media. Believe me, I know.

But the US's reasons for doing things is at question... by the world. The world doesn't question why there's info not shared about murders in the US.. just as the world doesn't question about info in Canadian murders.

So my "bashing" the US's reasons and your post about a murder aren't really comparative.

however, if ever I feel the need to question why the US media isn't sharing details of a serial killer's pig farm, then I'll be sure to admit that you were right.

CDSmith 02-10-2004 02:24 AM

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Originally posted by BigFish
Prove me wrong then. I challenge you. Middle East is not a failed society? Canada does not piggy back off of the United States?
Here's the thing fish boy...... now try to follow along here.... first off, I don't necessarily agree with Masked man's whole anti-bush/anti-U.S. stance, never have for that matter. Anyone who has been here long enough to have participated on past political threads where I've posted would know that, but this may have slipped past you so I'll give you that one.

Anyway..... as far as your Middle East comment goes.... Maybe I do agree with you. What exactly is your whole argument? I don't recall taking issue with you on it in this thread, but whatever.

I do however take issue with your absolutely ignorant, and completely misguided views on my country. Your comments show how completely clueless some Americans are about history, and how utterly ungrateful and unappreciative a few of you can be. Thankfully most are not like you.

Btw before I go on I must interject.... YOU are the one tossing out little ditties and such, thus the onus of proof is on YOU to back up your bullshit. The onus is not on ME to disprove you... I have nothing to prove to you.... Canada's track record speaks for itself. Period. In the areas of diplomacy, foreign aid, peacekeeping, and yes, even in wartime, we have proven ourselves over and over and will continue to do so.

Want an example? For the size of our population, no country on Earth raised an army as large as ours during WWII..... that's right, tiny Canada's forces grew to over 500,000 strong from 1940 through '45. And, anyone in the know about military history will attest to the high level of training and raw killer determination the average Canadian soldier possesses, even today. We may not have billions of dollars worth of high-tech hardware but we know how to fight my friend.


For the record I appreciate the USA for the most part, and have openly supported much of your country's actions on the world front over the years. But remember.... several hundred Canadians died in the WTC alongside all those Americans. I believe Saddam got what he deserved, and I applaud Bush's non-comromising stance on Terrorism and on countries that supoort it. What I won't stand for is some dipshit cocking off like a cumquat about my country when they obviously need to crack a history book and get educated.

Cheers.

StuartD 02-10-2004 02:25 AM

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Originally posted by BigFish


Welcome to the thread :321GFY . Maybe you should read it all before you write dumbass.

why? He was right. And since you refused to even comment on what he said other than to pull a "gfy tough guy" attitude post instead... I'm guessing you agree.

foreverjason 02-10-2004 02:27 AM

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Originally posted by BigFish


Prove me wrong then. I challenge you. Middle East is not a failed society? Canada does not piggy back off of the United States?

Ya prove BigFish wrong. Lets see it CDSmith.

Your telling us America didnt make Japan/Germany into the super powers they are today?

StuartD 02-10-2004 02:31 AM

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Originally posted by CDSmith
Here's the thing fish boy...... now try to follow along here.... first off, I don't necessarily agree with Masked man's whole anti-bush/anti-U.S. stance, never have for that matter. Anyone who has been here long enough to have participated on past political threads where I've posted would know that, but this may have slipped past you so I'll give you that one.
heh... now now, anti-US is a little strong. I, like you, very much like the US and also a good portion of my friends and colleagues are American.

I've been on the boards for a while, and never said anything until this whole Iraq thing happened.

So, I'm not anti-US.... I'm anti-invasion or... liberation, or what ever you want to call it.

Well, even then, as I've said, I'm all for Saddam being out of power, I always just had issues with the way it all went about, the reasons given, hidden, lied about... all that fun stuff.

But I digress... I'm not anti-US. I just have my reservations about Bush being any good for the country.

Joe Citizen 02-10-2004 02:32 AM

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Originally posted by BigFish


Welcome to the thread :321GFY . Maybe you should read it all before you write dumbass.

I read everything you fucktard.

Now why don't you be a good boy and find some stats that are actually relevent on a per capita basis.

Like I said, anything else is bullshit.

Roger 02-10-2004 02:34 AM

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Originally posted by usecondoms
The British paper the telegraph, during the war discovered documents in the rubble of a government building that revealed a visit of an envoy from Sudan, which consisted of al-Qa'eda representavies. This envoy intended to discuss future cooperation between the Iraqi government and Bin Laden's network.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...ixportaltop.htm

You know very well that those documents where proven to be fake yet you insist on mentioning that article from last year. Do you think people are stupid enough to buy it again?

BigFish 02-10-2004 02:41 AM

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Originally posted by CDSmith
Here's the thing fish boy...... now try to follow along here.... first off, I don't necessarily agree with Masked man's whole anti-bush/anti-U.S. stance, never have for that matter. Anyone who has been here long enough to have participated on past political threads where I've posted would know that, but this may have slipped past you so I'll give you that one.

Anyway..... as far as your Middle East comment goes.... Maybe I do agree with you. What exactly is your whole argument? I don't recall taking issue with you on it in this thread, but whatever.

