Why do webmeisters sign up to an affiliate program and then not send any traffic? - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

Observing · 02-05-2004, 01:52 AM

I think what happens is, they sign up, then they realize your page is actually a mess and a blend of Swedish or whatever and English and then they hear that people just buy fleshligt instead and they give up on you.

GonePhishing · 02-05-2004, 01:54 AM

beemk · 02-05-2004, 01:55 AM

they realized it suck

goBigtime · 02-05-2004, 02:06 AM

sometimes surfers think they might get something free by signing up as a webmaster

Forkbeard · 02-05-2004, 02:37 AM

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Originally posted by mistersoft

would you care to try again? - I tested and it worked for me.

OK, tried again. Fifteen minutes, no email.

To answer your question more generally, there are tons of times I sign up for a program and don't send traffic. Usually you can't tell whether a program has what you need without signing up first. Things I need that are most commonly missing are (1) decent stats or (2) banners that fit my needs or (3) promotional content of the sort that would do well with my traffic. It doesn't mean that a program sucks, just that it's not what I'm looking for.

In the case of Miss Softie, from the rest of the page design it looks *real* unlikely that I'll be finding stats good enough to use if I ever get my password. I want counting of every click (not just sales) and I want to see referrer info on all clicks so I fine tune my traffic flow. Sometimes I'll take a chance and send a few thousand clicks to a program that doesn't have stats like that, but I've been burned too often by noncoverting programs. If a program doesn't have real good stats so I can see what's going on, I won't give it many chances to eat my traffic.

flashfire · 02-05-2004, 02:54 AM

I often signup to programs just to get a better understanding of what their all about...if I dont like what I see I dont send traffic

mistersoft · 02-05-2004, 03:03 AM

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Originally posted by Forkbeard

OK, tried again. Fifteen minutes, no email.

To answer your question more generally, there are tons of times I sign up for a program and don't send traffic. Usually you can't tell whether a program has what you need without signing up first. Things I need that are most commonly missing are (1) decent stats or (2) banners that fit my needs or (3) promotional content of the sort that would do well with my traffic. It doesn't mean that a program sucks, just that it's not what I'm looking for.

In the case of Miss Softie, from the rest of the page design it looks *real* unlikely that I'll be finding stats good enough to use if I ever get my password. I want counting of every click (not just sales) and I want to see referrer info on all clicks so I fine tune my traffic flow. Sometimes I'll take a chance and send a few thousand clicks to a program that doesn't have stats like that, but I've been burned too often by noncoverting programs. If a program doesn't have real good stats so I can see what's going on, I won't give it many chances to eat my traffic.

I think you must have forgotten your username. - If you want me to look into it deeper you could send your username and mailaddress to me at [email protected].

As an affiliate at Miss Softie you can see exactly how many clicks you have generated - unfortunately you do not see where the clicks came from.

Other than that - thanx for feedback. As well as the general observations.

mistersoft · 02-05-2004, 03:04 AM

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Originally posted by beemk
they realized it suck

How specifically?

mistersoft · 02-05-2004, 03:10 AM

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Originally posted by Rorschach

lol

Dude, no offence, but even if I thought you weren't an idiot, I'd never promote your product because your tour's just shit. Your product isn't completely without merit and you obviously believe in it but none of my hard earned traffic is ever going near a tour like that. You need to hire a proper designer and copywriter.

Well, since you are my biggest fan Rorschach I really do not know how to handle the info you provide. I mean I would consider it useful feedback if I didn't have to consider the option that it may be driven by your hatred of me

mistersoft · 02-05-2004, 03:11 AM

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Originally posted by KRL
80 - 20 Rule. Only 20% of those who signup will ever be worth a grain of salt.

If you have 500 affiliates you can bank on 5 to 10 star players at best that will generate the bulk of your income. Twenty to fifty consistent affiliates. and 50 or so who will send you a lite amount of signups.

Toss the other 400 in the circular file in terms of making any signups from them or their traffic. Its just not going to happen.

Thanx!

Gr8 info.

jayeff · 02-05-2004, 05:04 AM

I sign up to programs I see mentioned favorably on boards or spot on sites, so that I have (usually) an email to remind me that the program exists.

But unless - which is rare - something really grabs me about the program, I won't send traffic immediately. More often I'll check through my emails when I need a new program and then take a closer look at those which might fit. When I don't like what I see, I delete the email and never will send anything.

DarkJedi · 02-05-2004, 05:17 AM

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Originally posted by Space Puppy
because your program sucks

This is the correct answer.

