Outsourcings first victim: Microsoft - GoFuckYourself.com

Greg B · 02-01-2004, 12:44 AM

Now, how many times have I posted that outsourcing is okay as long as the outsourcee is responsible for the goods and services they render to prevent those goods, employees and services from being used by the foreign powers outsourced to to commit crimes, subjugate people and do other downright rotten stuff???? In this case however, it looks more like Microsoft is the victim! Check out the 'UN' reference.

No sooner said than done, check out the first victim. None other than Microsoft.
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http://observer.guardian.co.uk/busin...136045,00.html

Microsoft in human rights row

Gates's firm supplied technology used to trap Chinese dissidents, says Amnesty

Nick Mathiason
Sunday February 1, 2004
The Observer

Technology sold by Microsoft to the Chinese government has been used by Beijing to censor the internet, and resulted in the jailing of its political opponents.

An Amnesty International report has cited Microsoft among a clutch of leading computer firms heavily criticised for helping to fuel 'a dramatic rise in the number of people detained or sentenced for internet-related offences'.

The human rights group has slated Bill Gates's company for an 'inadequate response' to escalating abuses in China. 'We don't believe this is appropriate or responsible,' said Mark Allison, an Amnesty International researcher who wrote the report. '[Microsoft] should be more concerned about human rights abuses and should be using its influence to lift restrictions on freedom of expression and get people out of prison. It is worrying that they don't seem to have raised these issues.'

Amnesty believes Microsoft is in violation of a new United Nations Human Rights code for multinationals which says businesses should 'seek to ensure that the goods and services they provide will not be used to abuse human rights'.

China is the world's most aggressive censor of the internet. Websites are banned for using words such as 'Taiwan', 'Tibet', 'democracy', 'dissident' and 'human rights'. Amnesty has recorded dozens of cases of political opponents jailed for circulating material offensive to the Chinese government.

Microsoft told The Observer: 'We are focused on delivering the best technology to people throughout the world. However, how that technology is used is with the individual and ultimately not in the company's control.'

Since China was admitted to the World Trade Organisation two years ago a succession of big US technology firms have been supplying the government. Internet use in China is close to 80 million, though this is less than 10 per cent of the adult population.

Nortel Networks said in September 2003 it plans to invest $200 million in the next three years to strengthen its research and development capabilities in China.

Cisco Systems, which has also been named in the Amnesty report, has in the past denied that it tailors products for the Chinese market and has said: 'If the government of China wants to monitor the internet, that's their business. We are politically neutral.' But Allison said: 'In terms of the internet the Chinese government is arresting people who are doing nothing more than expressing themselves.

It was confirmed last week that Gates is to receive an honorary knighthood. The firm is embroiled in tough negotiations over supply of software to the NHS.

Rorschach · 02-01-2004, 12:47 AM

Considering all of M$'s trusted computing bullshit, I very much doubt that they care about a few abuses of human rights.

BRISK · 02-01-2004, 01:11 AM

This has nothing to do with outsourcing.

Rorschach · 02-01-2004, 01:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BRISK
This has nothing to do with outsourcing.

that too

harvey · 02-01-2004, 01:57 AM

is it me or this is not even remotely related to outsoursing?
GregB, I think your outsourcing paranoia is getting you blind. Despite this specific case doesn't have anything (and I mean ANYTHING, big capitals) with outsourcing, then I understand why you and some other people is concerned with outsourcing. Then, you can do much against it other than find the way to stay in this or move to another work area, it's called capitalism.

Greg B · 02-01-2004, 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by harvey
is it me or this is not even remotely related to outsoursing?
GregB, I think your outsourcing paranoia is getting you blind. Despite this specific case doesn't have anything (and I mean ANYTHING, big capitals) with outsourcing, then I understand why you and some other people is concerned with outsourcing. Then, you can do much against it other than find the way to stay in this or move to another work area, it's called capitalism.

Yes indeed this story has ALOT to do with outsourcing. What lots of people DON'T know is that there are groups like the UN that impose their laws and restrictions and guidelines for foreign business actions. The US also has it's rules and regulations. Yet they're a double edged sword as you can see with what happened with Microsoft.

Now the big question is how enforceable are these guidelines/laws? They're 'blanket' rules that seem to apply to 'some' not 'all'.

In this case it's to the disadvantage of Microsoft because if you look closely they're getting hit hard for the actions of the Chinese govt. So why isn't the UN just as hard if not harder on the Chinese and the U.S. as they are on Microsoft? Because they figure they can get some money outta Microsoft that's why.

BRISK · 02-01-2004, 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Greg B
Yes indeed this story has ALOT to do with outsourcing.

No, it doesn't. I suggest you do some research into what outsourcing is because you seem to be confused.

jimboc · 02-01-2004, 07:39 AM

When is m$'s website going down??? I heard that trojan is bringing the site down on Tuesday? is that right?

KraZ · 02-01-2004, 08:09 AM

Man, you need to clear what you mean by outsourcing.

Last time I checked, Microsoft has an OUTSOURCING center in India. Did the UN mention this? If not, it's not about outsourcing.