I do however take issue with your absolutely ignorant, and completely misguided views on my country. Your comments show how completely clueless some Americans are about history, and how utterly ungrateful and unappreciative a few of you can be. Thankfully most are not like you.

Btw before I go on I must interject.... YOU are the one tossing out little ditties and such, thus the onus of proof is on YOU to back up your bullshit. The onus is not on ME to disprove you... I have nothing to prove to you.... Canada's track record speaks for itself. Period. In the areas of diplomacy, foreign aid, peacekeeping, and yes, even in wartime, we have proven ourselves over and over and will continue to do so.

Want an example? For the size of our population, no country on Earth raised an army as large as ours during WWII..... that's right, tiny Canada's forces grew to over 500,000 strong from 1940 through '45. And, anyone in the know about military history will attest to the high level of training and raw killer determination the average Canadian soldier possesses, even today. We may not have billions of dollars worth of high-tech hardware but we know how to fight my friend.


For the record I appreciate the USA for the most part, and have openly supported much of your country's actions on the world front over the years. But remember.... several hundred Canadians died in the WTC alongside all those Americans. I believe Saddam got what he deserved, and I applaud Bush's non-comromising stance on Terrorism and on countries that supoort it. What I won't stand for is some dipshit cocking off like a cumquat about my country when they obviously need to crack a history book and get educated.

Cheers.

I have to prove what? You're the one jumping into the conversation and saying that "what I am posting" is utterly wrong. Did I ever question the determination of a "Canadian Soldier"??? I thank them along with the rest of my country for their services in Iraq. My two biggest opinions in this thread are: the Middle East is a failed society and something needs to be done and the USA is the only threat of force in today's world that can do anything about it.

CDSmith 02-10-2004 02:48 AM

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Originally posted by BigFish
I have to prove what? You're the one jumping into the conversation and saying that "what I am posting" is utterly wrong. Did I ever question the determination of a "Canadian Soldier"??? I thank them along with the rest of my country for their services in Iraq. My two biggest opinions in this thread are: the Middle East is a failed society and something needs to be done and the USA is the only threat of force in today's world that can do anything about it.
Then I must have imagined your comments about Canada being "a tick on the ass of the United States", "useless" etc....... my mistake. You're really not a fucknut.

Roger 02-10-2004 02:54 AM

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Originally posted by BigFish
I have to prove what? You're the one jumping into the conversation and saying that "what I am posting" is utterly wrong. Did I ever question the determination of a "Canadian Soldier"??? I thank them along with the rest of my country for their services in Iraq. My two biggest opinions in this thread are: the Middle East is a failed society and something needs to be done and the USA is the only threat of force in today's world that can do anything about it.
The Middle East is a failed society because of the super powers constant meddling. You think the world is gonna collapse all of a sudden if the US doesn't intervene? There are lots of places in the world who keep asking for help and who are doing way worst than Iraq. Yet nothing is being done.

The ME is becoming increasingly a place for Muslims and Muslims only. Maybe you'd like to live under Sharia law but non-Muslim Iraqis can't stand this crap. If the invasion is such a good thing, I wonder why my friends and relatives are getting the hell outta there. How would you feel if you received death treats and lost your job for being Christian?

CDSmith 02-10-2004 02:58 AM

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Originally posted by BigFish
I thank them along with the rest of my country for their services in Iraq.
The only services Canada has provided the US-led coalition regarding this latest Iraq campaign is that eleven of our ships have provided blockade duty in the Persian Gulf. Our presence there protected your warships from such things as mines and acts of terrorism so they could focus on pounding the hell out of resistance in Iraq. Beyond that, our government did not support the action.







For those that are even remotely interested......


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From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Canada
The Canadian Forces or its component regiments have fought in the <a href="/wiki/War_of_1812" class='internal' title ="War of 1812">War of 1812</a>, the <a href="/w/wiki.phtml?title=Fenian_Raids&amp;action=edit" class='new' title ="Fenian Raids">Fenian Raids</a> (1841-1871), <a href="/wiki/North-West_Rebellion" class='internal' title ="North-West Rebellion">North-West Rebellion</a> (1885), the <a href="/wiki/Boer_War" class='internal' title ="Boer War">Boer War</a>, <a href="/wiki/World_War_I" class='internal' title ="World War I">World War I</a>, <a href="/wiki/World_War_II" class='internal' title ="World War II">World War II</a>, the <a href="/wiki/Korean_Conflict" class='internal' title ="Korean Conflict">Korean Conflict</a>, the <a href="/wiki/First_Gulf_War" class='internal' title ="First Gulf War">First Gulf War</a>, and have contributed to UN and other peacekeeping missions and undeclared wars, notably the <a href="/wiki/Suez_Crisis" class='internal' title ="Suez Crisis">Suez Crisis</a>, <a href="/wiki/Cyprus" class='internal' title ="Cyprus">Cyprus</a>, <a href="/wiki/Croatia" class='internal' title ="Croatia">Croatia</a>, <a href="/wiki/Bosnia" class='internal' title ="Bosnia">Bosnia</a>, and the <a href="/wiki/War_on_Terrorism" class='internal' title ="War on Terrorism">War on Terrorism</a> (Afghanistan). Canada is a charter member of <a href="/wiki/NATO" class='internal' title ="NATO">NATO</a> and a member of the North American Air Defence treaty (<a href="/wiki/NORAD" class='internal' title ="NORAD">NORAD</a>).