Tipsy · 02-05-2004, 05:18 AM

Others have said it. I'll sign up if I come across something and it looks interesting often for future use. There's a LOT of sponsors out there and only so much time/traffic. Some I will never get around to promoting, some will fit a certain space/niche well and get a steady amount of smallish traffic and a few joins and some I will push hard and make good sales with.

As a sponsor goes 'stale' I'll usually drop then for a while (could be dropped anything from a month to a couple of years) and use other stuff. Eventually I'll probably come back to them. Some sponsors I've not started to promote until a couple of years after joining them simply because I haven't found the time or need for them until then.

It's been said though - if you get even 10% sending joins you're doing well (in this area I think even the 80/20 rule is optimistic). As with everything in sales it's a numbers game. Get the numbers in and you make the money if you have half a clue about the rest.

mistersoft · 02-05-2004, 09:17 AM

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Originally posted by DarkJedi

This is the correct answer.

Of course I notice that several have claimed so.

I happen to disagree. I think Miss Softies program offers good value for both customer and affiliate.

More to the point however - since this is a rathter vague and dim answer -

How specifically does the porgram suck?

jimthefiend · 02-05-2004, 09:37 AM

i do that all the time
i start so many projects while drunk at 3 am i cant keep track of them all
i just forget heh

Tipsy · 02-05-2004, 09:56 AM

Now I'm curious - what's the URL of the site? Sigs finally pissed me off too much so I switched them off.

geirlur · 02-05-2004, 11:13 AM

If I see a site that I like myself, then I usually sign up with their affiliate program. But since I always do this I don't have the capacity to promote them all. Don't know if that's the deal with your site though.

m00d · 02-05-2004, 12:08 PM

to qualify for contests

Odie · 02-05-2004, 12:27 PM

he's not completely wrong, it's true I have a lot of webmasters who signed up and haven't sent anything but u never know when they'll start!!

Garou · 02-05-2004, 01:00 PM

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Originally posted by SmutGiant
I have accounts with tons of different sponsors. I see something they have I like, just sign up now and add it to my personal sponsor list in case I need it in the future. I actually almost never have signed up with a sponsor and started promoting right away.

the same case with me

Garou · 02-05-2004, 01:01 PM

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Originally posted by jimthefiend
i do that all the time
i start so many projects while drunk at 3 am i cant keep track of them all
i just forget heh

Forkbeard · 02-05-2004, 01:20 PM

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Originally posted by mistersoft

I think you must have forgotten your username. - If you want me to look into it deeper you could send your username and mailaddress to me at [email protected].

Thanks. However the login failure shows if the username is bad; in my case, the username I always use is good but the password (which should be the one I thought I used) does not work.

I don't think I'll pursue it; my reasoning is that a site that can't get its email scripts working might have just a smidge of difficulty tracking my sales and paying me, also. But thanks for the offer.

ValisMedia · 02-05-2004, 01:25 PM

They sign up.

Make a gallery.

Submit.

Jack off.

Jack off.

Jack off.

Wonder why they are making no money.

And then it's back to Wendy's.

adultvisitors · 02-05-2004, 02:08 PM

They dont like what they see?

mistersoft · 02-05-2004, 02:43 PM

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Originally posted by Forkbeard

Thanks. However the login failure shows if the username is bad; in my case, the username I always use is good but the password (which should be the one I thought I used) does not work.

I don't think I'll pursue it; my reasoning is that a site that can't get its email scripts working might have just a smidge of difficulty tracking my sales and paying me, also. But thanks for the offer.

You are correct that the system shows if one enters bad username.

Frankly I have no idea what is going on. My best guess at the present stage would be that you have entered the wrong mail-address.

I can understand that you aer not interested in pursuing this for your own sake. However I would truly appreciate it if you gave me the opportunity to find out what is wrong. Right now we are in the classical position of having a reported error but not being able to replicate it. (When I try the same function which does not work for you it works fine for me.)

If there is a problem with the email-script - then it is of course of extreme importance for us to have it fixed.

So I really would appreciate it if you sent some information so that your account could be identified. [email protected]

Best regards
mister soft

mistersoft · 02-05-2004, 02:45 PM

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Originally posted by Tipsy
Now I'm curious - what's the URL of the site? Sigs finally pissed me off too much so I switched them off.

Sigs are half the entertainment! That is were people put their accumulated life wisdom in concentrated form!

If you do not wish to see them anyway the URL is

http://www.disposablepussy.com

mistersoft · 02-05-2004, 02:49 PM

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Originally posted by Heather Hamptons
Your not alone. Same thing happens to me to. I have a variety of content, static banner, animated banner, (all different sizes) I give awsome cash bonuses and prizes too.

I have TONS of affiliates but something like 1/3 of them actually promote me.

