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  • Greg B
    So Fucking Banned
    • Jul 2001
    • 7014

    #1

    Outsourcings first victim: Microsoft

    Now, how many times have I posted that outsourcing is okay as long as the outsourcee is responsible for the goods and services they render to prevent those goods, employees and services from being used by the foreign powers outsourced to to commit crimes, subjugate people and do other downright rotten stuff???? In this case however, it looks more like Microsoft is the victim! Check out the 'UN' reference.

    No sooner said than done, check out the first victim. None other than Microsoft.
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    http://observer.guardian.co.uk/busin...136045,00.html

    Microsoft in human rights row

    Gates's firm supplied technology used to trap Chinese dissidents, says Amnesty

    Nick Mathiason
    Sunday February 1, 2004
    The Observer

    Technology sold by Microsoft to the Chinese government has been used by Beijing to censor the internet, and resulted in the jailing of its political opponents.



    An Amnesty International report has cited Microsoft among a clutch of leading computer firms heavily criticised for helping to fuel 'a dramatic rise in the number of people detained or sentenced for internet-related offences'.

    The human rights group has slated Bill Gates's company for an 'inadequate response' to escalating abuses in China. 'We don't believe this is appropriate or responsible,' said Mark Allison, an Amnesty International researcher who wrote the report. '[Microsoft] should be more concerned about human rights abuses and should be using its influence to lift restrictions on freedom of expression and get people out of prison. It is worrying that they don't seem to have raised these issues.'

    Amnesty believes Microsoft is in violation of a new United Nations Human Rights code for multinationals which says businesses should 'seek to ensure that the goods and services they provide will not be used to abuse human rights'.

    China is the world's most aggressive censor of the internet. Websites are banned for using words such as 'Taiwan', 'Tibet', 'democracy', 'dissident' and 'human rights'. Amnesty has recorded dozens of cases of political opponents jailed for circulating material offensive to the Chinese government.

    Microsoft told The Observer: 'We are focused on delivering the best technology to people throughout the world. However, how that technology is used is with the individual and ultimately not in the company's control.'

    Since China was admitted to the World Trade Organisation two years ago a succession of big US technology firms have been supplying the government. Internet use in China is close to 80 million, though this is less than 10 per cent of the adult population.

    Nortel Networks said in September 2003 it plans to invest $200 million in the next three years to strengthen its research and development capabilities in China.

    Cisco Systems, which has also been named in the Amnesty report, has in the past denied that it tailors products for the Chinese market and has said: 'If the government of China wants to monitor the internet, that's their business. We are politically neutral.' But Allison said: 'In terms of the internet the Chinese government is arresting people who are doing nothing more than expressing themselves.

    It was confirmed last week that Gates is to receive an honorary knighthood. The firm is embroiled in tough negotiations over supply of software to the NHS.
  • Rorschach
    So Fucking Banned
    • Aug 2002
    • 5579

    #2
    Considering all of M$'s trusted computing bullshit, I very much doubt that they care about a few abuses of human rights.

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    • BRISK
      Too lazy to set a custom title
      • Feb 2003
      • 12240

      #3
      This has nothing to do with outsourcing.
      I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do,
      I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

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      • Rorschach
        So Fucking Banned
        • Aug 2002
        • 5579

        #4
        Originally posted by BRISK
        This has nothing to do with outsourcing.
        that too

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        • harvey
          Confirmed User
          • Jul 2001
          • 9266

          #5
          is it me or this is not even remotely related to outsoursing?
          GregB, I think your outsourcing paranoia is getting you blind. Despite this specific case doesn't have anything (and I mean ANYTHING, big capitals) with outsourcing, then I understand why you and some other people is concerned with outsourcing. Then, you can do much against it other than find the way to stay in this or move to another work area, it's called capitalism.
          Last edited by harvey; 02-01-2004, 12:02 AM.
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          • Greg B
            So Fucking Banned
            • Jul 2001
            • 7014

            #6
            Originally posted by harvey
            is it me or this is not even remotely related to outsoursing?
            GregB, I think your outsourcing paranoia is getting you blind. Despite this specific case doesn't have anything (and I mean ANYTHING, big capitals) with outsourcing, then I understand why you and some other people is concerned with outsourcing. Then, you can do much against it other than find the way to stay in this or move to another work area, it's called capitalism.
            Yes indeed this story has ALOT to do with outsourcing. What lots of people DON'T know is that there are groups like the UN that impose their laws and restrictions and guidelines for foreign business actions. The US also has it's rules and regulations. Yet they're a double edged sword as you can see with what happened with Microsoft.

            Now the big question is how enforceable are these guidelines/laws? They're 'blanket' rules that seem to apply to 'some' not 'all'.

            In this case it's to the disadvantage of Microsoft because if you look closely they're getting hit hard for the actions of the Chinese govt. So why isn't the UN just as hard if not harder on the Chinese and the U.S. as they are on Microsoft? Because they figure they can get some money outta Microsoft that's why.

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            • BRISK
              Too lazy to set a custom title
              • Feb 2003
              • 12240

              #7
              Originally posted by Greg B
              Yes indeed this story has ALOT to do with outsourcing.
              No, it doesn't. I suggest you do some research into what outsourcing is because you seem to be confused.
              I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do,
              I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

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              • jimboc
                Confirmed User
                • Jun 2002
                • 1614

                #8
                When is m$'s website going down??? I heard that trojan is bringing the site down on Tuesday? is that right?

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                • KraZ
                  Confirmed User
                  • Oct 2003
                  • 2636

                  #9
                  Man, you need to clear what you mean by outsourcing.

                  Last time I checked, Microsoft has an OUTSOURCING center in India. Did the UN mention this? If not, it's not about outsourcing.
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                  • Trax
                    [----------------------]
                    • Aug 2001
                    • 14486

                    #10
                    outsourcing
                    this text?

                    go back to school
                    soory

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                    • lyno
                      Confirmed User
                      • May 2003
                      • 474

                      #11
                      Originally posted by jimboc
                      When is m$'s website going down??? I heard that trojan is bringing the site down on Tuesday? is that right?
                      MyDoom targets SCO (today, 1. Feb). MyDoom.B who intends to take down M$ has not spread enough to do damage.

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                      • NBDesign
                        Confirmed User
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 5814

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Greg B



                        Now the big question is how enforceable are these guidelines/laws? They're 'blanket' rules that seem to apply to 'some' not 'all'.

                        UN Laws?.... Enforceable? Not at all... just ask georege w.... look how he handled the UN.... The UN is weak and has no athority what so ever.... Again... just look at george w.

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