Trax · 02-01-2004, 08:11 AM

outsourcing
this text?

go back to school
soory

lyno · 02-01-2004, 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jimboc
When is m$'s website going down??? I heard that trojan is bringing the site down on Tuesday? is that right?

MyDoom targets SCO (today, 1. Feb). MyDoom.B who intends to take down M$ has not spread enough to do damage.

NBDesign · 02-01-2004, 09:11 AM

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Originally posted by Greg B

Now the big question is how enforceable are these guidelines/laws? They're 'blanket' rules that seem to apply to 'some' not 'all'.

UN Laws?.... Enforceable? Not at all... just ask georege w.... look how he handled the UN.... The UN is weak and has no athority what so ever.... Again... just look at george w.

02-01-2004, 12:44 AM	#1
Greg B So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: EARTH (for the time being) Posts: 7,014	Outsourcings first victim: Microsoft Now, how many times have I posted that outsourcing is okay as long as the outsourcee is responsible for the goods and services they render to prevent those goods, employees and services from being used by the foreign powers outsourced to to commit crimes, subjugate people and do other downright rotten stuff???? In this case however, it looks more like Microsoft is the victim! Check out the 'UN' reference. No sooner said than done, check out the first victim. None other than Microsoft. ------- http://observer.guardian.co.uk/busin...136045,00.html Microsoft in human rights row Gates's firm supplied technology used to trap Chinese dissidents, says Amnesty Nick Mathiason Sunday February 1, 2004 The Observer Technology sold by Microsoft to the Chinese government has been used by Beijing to censor the internet, and resulted in the jailing of its political opponents. An Amnesty International report has cited Microsoft among a clutch of leading computer firms heavily criticised for helping to fuel 'a dramatic rise in the number of people detained or sentenced for internet-related offences'. The human rights group has slated Bill Gates's company for an 'inadequate response' to escalating abuses in China. 'We don't believe this is appropriate or responsible,' said Mark Allison, an Amnesty International researcher who wrote the report. '[Microsoft] should be more concerned about human rights abuses and should be using its influence to lift restrictions on freedom of expression and get people out of prison. It is worrying that they don't seem to have raised these issues.' Amnesty believes Microsoft is in violation of a new United Nations Human Rights code for multinationals which says businesses should 'seek to ensure that the goods and services they provide will not be used to abuse human rights'. China is the world's most aggressive censor of the internet. Websites are banned for using words such as 'Taiwan', 'Tibet', 'democracy', 'dissident' and 'human rights'. Amnesty has recorded dozens of cases of political opponents jailed for circulating material offensive to the Chinese government. Microsoft told The Observer: 'We are focused on delivering the best technology to people throughout the world. However, how that technology is used is with the individual and ultimately not in the company's control.' Since China was admitted to the World Trade Organisation two years ago a succession of big US technology firms have been supplying the government. Internet use in China is close to 80 million, though this is less than 10 per cent of the adult population. Nortel Networks said in September 2003 it plans to invest $200 million in the next three years to strengthen its research and development capabilities in China. Cisco Systems, which has also been named in the Amnesty report, has in the past denied that it tailors products for the Chinese market and has said: 'If the government of China wants to monitor the internet, that's their business. We are politically neutral.' But Allison said: 'In terms of the internet the Chinese government is arresting people who are doing nothing more than expressing themselves. It was confirmed last week that Gates is to receive an honorary knighthood. The firm is embroiled in tough negotiations over supply of software to the NHS.

02-01-2004, 01:11 AM	#3
BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	This has nothing to do with outsourcing. __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

02-01-2004, 01:57 AM	#5
harvey Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: 127.0.0.1 Posts: 9,266	is it me or this is not even remotely related to outsoursing? GregB, I think your outsourcing paranoia is getting you blind. Despite this specific case doesn't have anything (and I mean ANYTHING, big capitals) with outsourcing, then I understand why you and some other people is concerned with outsourcing. Then, you can do much against it other than find the way to stay in this or move to another work area, it's called capitalism. __________________ This post is endorsed by CIA, KGB, MI6, the Mafia, Illuminati, Kim Jong Il, Worldwide Ninjas Association, Klingon Empire and lolcats. Don't mess around with it, just accept it and embrace the truth Last edited by harvey; 02-01-2004 at 02:02 AM..

02-01-2004, 07:39 AM	#8
jimboc Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Internet of course Posts: 1,614	When is m$'s website going down??? I heard that trojan is bringing the site down on Tuesday? is that right? __________________

02-01-2004, 08:09 AM	#9
KraZ Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: ICQ:: 18822023 Posts: 2,636	Man, you need to clear what you mean by outsourcing. Last time I checked, Microsoft has an OUTSOURCING center in India. Did the UN mention this? If not, it's not about outsourcing. __________________ Selling MedicalPorn,com and a dozen other gyno & doctor domains here: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=871984

02-01-2004, 12:47 AM	#2
Rorschach So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 5,579	Considering all of M$'s trusted computing bullshit, I very much doubt that they care about a few abuses of human rights.

02-01-2004, 08:11 AM	#10
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	outsourcing this text? go back to school soory