At least I can find comfort in the knowledge that I am in pleasant company

mistersoft · 02-05-2004, 02:51 PM

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Originally posted by jimthefiend
i do that all the time
i start so many projects while drunk at 3 am i cant keep track of them all
i just forget heh

lol

btdt (been there done that)

Forkbeard · 02-05-2004, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mistersoft

Frankly I have no idea what is going on. My best guess at the present stage would be that you have entered the wrong mail-address.

I can understand that you aer not interested in pursuing this for your own sake. However I would truly appreciate it if you gave me the opportunity to find out what is wrong. Right now we are in the classical position of having a reported error but not being able to replicate it. (When I try the same function which does not work for you it works fine for me.)

If there is a problem with the email-script - then it is of course of extreme importance for us to have it fixed.

So I really would appreciate it if you sent some information so that your account could be identified. [email protected]

That's fair enough - I'll email you all the details tonight when I get to the machine that has my info on it. I did get the generic "welcome to the program" email so I'm pretty sure I typed my email in right.

This might have nothing to do with your program at all, lots of folks have been reporting odd holes in their email lately with the recent virus storm and all the filters etc. I think some email may be vanishing into the aether at the backbone level.

At any rate, I want everyone here to understand I'm not down on your program, I only started posting the troubles I had in response to your very direct questions.

Kamilla36D · 02-05-2004, 04:29 PM

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Originally posted by Tipsy
It's been said though - if you get even 10% sending joins you're doing well (in this area I think even the 80/20 rule is optimistic). As with everything in sales it's a numbers game. Get the numbers in and you make the money if you have half a clue about the rest.

That seems to be true for me - but only because I can't approve all affiliate applications due to their sites are not complient (not in english etc). Seems like alot of people simply don't read before signing up

natkejs · 02-05-2004, 04:37 PM

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Originally posted by TiffanyPowers

Ya that was very nice. Here's my two cents for originality.

I'm just starting out and I've joined a few programs. There are a few things come to mind.

There are so many programs and very little differentiation between them, it is easy to forget about a particular sponsor. I'd suggest pushing your webmasters. Being a part of your affiliate program is a priviledge not a right. So if they are not actively doing something then kick them out. Now if you sit back and have some sort of automated script checking logs and kicking people, you're not going to capitalize on this concept. Email the webmasters that are underperforming. Perhaps they have forgotten, an email from you will remind them that they have joined. Perhaps they have a problem with your system (broken links, don't understand something, etc) and an email from you serves as an invitation to tell you what the problem is. It's so much easier to hit reply to than it is to search out an email address on banner and porn laden web pages.

Then there is the issue of experience. Perhaps they have joined but are not in a position to send traffic because they have none. Sure they make galleries or whatever else, but, how are they getting that out to the surfer? If you as the program admin take an interest in making your webmasters more productive, they will appreciate the effort and will support your program over others simply because you might review their work! and if they start to make money, from a sense of obligation/appreciation.

You have unique content so your program wouldn't get lost in the wash, but, how actively do you engage these underperforming webmasters? Do webmasters have a hard time coming up with ways to promote your product? My suggestion, don't ask this question here. Ask your webmasters.

Cheers

Really good advises!

natkejs · 02-05-2004, 04:46 PM

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Originally posted by mistersoft

Of course I notice that several have claimed so.

I happen to disagree. I think Miss Softies program offers good value for both customer and affiliate.

More to the point however - since this is a rathter vague and dim answer -

How specifically does the porgram suck?

Dude parts of your pages are in Swedish, you have images on there that I doubt you have license for (links).

And when I go to your shop er whatever it's in German or something?

That's not very good for the majority of the surfers.

Kamilla36D · 02-05-2004, 05:04 PM

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Originally posted by natkejs

Dude parts of your pages are in Swedish, you have images on there that I doubt you have license for (links).

And when I go to your shop er whatever it's in German or something?

That's not very good for the majority of the surfers.

I agree - much better to have a english and a swedish tour and let the surfer choose on the index page wich language he/she prefers.

bopha · 02-05-2004, 05:09 PM

The email confirmation is a real problem. Depending on what niche I'm working of at that time, I may need several new programs right now. I like being able to sign up, get content and work. 3 days later getting the confirmation email might mean I might not get back to them for a long time.

I like the programs that are easy. Bells and whistles and high tech aren't as critical as putting all the tools out there. imho

some good insight here.

Fletch XXX · 02-05-2004, 05:10 PM

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Originally posted by Mojo Rizin
well I have seen a few times where a sponsor will talk about "exclusive" webmasters only content, promo materials, blah blah blah, only to get inside and see 3 pictures and one ratty old banner.

isnt this the truth.