<p>
<b>At the end of World War II, Canada possessed the third largest navy and fourth largest air force in the world, as well as the largest all-volunteer army ever fielded</b> (<a href="/wiki/Conscription" class='internal' title ="Conscription">conscription</a> was only introduced near the end of the war, and no conscripts actually made it into battle). Defence spending and manpower remained high during the early years of <a href="/wiki/Cold_War" class='internal' title ="Cold War">Cold War</a> but began to decline in the 1960s and 1970s as the perceived threat from the <a href="/wiki/Warsaw_Pact" class='internal' title ="Warsaw Pact">Warsaw Pact</a> diminished. Throughout the 1990s successive budget cuts have forced further reductions in the manpower, number of bases, and fighting ability of the Canadian Armed Forces. Sizable Canadian air and land forces were maintained in West Germany under NATO command from the end of World War II until the early 1990s.

<p>
See also: <a href="/wiki/Canadian_military_history" class='internal' title ="Canadian military history">Canadian military history</a>

goBigtime 02-10-2004 02:59 AM

Touch screen error in Bush's Favor!

Collect 200 extra votes & do not pass go.

CDSmith 02-10-2004 03:06 AM

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Originally posted by foreverjason
Your telling us America didnt make Japan/Germany into the super powers they are today?
Please show me where I even remotely said anything close to that in any of my posts here.



Oh that's right...... you can't. Any more twits want to try me?:Graucho

CDSmith 02-10-2004 03:12 AM

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Originally posted by MaskedMan
heh... now now, anti-US is a little strong. I, like you, very much like the US and also a good portion of my friends and colleagues are American.

I've been on the boards for a while, and never said anything until this whole Iraq thing happened.

So, I'm not anti-US.... I'm anti-invasion or... liberation, or what ever you want to call it.

Well, even then, as I've said, I'm all for Saddam being out of power, I always just had issues with the way it all went about, the reasons given, hidden, lied about... all that fun stuff.

But I digress... I'm not anti-US. I just have my reservations about Bush being any good for the country.

Fair enough. In my defense, I stated "anti-US" as to only points discussed on this thread, I was not referring to your entire outlook.


Back to the actual topic though...... I too have my doubts as to whether Bush can be defeated or not. If I had to put money on it, my money would be on Bush, although I do concede that right now if any Democrat has even the slightest chance it's Kerry. A lot can happen between now and election day though. People talking about it is one thing, but stating for a fact what the outcome "will" be is..... rather premature don't you think?

StuartD 02-10-2004 03:16 AM

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Originally posted by CDSmith
Fair enough. In my defense, I stated "anti-US" as to only points discussed on this thread, I was not referring to your entire outlook.


Back to the actual topic though...... I too have my doubts as to whether Bush can be defeated or not. If I had to put money on it, my money would be on Bush, although I do concede that right now if any Democrat has even the slightest chance it's Kerry. A lot can happen between now and election day though. People talking about it is one thing, but stating for a fact what the outcome "will" be is..... rather premature don't you think?

Yup, absolutely... I personally have found every post made so far as to what people think the outcome to be quite amusing.

People seem so sure that they know who will win. Every time I see someone declare the winner... I have a clear indication of just how much they really know about politics :glugglug

ControlThy 02-10-2004 03:43 AM

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Originally posted by foreverjason


Ya prove BigFish wrong. Lets see it CDSmith.

Your telling us America didnt make Japan/Germany into the super powers they are today?

I would say its the other way around.

Germany was a superpower before the US became one. Actually, many European states have been superpowers before the US even existed.

ControlThy 02-10-2004 03:47 AM

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Originally posted by usecondoms

However, cnn.com foxnews.com sites like that are credible.

A drunk stranger on the street is more credible than those 2.

Lykos 02-10-2004 06:52 AM

That sucks...bush sucks...

synergysex 02-10-2004 07:02 AM

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Originally posted by DarkBob
I was going to vote for Kerry, but I guess I won't bother then...
I love this. Its funny and sad at the same time. Other people say Kerry wont win, now you dont want to vote for him? My god, be an independant thinker!

synergysex 02-10-2004 07:05 AM

Bush will probably be appointed again. He wont be there for another four years because he was elected, it will be because he has been allowed to fix the ballot boxes for the second time. Thank god for term limits. If he tries to make a change to those, it is my sincere hope that we have a budding Lee Harvey Oswald out there that will take matters into his own hands.

NoCarrier 02-10-2004 07:11 AM

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Originally posted by synergysex
If he tries to make a change to those, it is my sincere hope that we have a budding Lee Harvey Oswald out there that will take matters into his own hands.
Right.. Oswald was all alone.. :glugglug

The FBI, CIA, Pentagon all love Bush.. There will never be a new Oswald with Bush. :Graucho


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