6 sets of content and 19 cookie cutter sites.

woopie, lets all get rich!

stevent37 · 02-06-2004, 01:47 AM

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Originally posted by mistersoft

I would not say no thanx to that.

However it was not the intention behind my question.

I suppose you will not believe me - but that is outside my control.

Dont Take it the wrong way man, I wasnt trying to be insulting. I didnt say that was why you made the thread. I was just making an observation.

FlyingIguana · 02-06-2004, 02:10 AM

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Originally posted by Ben-MensNiche

If that were the case, why bother sign up?

they figure it out after they sign up when they get inside the webmasters area...

or they sign up and send an email/icq and don't get a response.

02-05-2004, 01:52 AM	#51
Observing Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 809	I think what happens is, they sign up, then they realize your page is actually a mess and a blend of Swedish or whatever and English and then they hear that people just buy fleshligt instead and they give up on you. __________________ ICQ: 278-457-533

02-05-2004, 01:54 AM	#52
GonePhishing Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Blah Posts: 2,474	50 __________________ If Biff Fucks My Mom... I Might Never Be Born...

02-05-2004, 01:55 AM	#53
beemk CLICK HERE Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 20,829	they realized it suck __________________ I host with Vacares

02-05-2004, 05:18 AM	#63
Tipsy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: See sig Posts: 6,989	Others have said it. I'll sign up if I come across something and it looks interesting often for future use. There's a LOT of sponsors out there and only so much time/traffic. Some I will never get around to promoting, some will fit a certain space/niche well and get a steady amount of smallish traffic and a few joins and some I will push hard and make good sales with. As a sponsor goes 'stale' I'll usually drop then for a while (could be dropped anything from a month to a couple of years) and use other stuff. Eventually I'll probably come back to them. Some sponsors I've not started to promote until a couple of years after joining them simply because I haven't found the time or need for them until then. It's been said though - if you get even 10% sending joins you're doing well (in this area I think even the 80/20 rule is optimistic). As with everything in sales it's a numbers game. Get the numbers in and you make the money if you have half a clue about the rest. __________________ Ignorance is never bliss.

02-05-2004, 09:56 AM	#66
Tipsy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: See sig Posts: 6,989	Now I'm curious - what's the URL of the site? Sigs finally pissed me off too much so I switched them off. __________________ Ignorance is never bliss.

02-05-2004, 02:06 AM	#54
goBigtime Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 7,761	sometimes surfers think they might get something free by signing up as a webmaster

02-05-2004, 02:54 AM	#56
flashfire ICQ 1 6 7 8 5 3 4 9 2 Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 13,098	I often signup to programs just to get a better understanding of what their all about...if I dont like what I see I dont send traffic

02-05-2004, 05:04 AM	#61
jayeff Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,944	I sign up to programs I see mentioned favorably on boards or spot on sites, so that I have (usually) an email to remind me that the program exists. But unless - which is rare - something really grabs me about the program, I won't send traffic immediately. More often I'll check through my emails when I need a new program and then take a closer look at those which might fit. When I don't like what I see, I delete the email and never will send anything.

02-05-2004, 09:37 AM	#65
jimthefiend So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: icq: 121189 Posts: 18,889	i do that all the time i start so many projects while drunk at 3 am i cant keep track of them all i just forget heh

02-05-2004, 11:13 AM	#67
geirlur Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Æøå Posts: 2,013	If I see a site that I like myself, then I usually sign up with their affiliate program. But since I always do this I don't have the capacity to promote them all. Don't know if that's the deal with your site though.

02-05-2004, 12:08 PM	#68
m00d So Fucking Banned Join Date: May 2002 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 3,129	to qualify for contests

02-05-2004, 12:27 PM	#69
Odie Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The WATER BABY! Posts: 7,040	he's not completely wrong, it's true I have a lot of webmasters who signed up and haven't sent anything but u never know when they'll start!! __________________ Odie [email protected] Are you Mobile???? MMACanada ICQ # 166208354 See Who I Am At AdultWhosWho.com!

02-05-2004, 01:25 PM	#73
ValisMedia Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 28	They sign up. Make a gallery. Submit. Jack off. Jack off. Jack off. Wonder why they are making no money. And then it's back to Wendy's.

02-05-2004, 02:08 PM	#74
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02-05-2004, 05:09 PM	#84
bopha Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1,882	The email confirmation is a real problem. Depending on what niche I'm working of at that time, I may need several new programs right now. I like being able to sign up, get content and work. 3 days later getting the confirmation email might mean I might not get back to them for a long time. I like the programs that are easy. Bells and whistles and high tech aren't as critical as putting all the tools out there. imho some good insight here.